How Anthony Watts and rgbatduke attempt to expose the chicanery of Christy, Spencer and Monckton
Anthony Watts puts up an article slamming the chart of Roy Spencer and John Christie and Christopher Monckton's charts all in a few words. All his commenters agree they are nonsense. They've run out of arguments against "warmists" so now they are attacking each other. Good to see.
Here's the slam from rgbatduke:
This is reflected in the graphs Monckton publishes above (Sou: see below), where the AR5 trend line is the average over all of these models and in spite of the number of contributors the variance of the models is huge. It is also clearly evident if one publishes a “spaghetti graph” of the individual model projections (as Roy Spencer recently did in another thread) — it looks like the frayed end of a rope, not like a coherent spread around some physics supported result.
Note the implicit swindle in this graph (Sou: he is referring to Monckton's chart as shown below) — by forming a mean and standard deviation over model projections and then using the mean as a “most likely” projection and the variance as representative of the range of the error, one (Sou: ie Monckton) is treating the differences between the models as if they are uncorrelated random variates causing >deviation around a true mean!.
Say what?I kind of like they way rgbatduke wishes climate behaved the way a single particle behaves in a laboratory-controlled physics experiment. If only. (By the way, I'm not twisting this in any way. rgbatduke is referring directly to the workings of Christy, Spencer and Monckton. He may think he's criticising the IPCC but they are not IPCC charts. It's not the IPCC that used the data that way. It's only Christy, Spencer and Monckton who did the charts and calculations in the way they did.)
The rest of his article reads as if it's written by a person (maybe a physicist) who doesn't know anything about climate science. rgbatduke says as much, admitting his "comparative ignorance". It comes across as the logical fallacy of personal incredulity.
Anyway, here are some reactions:
Ian W says:
June 18, 2013 at 5:24 pm An excellent post – it would be assisted if it had Viscount Monckton’s and Roy Spencer’s graphs displayed with references.
mark says:
June 18, 2013 at 5:43 pm damn. just damn.
Chuck Nolan says:
June 18, 2013 at 6:02 pm I believe you’re correct. I’m not smart enough to know if what you are saying is true, but I like your logic. Posting this on WUWT tells me you are not afraid of critique. Everyone knows nobody gets away with bad science or math here.
Abe says:
June 18, 2013 at 6:04 pm WINNER!!!!! The vast majority of what you said went WAY over my head, but the notion of averaging models for stats as if they were actual data being totally wrong I totally agree.
Rob Ricket says:
June 18, 2013 at 8:03 pm What a brilliant application of scientific logic in exposing the futility of attempting to prognosticate the future with inadequate tools. It takes a measure of moral courage to expose fellow academics as morally bankrupt infants bumbling about in a dank universe of deception. Bravo!
Jeef says:
June 18, 2013 at 7:32 pm That. Is. Brilliant. Thank you.
June 18, 2013 at 7:32 pm That. Is. Brilliant. Thank you.
Only a couple of people seemed to understand what rgbatduke wrote.
Once again, Nick Stokes asks some pertinent questions (my bold):
June 18, 2013 at 6:22 pm As I said on the other thread, what is lacking here is a proper reference. Who does this? Where? “Whoever it was that assembled the graph” is actually Lord Monckton. But I don’t think even that graph has most of these sins, and certainly the AR5 graph cited with it does not. Where in the AR5 do they make use of ‘the variance and mean of the “ensemble” of models’?
Monckton pops in and thanks Nick Stokes for being gracious and coming to his defense.
June 18, 2013 at 6:22 pm As I said on the other thread, what is lacking here is a proper reference. Who does this? Where? “Whoever it was that assembled the graph” is actually Lord Monckton. But I don’t think even that graph has most of these sins, and certainly the AR5 graph cited with it does not. Where in the AR5 do they make use of ‘the variance and mean of the “ensemble” of models’?
Monckton pops in and thanks Nick Stokes for being gracious and coming to his defense.
No, that's not what he does. Monckton calls Nick Stokes a liar and a troll and and then goes on to say he did exactly what Nick Stokes and rgbatduke said he did. He writes: "in my own graph I merely represented the interval of projections encompassed by the spaghetti graph and added a line to represent the IPCC’s central projection." That's precisely what rgbatduke was referring to when he originally wrote in reference to Monckton's chart, of the:
"implicit swindle in this graph — by forming a mean and standard deviation over model projections and then using the mean as a “most likely” projection and the variance as representative of the range of the error, one is treating the differences between the models as if they are uncorrelated random variates causing >deviation around a true mean!"
Monckton somehow "forgets" to mention the variance he shows on his chart (see below).
Monckton also admits to using a confidential draft AR5 chart, which if he was an expert reviewer he pledged to keep confidential. The AR5 chart itself has errors AFAIK and the public version will no doubt be different.
Monckton shows his lack of moral fibre and his lack of grace. His behaviour shows he is not an upright citizen, an honest man of his word or a gentleman. Monckton is a bombastic ignorant fool who has lost his entertainment value. I've noticed that some people who are in the wrong are incapable of admitting it, and have a tendency to get very aggro. As if they think it will fool anyone but other fools. Monckton also has a very compartmentalised brain. It holds his lies and truths in different compartments but he can spout either or both at the same time, usually mixed with his misplaced self-righteous venom.
A final mention to Tsk Tsk who observes the strawman (my bold):
June 18, 2013 at 7:01 pm Brown raises a potentially valid point about the statistical analysis of the ensemble, but his carbon atom comparison risks venturing into strawman territory. If he’s claiming that much of the variance amongst the models is driven by the actual sophistication of the physics that each incorporates, then he should provide a bit more evidence to support that conclusion.
Here is a figure from the 2007 IPCC report - Summary for Policy Makers. The left panel is emission scenarios, the right panel shows multi-model means of surface temperature for different scenarios. The bars at the right show the "best estimate" surface temperature and likely range for 2090-2099. The best estimate is not the same as the model means you'll notice. Click to enlarge.
Here are the charts prepared by Christy, Spencer and Monckton that so offended rgbatduke, all the WUWT deniers and Anthony Watts, but which they are only now saying so.
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Spencer and Christy's Spaghetti |
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Monckton's Swindle |
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Here is a figure from the 2007 IPCC report - Summary for Policy Makers. The left panel is emission scenarios, the right panel shows multi-model means of surface temperature for different scenarios. The bars at the right show the "best estimate" surface temperature and likely range for 2090-2099. The best estimate is not the same as the model means you'll notice. Click to enlarge.
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Figure SPM.5. Left Panel: Global GHG emissions (in GtCO2-eq) in the absence of climate policies: six illustrative SRES marker scenarios (coloured lines) and the 80th percentile range of recent scenarios published since SRES (post-SRES) (gray shaded area). Dashed lines show the full range of post-SRES scenarios. The emissions include CO2, CH4, N2O and F-gases. Right Panel: Solid lines are multi-model global averages of surface warming for scenarios A2, A1B and B1, shown as continuations of the 20th-century simulations. These projections also take into account emissions of short-lived GHGs and aerosols. The pink line is not a scenario, but is for Atmosphere-Ocean General Circulation Model (AOGCM) simulations where atmospheric concentrations are held constant at year 2000 values. The bars at the right of the figure indicate the best estimate (solid line within each bar) and the likely range assessed for the six SRES marker scenarios at 2090-2099. All temperatures are relative to the period 1980-1999. {Figures 3.1 and 3.2} |