Anthony Watts, owner of anti-science website WUWT, has done it again. You know how he sponsors weird conspiracy nutters. Well today he's promoting an entire paranoid conspiracy group (archived here). I don't mean just climate conspiracy - this mob have the lot. They call themselves "We are Change Victoria" and they even have their own television show called, wait for it:
Here are some of the conspiracy theories that they indulge in. It's like a list of the weirdest and wackiest:
- Smart meters cause harmful radiation - not only that but "Corix and BC Hydro use fear, lies and scare tactics to make you comply"
- Freedom water is apparently "safe" and "common water" not - for some reason I didn't bother trying to find out.
- Anti-vax - yep, if freedom water isn't enough, this group are anti-vaxxers who talk about "Vaccine propaganda produced by the collusion of the state and the pharmaceutical companies in order to control profits and public opinion".
- The "climate hoax" plus the 911 "conspiracy" and the evil UN!
There's more - all on one television episode:
- Agenda 21 - that wicked plot to care for the environment,
- CIGIonline.org the public non-partisan Centre for International Governance Innovation (CIGI) is an independent think tank focused on international governance - must be bad
- ICLEI - nefarious "brutal" Local Governments for Sustainability - the world’s leading network of over 1,000 cities, towns and metropolises committed to building a sustainable future
- Chemtrails - what conspiracy theorist worth their salt would not have a theory about chemtrails,
- War - ISIS isn't real don't you know: "weaponized mainstream media feeding the public regurgitated, CIA-scripted talking points to provoke a series of wars in the middle east in light of it’s financing of faux terror group ISIS",
- 9/11 was orchestrated by President Bush?
And no, the debate wasn't held on Freedom for All TV. Her judgement may be questionable (in "debating" Tim Ball) but Ms May is not that much of a fruit cake. The "debate" is, or was apparently on Ian Jessop's segment on C-FAX 1070 on 16 March (yesterday). The WUWT article, though, was mainly to promote that conspiracy group.
From the WUWT comments
Paul Westhaver, like many people at WUWT, has an emotional aversion to anyone but utter nutters:
March 16, 2015 at 11:47 am
Elizabeth May is an American leftist, who lives in Canada, and fits in with a small community of wackos rather well.
She is a pseudo-fact, clakitty, clak, mechanized, flood of noise, and eco sound effects.
Tim Ball, despite a minor defect, is rational, scientific, and reasonable.
These two kinds of people cannot debate. She is a great big ROUND MOUND of SOUND. He is a pure facts. Spaghetti and meatballs.
Even though I am happy Dr Ball is debating, and that the greens are crippled necessitating engaging in debate, the stress of listening to the fat disgusting picket fence gob puts me off. I will put on Tchaikovsky’s “Hymm of the Cherubims” in protest of her vocal cords.
Dr Ball, better you than me sir!
JPeden is under some illusion (delusion?) that 2014 wasn't the hottest year on record. It was - so far.
March 16, 2015 at 1:53 pm
May hasn’t even caught up with the Warmist’s retraction of their “2014 is the warmist year evah!”
pmhinsc points out where Tim Ball thinks that global warming is caused by magnetism!
March 16, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Re the debate between Dr. Ball and Green MP Elizabeth May:
In response to a question about whether magnetism is a factor in global warming (around 1:40-45), Dr. Ball said “magnetism is an important source.” He did mention the sun’s magnetic field but the question (and I understand the answer) was about the earth’s magnetic field. Can anyone comment on any relationship between the earth’s magnetic field and “global warming?”
Overall a good debate with most listener questions being “skeptical.”
March 16, 2015 at 2:07 pm
As I understand it, CO2 levels have been much MUCH higher in the past, yet May twice cited a figure of 280ppm, unchanged for the last 800,000 years, only to be topped up by humans of late to 400ppm. Ball never challenged this. Comments?
Heysuess should watch this to the very end to see the whole 800,000 years of CO2 levels.
BCBill found it fascinating and scary that a politician would discuss climate science, unlike Tim Ball with his crazy conspiracy theories:
March 16, 2015 at 3:29 pm
Quite fascinating to see how somebody (Elizabeth May) without any technical expertise on the subject has the unmitigated gall to parrot the party line in opposition to sincere discussion. It is a scary peak into one kind of political mind.
Walt D. summed up the situation nicely:
March 16, 2015 at 11:33 am
It all depends who the audience is. You could debate Duane Gish on Creationism vs Evolution at a Southern Baptist Church. I don’t care how good your arguments are or how good your counterexamples to Dr. Gish’s examples. Chances are you will not change any minds in the audience.
Same here – unless you have an audience where people have not made up their minds who are prepared to change their minds, nothing will change.
WUWT listeners will think that Tim Ball demolished Elizabeth May, and Green listeners will think that Elizabeth May won hands down.
When all is said and done, scientific facts are not determined by debate.