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Thursday, January 2, 2014

Jim Steele, science denier, gets lost in Florida's mangroves

Sou | 6:15 PM Go to the first of 5 comments. Add a comment

Jim Steele got lost in the Arctic a few months ago, confusing the Chukchi Sea and the Bering Sea.  He also couldn't tell the difference between seasons and demonstrated that he can't read a simple chart.

So it won't be a surprise to anyone that he got lost in Florida and finds statistical analysis "bewildering".

Today at WUWT (archived here), in another attempt to sell his book about how all the scientists in the world have got it wrong, Jim has taken to a study of mangroves along the Florida coast.

The PNAS paper (open access for now) is by Kyle C. Cavanaugh and co and what they found was that mangroves are moving up the Florida coastline.  The scientists looked at Landsat images over a thirty year period, writing:
We measured mangrove area along the east coast of Florida (25°N to 30°N) each summer from 1984 to 2011 by using 30-m resolution multispectral Landsat 5 Thematic Mapper satellite imagery. All three species of mangroves found in Florida (A. germinans, L. racemosa, and R. mangle) were grouped together in our analysis.

Mangroves are marching north


What the scientists found was the mangroves are expanding northwards as the number of days below minus 4 degrees Celsius lessens. In the abstract they write:
This expansion is associated with a reduction in the frequency of “extreme” cold events (days colder than −4 °C), but uncorrelated with changes in mean annual temperature, mean annual precipitation, and land use. Our analyses provide evidence for a threshold response, with declining frequency of severe cold winter events allowing for poleward expansion of mangroves. Future warming may result in increases in mangrove cover beyond current latitudinal limits of mangrove forests, thereby altering the structure and function of these important coastal ecosystems.

Maybe Jim thinks he has to call all the scientists wrong in order to get anyone to buy his science denial book.Whatever the reason, he makes a habit of picking out papers to try to prove them wrong.


Jim Steele is bewildered by simple statistics


To show his credentials to the scientific illiterati at WUWT, he said the authors "use a bewildering array of statistics".  My reading of the paper is that the statistics are straightforward and not at all bewildering, even to me - and my statistics days are in the dim distant past.  They used linear regression and correlation analysis, and it doesn't look bewildering at all. It tells us a lot about Jim's scientific expertise that he thinks otherwise.


Where are the Indian River Lagoon mangrove re-establishement sites?


Jim's main argument, however, was that he knew "people" who took part in shoreline restoration projects in the region of Indian River Lagoon.  Jim provided a link.  The Indian River Lagoon covers a large-ish spread along the Florida coast from around 27N to 29N, covering around 245 km from beginning to end by my reckoning.  What Jim is arguing is that it's not the number of minus four degree days that is causing the mangroves to expand north, it's a mangrove planting project.

Well I decided to see if there was anything to Jim's claim.  I found a 2008 paper that reports on the project. It reported numbers of plantings, the sites and various other matters.  I was struck by a couple of things, given Jim's claim that the increase in mangroves was because of revegetation projects.

First of all, the paper reports around 760 survived trees from all 57 sites at the time of the report (the survival rate is reported at 10% +/-2%).  There were 57 sites scattered along the lagoon spanning about 165 km along the coast. The top-most planting site was at around 28 15'N.  That should indicate the scale of the planting compared to the entire Florida coastline.  I've also posted a map below.

Now let's go back to what the researchers found.  They wrote:
The historical northern limit of mangroves in eastern North America, believed to be set by cold temperatures, is located near 30°N, just north of St. Augustine, FL (22).

And they found that:
The area of mangrove forests increased dramatically between 1984 and 2011 near the northern range limit of mangroves in Florida (Fig. 1). Over this time period, the spatial extent of mangroves between 29° and 29.75°N doubled.

Here is a map showing the above, plus the stretch of coastline along which the Indian River Lagoon revegetation sites were scattered.  The top yellow arrow marks the stretch of coastline where the scientists found a doubling in mangrove area.  The bottom yellow arrow marks the stretch  of coast along which the people Jim knew planted mangroves.



As the map shows, the area that the study referred to in regard to expansion to the north is not the same as the areas being revegetated.  The mangrove planting sites are quite a way south of there.  Once again, Jim Steele has shown his incompetence at best and the lengths to which he will go to try to discredit science and scientists.


Addendum


Here's a chart that also shows clearly how Jim Steele got it wrong. I've roughly marked the boundaries of the mangrove planting sites along the Indian River Lagoon:

Fig. 2. A 28-y time series of mangrove area separated into 0.25° latitudinal bands. Mangrove area is displayed relative to the first year in the time series (1984). (Right) A value of 1 indicates no change (100% of 1984 area), 0 indicates total loss of mangroves, and 2 indicates a doubling of mangrove area. Data were calculated from Landsat imagery collected each year between April and July. White areas indicate that no cloud-free Landsat data were available.
Source: Cavanaugh13
Added by Sou 11:55 pm 2 January 2014  (AEDST)


Jim has a habit of denying climate science, and of attacking scientists.  That's why I believe it's important to show up his incompetence and his shallow efforts at denial.

If he stuck to his area of expertise, which as I understand it is habitat restoration, he could do a lot of good.  Instead he goes for doing bad and all because he doesn't "believe in" climate science.


Kyle C. Cavanaugh, James R. Kellner, Alexander J. Forde, Daniel S. Gruner, John D. Parker, Wilfrid Rodriguez, and Ilka C. Feller (2013), Poleward expansion of mangroves is a threshold response to decreased frequency of extreme cold events, PNAS, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1315800111

Lisa K. Johnson and Laura W. Herren (October 2008), Re-establishment of Fringing Mangrove Habitat in the Indian River Lagoon, Shoreline Restoration Project 2007-2008 Final Report, Florida Department of Environmental Protection (click here for report)



From the WUWT comments

Perennially Puzzled Bob Tisdale takes the opportunity to name-link back to his own blog in the hope of selling his own claptrap and says:
January 1, 2014 at 8:18 am
Thanks, Jim, for another enlightening article.
Regards


Bill H is a typical fake sceptic who doesn't check facts and says:
January 1, 2014 at 8:28 am
The state plants a whole bunch of man groves and along comes a scientist, who ignores mans influence and then touts the increase as evidence of CAGW…. ?? And those doing the study couldn’t figure this one out?

John does a good imitation of a parrot who's lived at WUWT long enough to learn some words and says:
January 1, 2014 at 8:45 am
I am not a geologist but fancy this sort of stuff… The geologic record proves this planet warms and cools in natural cycles – something these climate change nuts ignore. So ridiculous.

pat is a good little parrot, too, and has even learnt the big bewildering word "Smithsonian":
January 1, 2014 at 9:24 am
A fraud. A fraud by the Smithsonian.

Another WUWT-trained parrot,  Steve Keohane says:
January 1, 2014 at 9:43 am
I feel a need for a special stupidity descriptor for this type of non-sense. Perhaps ‘G-WS’ for ‘Grant-Whore Stupid’. This is really getting to be too much.


R. de Haan says he's pigged out on WUWT:
January 1, 2014 at 9:00 am
One warmist crap strory after another. I’m really getting boared.


Proud Skeptic is a member of the Illiterati Society and says he can't understand why scientists want to find out stuff:
January 1, 2014 at 6:20 pm
I find myself wondering why Warmists are so insistent that all present ecosystems remain exactly as they are in the places they now exist. Whatever the reason the mangroves are moving, aren’t they a valid ecosystem?

5 comments:

  1. "If he stuck to his area of expertise, which as I understand it is habit restoration"

    Hmm, it sounds like he has some habits he keeps doing.

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  2. Jim Steele got lost in the Arctic a few months ago, confusing the Chukchi Sea and the Bering Sea. He also couldn't tell the difference between seasons and demonstrated that he can't read a simple chart.

    So it won't be a surprise to anyone that he got lost in Florida and finds statistical analysis "bewildering"

    According to popular belief 97% of scientists are 95% sure that they are able to predict what the climate will be like by 2100, so is it any surprise that a group of "climate scientists" can leave New Zealand on the 28th of November and get stuck in sea ice less than a month later?

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    1. "According to popular belief 97% of scientists are 95% sure that they are able to predict what the climate will be like by 2100"

      thats a flat out lie on your part.

      the 95% certainty is regarding global warming's anthropogenic origin, it is NOT regarding knowing what the planet will be like in 2100.

      why do you blatantly lie like that?

      -cabc

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    2. Huh?

      One of the reasons I am happy to have climate science deniers comment is so they can demonstrate to the wider world the oddities in their thought processes. Many, like Anonymous, show they have no aptitude for logic or critical thinking.

      Anonymous, if you would rather discuss the ice-bound ship, there are a number of other articles on the topic. This one is about the impact of climate change on mangroves and Jim Steele's ignorance, laziness and (self-)deception - and related.

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