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IPCC hemispheric and global surface temperature reconstructions
This first one shows the northern hemisphere, southern hemisphere and global surface temperatures as seen by the IPCC in the AR5 report - looking back 2,000 years.
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| Figure 5.7 IPCC AR5 WG1 Reconstructed (a) Northern Hemisphere and (b) Southern Hemisphere, and (c) global annual temperatures during the last 2000 years. Individual reconstructions (see Appendix 5.A.1 for further information about each one) are shown as indicated in the legends, grouped by colour according to their spatial representation (red: land-only all latitudes; orange: land-only extra-tropical latitudes; light blue: land and sea extra-tropical latitudes; dark blue: land and sea all latitudes) and instrumental temperatures shown in black (HadCRUT4 land and sea, and CRUTEM4 land-only; Morice et al., 2012). All series represent anomalies (°C) from the 1881–1980 mean (horizontal dashed line) and have been smoothed with a filter that reduces variations on timescales less than ~50 years. |
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Anthony Watts' strange ideas of what global surface temperature looks like
You can regard this section as the short version of two recent articles, which were both rather long. For an explanation read the articles doozy and doozy doubled.
Compare Anthony Watts contradictory and competing notions of global surface temperature - in the space of only a couple of days. The top panel is Anthony's global surface temperature as he portrayed it from his view of the "global" Pyrenees in Spain. The bottom panel is Anthony's "global" surface temperature as he portrayed it from his view of an ice sheet in cold Greenland. I've animated the bottom panel so you can also compare Anthony's version of global Greenland with Richard Alley's version of GISP2 in Greenland. (Anthony wrongly claims the series starts in 2000. In fact it starts in 1855.)
I've lined up the top and bottom panels so the years are roughly aligned. Anthony claims both top and bottom are representative of global surface temperatures, despite the fact they are each local to tiny different regions, and are not global, and they are quite different to each other.
They cannot both represent global temperatures. The Pyrenees were coldest when Greenland ice sheet was warmest, warmest when Greenland was coldest, and cooled when Greenland warmed.
You can understand why deniers get so confused. They are being told to believe wrong and contradictory stuff day in and day out. Anthony Watts doesn't just get everything wrong, he can't even keep his own wrong consistent.
If you want to criticise something, at least get it right. Watts was discussing the Esper et al. 2015 paper, "Long-term summer temperature variations in the Pyrenees". His post was about temperature proxies, not GLOBAL temperatures, and a paper whic said in the abstract, that for the Spanish Pyrenees, "Results indicate that late 20th century warming has not been unique within the context of the past 750 years.
ReplyDeleteThere's no mention of global temperature(s) anywhere in the post,
In that case Anthony should have used a title like:
Delete"I can't comment on Mann's work cus all I have is some stuff from the Pyrenees"
Instead of the one he did use which was:
"More facts against the Mann – ‘late 20th century warming has not been unique within…the past 750 years "
And what happened to our poor, dear, Central England Temperaures that deniers used to be so fond of? She's feeling like a Hollywood actress who has reached a certain age.
DeleteMH - is dead wrong. (No surprises there. MH is almost always wrong when it comes to climate. What's interesting is that her or his comment lends support to the hypothesis that WUWT fans don't understand the pseudo-science they read at WUWT any more than they understand climate.)
Delete"MH is almost always wrong when it comes to climate."
Delete- examples, please. Chapter & verse.
Maybe I rushed to judgement, MH. If so I apologise. However, we could start with your chosen moniker. Then we could move onto you being an apologist for Anthony Watts in this thread. Then I could quote you as saying " I speak as one who's a sceptic, firmly in the "show me" camp, and who instinctively distrusts those in the "believe me" camp. Don't just tell me - prove it." in the face of ample proof.
DeleteOn the other hand you do appear to try to investigate for yourself on occasion. And you don't always stick up for the deniers at WUWT. On one occasion you were very scathing of them.
I can't be bothered looking any further. If you want to show that you are inclined to accept science, and agree that scientists generally do their best to get it right, and do so much more often than not, and that you recognise WUWT nonsense for the nonsense that it is, then feel free.
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Delete"There's no mention of global temperature(s) anywhere in the post,"
DeleteLie much? The very first words are in re a quotation of Michael Mann starting with "overall warmth of the globe". That's Watt's context, and it's how he interprets the text he bolds from the Esper paper: "Results indicate that late 20th century warming has not been unique within the context of the past 750 years."
And in the comments, Luke writes" This reconstruction is based on one location so it does not represent a fundamental challenge to Mann’s global reconstruction."
and Watts responds
"if Mann heavily weights a proxy in one location to make a global claim, does that make it OK for him, but not for anyone else?"
So he takes Esper to et. al. to be making a global claim.
Lying deniers are not "mostly harmless".
Mostly, you're flogging a very dead horse here. Watts used the word Pyrenees once in his piece. In his first comment he explicitly complains that Mann did a global reconstruction with one of his sites "heavily weighted": 'if Mann heavily weights a proxy in one location to make a global claim, does that make it OK for him, but not for anyone else?'
ReplyDeleteAnyone reading it would reasonable deduce that Watts was using Esper's study to make the point that Mann must be wrong because one site on the Spain-France border comes up with a slightly different result.
I agree with Sou that Watts doesn't understand science. If he had read the paper, he would not have found the global extrapolation he would have liked to have seen.
But he didn't do a "global extrapolation" anywhere. If he did, explain where, and in what words.
DeleteStop playing dumb, MH. Catmando already pointed it out. Everyone at WUWT knew what Anthony was arguing and some of them disagreed with him.
DeleteIn the title of his blog article: "More facts against the Mann – ‘late 20th century warming has not been unique within…the past 750 years ‘" where he compared Esper15 to Michael Mann writing about global warming. Anthony's next lines were quoting Michael Mann writing: “overall warmth of the globe and northern hemisphere today is substantially greater than during Medieval time”
Further down he used Esper's reconstruction of a spot in the Pyrenees to argue that the MWP was global, writing: "The reconstruction, in red, shows Medieval Warming Period is clearly seen to have temperatures greater than the current modern period." Thing is the main chart doesn't even start till 1300, well after the MWP. And the dotted line shows that, in the Pyrenees at the height of the Medieval Climate Anomaly, it was cold not hot.
This is another clear indication that Anthony was using a single location to claim it represented global temperatures. He wrote in a comment: "So, “Luke” if Mann heavily weights a proxy in one location to make a global claim, does that make it OK for him, but not for anyone else?" - here
Check the links under "related HotWhopper articles" up above. It's all there.
I thought the MBH's were Northern Hemisphere only.
ReplyDeleteIts unfortunate that Anthony's mind is currently rivetted on the Pyrenees- no doubt because that spot is uniquely important to global climate - when yet again there are climate-related issues nearer to home that would otherwise have grabbed his attention.
ReplyDeleteLake Mead is the largest reservoir in the US when at maximum capacity, but now it is at just 38 per cent of that max. Federal forecasters project that the water level could drop as low as 1,073 feet above sea level later this year.
Should that level persist into the start of 2016, it would prompt a shortage declaration which would require states that pull water from the lake to cut back on usage. Those states include Colorado, Nevada, Arizona and California.
Lake Mead is irrelevant to the discussion. If it is relevant, explain why and how,
DeleteThe issue is why Anthony wants to focus on the Pyrenees while ignoring what is happening all around him. I'm sorry, I realise that a winged monkey gets very upset, and starts bouncing up and down on its knuckles when the wicked witch gets ridiculed, but you really ought to get used to it.
DeleteAnd you may, one day, realise that you don't get to dictate what we discuss. Oh, and I lied about being sorry: because the more ridiculous you make yourself too, the funnier it gets.