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Thursday, February 15, 2018

Climate science denial dismissed - Judge finds Tim Ball too wacky to be believed

Sou | 9:52 AM Go to the first of 8 comments. Add a comment
Over at WUWT, Anthony Watts has gleefully announced to his climate conspiracy mob that a Canadian judge has dismissed a lawsuit against Tim Ball. What Anthony didn't (and probably won't) tell his readers, is that the judge dismissed the complaint because:
Simply put, a reasonably thoughtful and informed person who reads the Article is unlikely to place any stock in Dr. Ball’s views, including his views of Dr. Weaver as a supporter of conventional climate science.

Now we know that no-one who is a fan of WUWT is a "reasonably thoughtful" or "informed person". And we also know that about 99% of them won't bother reading any judgement, and most don't read DeSmogBlog (or HotWhopper) either. Still, I thought it might be useful to spread the word, thanks to Richard Littlemore - who wrote about this first.

If the argument put by the judge is extended, it means that he regards most fans of Anthony Watts' wattsupwiththat blog as unreasonable, lacking in thinking power, and distinctly uninformed. He also holds a large minority of the US population in contempt, the ones who still believe anything their authoritarian idols tell them to believe.

Another key quote was how the Judge found Tim Ball intended to harm then climate scientist Andrew Weaver:
The judge agreed, saying, first of all that Ball’s intent to injure was adequately established in the evidence:
These allegations are directed at Dr. Weaver’s professional competence and are clearly derogatory of him. Indeed, it is quite apparent that this was Dr. Ball’s intent.
That's why I think Andrew Weaver stands a chance if he chooses to appeal. Even though I agree with the judgement in its essence, it's also not unreasonable to argue that something like 30% of the US population might be "reasonably thoughtful" despite being wrong about climate science, and are instead merely "uninformed". (That's not the case for probably most WUWT commenters. The long term fans can only be considered as unscrupulous disinformers who deliberately spread lies, or are wilfully ignorant, because they've had ample time and means to find out the facts for themselves.)

Now will Anthony keep his promise and perhaps post the judgement (pdf) or not. Any bets?

By the way - I did predict that Tim Ball was trying for the insanity defense, back in April last year. He must be very pleased his efforts have come to this!

As an aside, sorry for being tardy in getting back to blogging. Other commitments mean articles will be a bit slow coming for a little while yet. Sorry about that. I shall return in full swing shortly.


Further reading


Is Tim Ball wanting to try the "insane" defense in his court cases, with the help of Anthony Watts? - HotWhopper article from April 2017

More about Tim Ball from HotWhopper

8 comments:

Harry Twinotter said...

This took 6 year? Blimey!

I think Andrew Weaver will appeal. The judge let Tim Ball off.

Magma said...

Thanks for the link to the Desmogblog article and pdf of the judgment, Sou. I wasn't aware that the original publisher retracted Ball's obscure comment piece and apologized in 2011, or that Ball had apologized in writing to Weaver in 2011 as well. Weaver probably should have let the matter drop there.

Note that this is quite different from Mann v. Steyn, Simberg, NRO, and CEI, who have been far more defamatory, more widely published, and without a hint of apology. In fact while Simberg has kept an extremely low profile, Steyn keeps doubling down on defamation. You can only lose your house once, I suppose.

Millicent said...

The appeal should note that the judgement relies on there being few people out there who cannot be described as "reasonably thoughtful and informed". The recent Brexit and Trump votes would indicate they are, in fact, legion.

numerobis said...

The deniers have been able to defame at will for a decade or two. Time to nail some of them to their words.

PhilScadden said...

Hmm, reminds me of the supposed Adlai Stevenson retort.
"Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!", "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority".

Given Trump is president, I think the judge is being optimistic.

Anonymous said...

Having some experience in matters like this. In my opinion ,the Judge seemed to be seeking to head off a malicious prosecution case against Weaver by Ball. Possibly diminish Balls'chances at recovery of legal costs as well .
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Really a tempest in a teapot from my perspective .
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Real reason I am here is Sou was following Oceans 2k 2015 2,000 year SST reconstruction which was supposed to publish the 20th century bin data last May . Never happened that I can find and site seems to have folded ..
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Anyone on here know where or when this will be available ?

jrkrideau said...

While from a point of view that says that that the more nut-case deniers should be slapped down, one can see the rationale that the judge used.

I think he was probably wrong but that implies that he would need a massive knowledge of the climate denial world.

Still saying that Ball is so mad/incompetent that no reasonable person would believe his writings is not that bad.

Did anyone notice than Ball cannot stop lying even in Court?

From the decision:
Dr. Ball is a retired professor from the Department of Geography at the University of Winnipeg, who holds a PhD in climatology and who taught in the field for many years.

One wonders why Weaver's legal team did not challenge this.

Millicent said...

What I love about this story is there is no need to have any scientific knowledge to be able to get the true story. You just need to understand plain English. And the conclusion from that is Watts sets out to misinform and his fanboys choose to be misinformed.