There's a science denying lawyer and ex-politician from New Zealand called Barry Brill who's written a few articles for Anthony Watts recently. (I'm assuming that's who he is.) In his latest article at WUWT (archived here), Barry attempts to box science deniers and others into different categories. I'm only going to make a comment on what I find odd about his categorisation. First here is the table he prepared - click to enlarge it.
Here are some of the things I found decidedly odd. Maybe I'm not understanding what he's done.
CO2 and Global Cooling?
Barry's top three categories are for people who think that the global surface temperature is going to drop by 0.6 to 0.9 degrees Celsius with a doubling of CO2. Even his "skeptics" and Lukewarmers. That's okay for "skeptics". Many of them say we're heading for an ice age. But Lukewarmers?
Fake sceptics opt for the most stringent climate policy? Surely not.
More odd still is that his table lists all the science deniers in the top part of the table as expecting very strong mitigation to be implemented. He has them all listed with RCP 2.6, which assumes a peak greenhouse concentration mid-century followed by a decline right through to negative CO2 by the end of the century, (presumably by geoengineering rather than tree planting). It requires such strong mitigation action that a lot of people think it's no longer possible to achieve it.
The reason I find this odd is because I've yet to come across any fake sceptic that advocates mitigation of any kind, let alone the sort of steps (and stringent climate policies) that would be needed to achieve the 2.6 pathway. Barry's table itself is inconsistent in that regard. He lists these same groupings as not regarding climate change as dangerous. Why would people who don't view climate change as dangerous be embracing the most extreme pathway of all? And if they do, when are they going to stop urging everyone to burn more coal and oil?
Barry's labels are a bit odd, too. There are a lot of people who could be regarded as activists who accept the mainstream science. You don't have to think that ECS will be higher than 4 degrees to actively promote a shift to clean technology. On the other hand, there are many people who think the IPCC report was very conservative, so maybe that's what Barry is getting at.
Description of RCPs?
57 Varieties of Deniers in the WUWT comments
October 8, 2013 at 7:28 am
Katherine says: October 8, 2013 at 5:15 amSame here. Evidence suggests the whole thing is overblown beyond reason. Tell a big enough lie etc….
I think any anthropogenic warming isn’t global and the warming effect of CO2 is negligible to the point that its signal is swamped by noise, so where does that put me?
October 8, 2013 at 7:15 am
You also left off “The Ice Age is Coming!!!” group.
Steve in SC says:
October 8, 2013 at 5:01 am
You forgot a category.
That would be me over here in the corner.
October 8, 2013 at 4:32 am
There doesn’t seem to be any designation for the group (to which I believe that Willis and I belong) which holds that the radiative response to CO2 at the molecular level is as stated by standard physics, but that this causes no impact to the atmosphere because:
a) A good proportion of CO2 generated at ground level is immediately absorbed by nearby plant life
b) The major thermostatic systems in the atmosphere completely overwhelm any minor extra heat source, to the extent that it may not be measurable at all.
October 8, 2013 at 7:01 am
As I’m sure others have mentioned, there doesn’t seem to be a category for what Willis calls ‘climate heretics’. Since we believe that the system is inherently stable even in the face of fairly large inputs, thanks to internal stabilising mechanisms, can I propose ‘Weeble-ists’? As everyone knows, they Weeble and they wobble, but they don’t fall down – just like the climate may be perturbed by human activities, but will rapidly return to equilibrium.
Samuel C Cogar says:
October 8, 2013 at 6:23 am
Barry Brill, in the next draft of your “tidy taxonomy” you might consider a grouping for the “deniers” …. and an additional category denoting the IGW (Interglacial Global Warming).
I am a firm believer in/of the IGW, ….. but a vocal denier of the AGW.
Gareth Phillips may not have strayed far from the truth when he says:
October 8, 2013 at 5:05 am
If you really want an accurate understanding of the range of opinions on climate change in a given country, you just take the population and divide by 1. This will then give the full range of opinion. Then again if you want to stick your head in the sand you divide by 2, believers and non believers and claim 99.999% accuracy.
October 8, 2013 at 6:24 am
Aren’t there some who believe that while atmospheric CO2 may effect the atmospheric temperature, we are close to a “saturation point” of atmospheric CO2 and further doublings will not have any noticeable/measurable warming effect?
I also agree with some others who point out that the word “pause” implies continuation. Better to call it what it is – a halt in warming. It can only be characterized as a “pause” if warming resumes.
October 8, 2013 at 5:33 am
To name the IPCC as “mainstream” is a mistake. This is the “political agenda group” — as we have just so vividly seen in the writing of the last IPCC summary. The summary is everything — the body of the report means nothing — to the leftest politicians. The IPCC was set up to support an already active political agenda — not give an unbiased opinion. If it deviate from that support the leftest politicians “correct it”.
Now isn’t that really the truth? So get rid of the term “mainstream”. It seems to almost “deliberately” mislead about what the IPCC is really all about. “Political agenda group” or “leftest agenda group” are vividly descriptive of the IPCC’s extant purpose.
Eugene WR Gallun
October 8, 2013 at 6:59 am
Michael Moon says:What people believe is not interesting. What can be proven or disproven, that is interesting.
What people believe determines whether we get carbon taxed out of existence. It matters.
October 8, 2013 at 6:38 am
Where does “Human activity may not even be responsible for most of the increase in CO2 levels” fit in?
Eustace Cranch says:
October 8, 2013 at 6:37 am
Here’s where I stand: If I turn on a 100W lamp in my house, it will measurably increase the air temperature. But that lamp is not why my house gets hot in mid-July. Carbon dioxide is that 100W lamp.
Bruce Cobb says:
October 8, 2013 at 6:37 am
Scientifically speaking, AGW is still just conjecture. The “human fingerprint” to warming, though probably there somewhere, is just too small. Consequently, those who loudly proclaim that AGW most certainly does exist, yet can not show it, are simply talking through their hats.
Richard Wakefield wasn't the only one asking for a poll. What would be the questions, I wonder.
October 8, 2013 at 6:12 am
I’m clearly a Skeptic. Hey, Anthony, how about a poll of WUWT readers on this?
The main thing that unites deniers is their opposition to mitigation. Even on that score however, there were one or two fake sceptics who said they'd like to see a shift to clean energy.