Fires in East and Far East Gippsland and the high country exploded on Monday. We were warned.
Some people who I thought would have known better were sceptical of the warning from Emergency Services to leave Far East Gippsland. After all, it's a huge area, was jam-packed with holiday-makers, and it's on the coast (water puts out fire, right?). They may have neglected to factor in a number of things:
Showing posts with label wildfire. Show all posts
Showing posts with label wildfire. Show all posts
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Thursday, May 26, 2016
Another misleading WUWT headline, this one about wildfire
Sou | 12:34 AM Go to the first of 10 comments. Add a comment
This is about another misleading headline at WUWT (archived here). Anthony Watts wrote about a paper in a special edition of Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B about wildfire. His headline was "New study shows no wildfire increases due to global warming, slight decline in recent decades noted". Anthony took it on himself to add the part about global warming. That wasn't in either the press release or the abstract, and I doubt it was in the paper itself, which is paywalled.Thursday, May 5, 2016
Horrible, awful, devastating fire in Fort McMurray Alberta
Sou | 6:30 PM Go to the first of 37 comments. Add a comment
Yesterday I heard the dreadful news about the devastating fires around Fort McMurray Alberta. Not long afterwards, the evacuation notice spread to all residents of the town and its surrounds - around 80,000 people. The entire city was evacuated. That's the largest ever fire evacuation in Alberta, probably Canada and maybe even in the world. The latest I've read is that the winds have shifted and the evacuation notice has spread to communities south of Fort McMurray, including one evacuation centre, as indicated in the video in the tweet below.
To evacuate from Fort McMurray there's really only one road, Highway 63 as the map below shows. It's about 434 km to Edmonton. To shift 80,000 people plus out of harms way would have been a garguantan task. Some went to sites considered safe outside of Fort McMurray, and various evacuation centres. I don't know where the whole 80,000 people went to - that's a lot of people to accommodate.
— Cameron MacIntosh (@CamMacIntoshCBC) May 5, 2016
To evacuate from Fort McMurray there's really only one road, Highway 63 as the map below shows. It's about 434 km to Edmonton. To shift 80,000 people plus out of harms way would have been a garguantan task. Some went to sites considered safe outside of Fort McMurray, and various evacuation centres. I don't know where the whole 80,000 people went to - that's a lot of people to accommodate.
Monday, December 28, 2015
Extreme December weather
Sou | 3:02 PM Go to the first of 50 comments. Add a comment
December was not without extreme weather in many parts of the world. This past week has seen floods in South and North America, the UK and Ireland, worsening drought in southern Africa, wildfire in Australia and southern California, and unseasonally warm weather across the USA and Canada.
The BBC headline is "Flooding 'worst in 50 years', as 150,000 flee in Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay". Rivers have broken banks after days of heavy rains.
The worst affected is Paraguay, where more than 90,000 people were forced to leave their homes, many of them poor people living on the banks of the River Paraguay. This underscores the fact that it is the least wealthy who are most vulnerable to weather-related disasters.
Worst floods in 50 years in South America
The BBC headline is "Flooding 'worst in 50 years', as 150,000 flee in Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay". Rivers have broken banks after days of heavy rains.
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| Source: BBC |
Tuesday, September 15, 2015
What denier blogs won't talk about - California fires
Sou | 6:02 AM Go to the first of 41 comments. Add a comment
One of the most striking signs of climate science denial is what you read on denier blogs during major events. Or rather, what you don't read. Anthony Watts lives in Chico California. In his home state at the moment, all you will read about, and if what we experience in Australia is any indication, all you'll see on television and hear on the radio are reports of the devastating fires. But not on the "most read" climate conspiracy blog in California, WUWT. Not a word.
Visit the website of the LA Times and read the stories, made all the more heartbreaking by the matter of fact manner in which the reports are written.
Visit the website of the LA Times and read the stories, made all the more heartbreaking by the matter of fact manner in which the reports are written.
Tuesday, July 7, 2015
Wildfires in North America
Sou | 9:01 PM Go to the first of 16 comments. Add a comment
Global warming isn't just about heat waves, floods and drought. Combine heat with dry conditions and you'll get more fires. A lot of people in North America are complaining about smoke. Here are some maps showing the current wildfires in Alaska and Canada (h/t Greg Laden).
First Alaska, from Weather Underground, showing the active fires and the smoke:
First Alaska, from Weather Underground, showing the active fires and the smoke:
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Monday, July 6, 2015
Why @wattsupwiththat has been so dull lately - it's the weather
Sou | 12:33 PM Go to the first of 5 comments. Add a comment
At WUWT the mood is sombre and dull and boring. There has been nothing of note for a while. You'd never know that Anthony Watts claims he is a "former AMS certified (Seal 676 retired) television meteorologist who spent 25 years on the air". He doesn't blog about weather these days. Instead there's the usual from the resident conspiracy theorist, Tim Ball (of One World Guvmint/New World Order nonsense), and various articles about why the Pope is wrong to accept science. These latter are a bit mixed up, with some saying that the Catholic Church should do a Galileo and reject science, and others complaining that he wants to rob the poor, and others saying he is a marxist and wanting to make the poor people of the world better off (horrors of horrors!) and one comment even claiming Pope Francis is a KGB sleeper agent.
At one point recently, Anthony branched out into national security and went all alarmist. He warned his readers to watch out for terrorist attacks on the Independence Day weekend, so quite a few of them unholstered their guns. This was the result. (Only a couple of readers said his article was crap.)
I think I've figured out what the problem is. Every time Anthony puts on his weather announcer's hat he quickly takes it off again. This is some of what he doesn't want his readers to read:
At one point recently, Anthony branched out into national security and went all alarmist. He warned his readers to watch out for terrorist attacks on the Independence Day weekend, so quite a few of them unholstered their guns. This was the result. (Only a couple of readers said his article was crap.)
I think I've figured out what the problem is. Every time Anthony puts on his weather announcer's hat he quickly takes it off again. This is some of what he doesn't want his readers to read:
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Sunday, April 19, 2015
Wildfires add to atmospheric CO2: A lesson for Australia from California
Sou | 4:23 PM Go to the first of 7 comments. Add a comment
There still isn't a lot happening in deniersville. Anthony Watts and his readers are gloating that their campaigns against climate science are having an effect. Well, Anthony doesn't actually admit that denier smear campaigns might be giving graduates second thoughts about doing research in climate - however, he and his denier friends are clearly delighted to hear that some conference in India didn't get enough papers to go ahead. Or so they say. (Archived here.)
Meanwhile, there are lots and lots of scientists beavering away expanding our understanding of the climate and the earth and all its systems.
Just one more example: Anthony hasn't mentioned this new paper about his home state, California. It's from a team led by Patrick Gonzalez, of the U.S. National Park Service. The scientists found that wildfires (and deforestation) are contributing quite a bit more to greenhouse emissions than previously known.
Meanwhile, there are lots and lots of scientists beavering away expanding our understanding of the climate and the earth and all its systems.
Just one more example: Anthony hasn't mentioned this new paper about his home state, California. It's from a team led by Patrick Gonzalez, of the U.S. National Park Service. The scientists found that wildfires (and deforestation) are contributing quite a bit more to greenhouse emissions than previously known.
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Wednesday, August 6, 2014
Eleven major fires in California but Anthony Watts at WUWT sez "it's not happening"!
Sou | 7:37 PM Go to the first of 6 comments. Add a commentWhile there are currently eleven major fires raging in California, eleven in Oregon and four in Washington state, Anthony Watts decides to go to "it's not happening" (archived here).
With more than half of his home state in extreme drought and in the midst of the fire season, it takes an extreme denialist to try to argue that climate change isn't real. And it takes a person of dubious morals to try to convince his readers that "it's not happening".
Here is a chart with US fire data from the National Interagency Fire Centre. As always, click to enlarge.
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| Data source: National Interagency Fire Centre |
The data go back to 1960. However there is a warning about data prior to 1983.
Prior to 1983, sources of these figures are not known, or cannot be confirmed, and were not derived from the current situation reporting process. As a result the figures above prior to 1983 shouldn't be compared to later data.So with that in mind, I've only plotted the data from 1983 to 2013. The period probably isn't long enough to draw solid conclusions, but it's suggestive of a trend to bigger fires and perhaps a small increase in the overall number of fires. (Note the very low count in the first year or two, which would distort the linear trend for the number of fires making it appear steeper.) This is against a background of much improved fire suppression technology, communication etc. So if all else was equal, I'd have expected that the area burnt would lessen. It hasn't. If anything it's increased over the years.
Wednesday, May 21, 2014
WUWT misleads deniers: downplays climate change affecting wildfires
Sou | 6:07 PM Go to the first of 6 comments. Add a commentLarry Hamlin is an occasional guest denier at WUWT. He's just another WUWT nutter, though his articles hide that fact behind his smooth words. He suits WUWT because he tells the pack what they want to hear. This time he's downplaying the fact that wildfires will become a worse risk as the world heats up (archived here), under a headline:
AP misleads the public, again, saying man made global warming worsens wildfires.
Larry appeals to the scaredy cats
The climate fear media ...He uses the word "alarmist" five times - making out that there's really nothing to worry about in regard to wildfires. He uses the word "fear" four times. His closing paragraph he continues his "scaredy cat" framing writing:
The climate fear propaganda media have again misled the public with unwarranted alarmist headlines alleging claims which do not reflect what this study of large western U.S. wildfires actually presented. The alarmist media twisted and misrepresented the studies information in an effort to try and frighten the public into supporting its scientifically unsupported climate fear political ideology.
What Larry is disputing this time, for a change, is not the scientific research - though he arguably misrepresents that as well. No, it's an article written by Seth Borenstein about the research into wildfires in the USA. The article itself was based largely on the US National Climate Assessment as well as three recent papers. In a departure from the norm at WUWT, Larry links to one of the papers and writes about it as if it's the only one. Seth Borenstein wrote:
In the past three months, at least three different studies and reports have warned that wildfires are getting bigger, that man-made climate change is to blame, and it's only going to get worse with more fires starting earlier in the year. While scientists are reluctant to blame global warming for any specific fire, they have been warning for years about how it will lead to more fires and earlier fire seasons.
Larry doesn't agree and writes:
While the climate alarmist press loudly proclaim that “man made climate change is to blame” for these findings the actual study is much more circumspect about what the contributors are that could be impacting the results.
Even in the abstract to this study other factors are identified that the authors believe contribute to these results including the impacts of invasive species and consequences of past fire management practices in addition to changes in climate and in particular increasing drought severity.
Yes, there are other factors that contribute to wildfires as Larry points out, not just climate change. Nevertheless, one of the main factors that's most concerning as global warming kicks in is higher temperatures combined with drier vegetation. Here is the abstract to the paper to which Larry refers:
Over the western U.S. and in a majority of ecoregions, we found significant, increasing trends in the number of large fires and/or total large fire area per year. Trends were most significant for southern and mountain ecoregions, coinciding with trends toward increased drought severity. For all ecoregions combined, the number of large fires increased at a rate of seven fires per year, while total fire area increased at a rate of 355 km2 per year. Continuing changes in climate, invasive species, and consequences of past fire management, added to the impacts of larger, more frequent fires, will drive further disruptions to fire regimes of the western U.S. and other fire-prone regions of the world.
One of the factors cited is "continuing changes in climate". It's not the only factor by a long shot, but it will become increasingly important as time goes by.
Dumb deniers
Sometimes you are reminded of just how dumb deniers can be. Many of them would never have been exposed to wildfire. Most would live in cities and all they'd see is smoke when it blows their way. What do they think happens when lightning or an arsonist strikes, or when sparks from an angle grinder, train or powerline ignite vegetation? Do they think that even on days where there are catastrophic fire conditions, there won't be any greater risk from fire than the same thing happening when it's cooler and wetter?
Here is an excerpt from a recent paper on wildfire in the USA. It is from scientists with the US Forest Service and the University of California, Jay D. Miller and Hugh Safford:
Our results suggest that the positive trend in percentage of high severity in YPMC in our study area is due to two factors: 1) an increase in the percentage of high severity in large fires, and 2) the absence of years without any large fires after 1993. The second factor is important because we found that large fires had a significantly greater percentage of high severity in YPMC forests than did small fires. More years with large fires and increasing areas of high severity over the 1984 to 2010 period are consistent with observed increases in the number of large fires across the western US that have increasing percentages of high severity with increasing annual areas burned, and predictions of more large fires due to climate change (Westerling et al. 2006, Lenihan et al. 2008, Westerling and Bryant 2008, Littell et al. 2009, Lutz et al. 2009).
I'm not sure what they mean by their first point, which reads as if the cause causes the cause. However their work suggests that there is an increasing trend in high severity fires in some regions, which is consistent with what is expected as global warming kicks in.
Fires in south eastern Australia
There are some parallels between south-eastern Australia and California. Both would be considered among the regions most at risk of devastating wildfires. In a 2007 paper looking at fire danger in south eastern Australia as climate change progresses, scientists found that:
The number of ‘extreme’ fire danger days generally increases 5-25% by 2020 for the low scenarios and 15-65% for the high scenarios (Table E1). By 2050, the increases are generally 10-50% for the low scenarios and 100-300% for the high scenarios.
The authors also looked at "very extreme" and "catastrophic" fire danger days and found that under high scenarios, by 2050 there'll be a four to five-fold increase in frequency at many sites. In regard to "catastrophic" fire danger days, the authors found that "Only 12 of the 26 sites have recorded ‘catastrophic’ fire danger days since 1973." By 2050, some sites will have "catastrophic" days every three years or less.
I'd say the 2003 Canberra fires and definitely the 2009 Black Saturday fires in Victoria were both "catastrophic" conditions.
Even more worrying (if the scaredy cat deniers paid it any attention), the authors warned that the fire season is going to get longer:
Taken together, the model results suggest that fire seasons will start earlier and end slightly later, while being generally more intense throughout their length. This effect is most pronounced by 2050, although it should be apparent by 2020.
This is what happens when there are too many fires all at the same time and resources are stretched too thinly. Local firefighters were fighting a fire two valleys away and couldn't get back in time to contain this one.
Are high severity fires getting worse in the Sierra Nevada?
In contrast to the above two studies, there is this paper by Chad T. Hanson,C and Dennis C. Odion that suggests that there has not been an increase in "proportion, area or patch size" of high severity fire in the Sierra Nevada conifer eco-region. These findings don't necessarily conflict with the paper by Miller and Safford, which found differences between the occurrence of high severity fires in different regions and different mixes of vegetation. My reading is that one of the main points being made by Hanson and Odion is that fire can affect ecosystems in a bad way. Another is about fire management. Some extracts:
A better understanding of spatiotemporal patterns in fire regimes is needed to predict future fire regimes and their biological effects. Mechanisms underlying the lack of an expected climate- and time since fire-related trend in high-severity fire need to be identified to help calibrate projections of future fire. The effects of climate change on high-severity fire extent may remain small compared with fire suppression. Management could shift from a focus on reducing extent or severity of fire in wildlands to protecting human communities from fire.And from their conclusion, in which they refer to incorrect predictions of "plenty of suitable habitat" and biodiversity:
Finally, our results suggest that predictions that there will be ample, or excessive, high-severity fire, and plenty of suitable habitat for biota dependent on natural early-successional conditions created by fire (Stephens and Ruth 2005), or a diversity of vegetation age classes created by high-severity fire, may be incorrect. Post-fire early-successional habitat appears to be an important conservation priority, but it is not protected as such (Hanson and North 2008; Hutto 2006, 2008). Moreover, many natural forests have been replaced by even-aged, single species tree plantations or modified by silvicultural activities so that they will not function as post-burn habitat for some species (Hutto 2008). Increased recognition of the relative scarcity and ecological importance of burned forest habitats can improve protection of b diversity (Lindenmayer and Franklin 2002; Lindenmayer et al. 2004; Swanson et al. 2011).
It's complicated
Like with most things, there are different factors that contribute to fire severity and area burnt, as well as to post-fire "recovery". For example, in my home state of Victoria, priority is given to protecting towns and buildings (and commercial forests). That means that when fires burn in national parks they can be left to burn not just because they are in such inaccessible terrain but because native forests are not currently valued (by the powers that be) as highly as privately-owned property. The effort is put into containing the fires so they don't spread to areas inhabited by people - with greater or no success depending often on the fire conditions. (Catastrophic conditions make it virtually impossible to contain wildfires.) The scars on our native forest landscape devastated by very severe fires in the past decade bear testament.
Here is a paper by Gill, Stephens and Cary that discusses some of the problems and policy implications of wildfire management. It covers issues such as prescribed burning (fuel management), property protection, as well as the impact of fires and wildfire management on air and water quality, biodiversity, social and economic assets and more.
From the WUWT comments
Not many WUWT readers are interested in wildfires. Like I suggested, probably few of them have experienced any up close and personal. Here are some of the comments to Larry's "scaredy cat" article.
Joel O'Bryan says:
Leigh says:
aussiepete says:
MattS doesn't know much about the climate and vegetation differences across the USA and says:
elmer reverts to an "algore is fat" type comment and says:
LogosWrench says something unintelligible:
Chad Wozniak says that all forests should be razed and covered in concrete, or similar:
Joel O'Bryan says:
May 19, 2014 at 10:53 pm
Grant proposals to study natural climate variability impacts on western wildfire potentials won’t get a high panel score with John Holdren whispering into the NSF’s ear. Grant proposals to study Western Wildfire potentials as a response to projected Climate Change are much more likely to get a better score. If you were a academic researcher needing tenure and a grant, which would you chose? The incentives are obvious with the current political climate.
political
Time for ^climate change.
Leigh says:
May 19, 2014 at 11:40 pm
Funny that.
We’re getting the same BS studys here in Australia.
The warmies are just changing places and dates on their studys.
Otherwise its word for word on the studys done here.
Some wag earlier this year had a thought bubble that there was this giant invisible cloud of CO/2. That works its around the world increasing the ferocity of bushfires where ever it settles over.
Seems like its moved from Australia to America.
I heard it had turned up in Italy not long ago or was that Greece.
It really is becoming quite tedious.
Lets talk about the global warming that froze America…..
aussiepete says:
May 20, 2014 at 4:40 amAussiepete might be interested in reading about fires that get started in haystacks!
What are the trends in deliberately/accidentally lit fires, numbers of campers and miles of power lines over the last few years? Vandalism generally and graffiti in particular has exploded in recent years, therefore, is it not reasonable to assume that it would be the same with arson ? I do not have a degree so i guess i’m not qualified to ask these questions or even have these thoughts.Nonetheless my instincts tell me that an increase of 0.8 of a degree will not lead to spontaneous combustion.
MattS doesn't know much about the climate and vegetation differences across the USA and says:
May 20, 2014 at 6:33 am
Why is this such a big problem in the western states and not the rest of the US?
Because the federal government owns and manages most of the land in the western states, but has relatively little land in the mid-west and eastern states.
May 20, 2014 at 10:17 am
The fact that these fires were set on purpose and that the doomsayers use these fires to push their global warming propaganda kinda makes me wonder, where was Al Gore when these fires were set?
LogosWrench says something unintelligible:
May 20, 2014 at 10:28 am
The wildfires are man made and I believe they a few people in custody but it aint for CO2.
Chad Wozniak says that all forests should be razed and covered in concrete, or similar:
May 20, 2014 at 11:03 am
The increase in wildfires is attributable very specifically to environmentalist extremism, which has interfered with prudent forest management practices (such as thinning underbrush and removing dead trees) and with natural fire cycles which are much less destructive than the fires resulting from environmentalist practices.
Dennison, P. E., S. C. Brewer, J. D. Arnold, and M. A. Moritz (2014), Large wildfire trends in the western United States, 1984–2011, Geophys. Res. Lett., 41, 2928–2933, doi:10.1002/2014GL059576.
Miller, Jay D., and Hugh Safford. "Trends in wildfire severity: 1984 to 2010 in the Sierra Nevada, Modoc Plateau, and southern Cascades, California, USA." Fire Ecology 8, no. 3 (2012). doi: 10.4996/fireecology.0803041
Bushfire weather in Southeast Australia: recent trends and projected climate change impacts. Melbourne, Australia: Bushfire CRC, 2007.
Hanson, Chad T., and Dennis C. Odion. "Is fire severity increasing in the Sierra Nevada, California, USA?." International Journal of Wildland Fire (2013). http://www.californiachaparral.org/images/Hanson_and_Odion_Fire_Severity_in_Sierra_Nev_2014.pdf
Gill, A. Malcolm, Scott L. Stephens, and Geoffrey J. Cary. "The worldwide “wildfire” problem." Ecological applications 23, no. 2 (2013): 438-454. http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/stephens-lab/Publications/Gill%20et%20al.%202013.pdf
Thursday, October 17, 2013
Early start to the fire season in Australia
Sou | 8:15 PM Go to the first of 12 comments. Add a commentUpdate: Hundreds of homes may have been destroyed today. Some areas had people trapped with no water and no firefighters. Conditions have been among the worst ever experienced in NSW with very strong winds fanning the fires and very dry conditions.
#nswfires #bushfire #GodBlessFirefighters Middle of Spring!?! Enough already!! pic.twitter.com/32yhaIoL5y
— Jo (@BeringWells) October 17, 2013
Thank you to the thousands of firefighters who have so bravely fought fires in difficult conds. #NSWRFS #nswfires pic.twitter.com/stDcOP0hIA
— NSW RFS (@NSWRFS) October 17, 2013
Australia has had an early start to the fire season. In September, when spring had barely started, fires started raging in NSW.
My heartfelt sympathy to everyone who has lost property or been threatened by fire these past few weeks. This is not something one would wish on their worst enemy. All Australians are very grateful to all the brave men and women fighting these fires and everyone who is supporting the firefighters in their efforts.
This is where the fires are burning at the moment, from the NSW Rural Fire Service. Fires are scattered over 1,200 km (approx 750 miles) up NSW, almost from the Victorian border to Queensland.
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| Source: NSW RFS |
Sydney is baking in heat more akin to the height of summer
This week has seen more fire disasters as reported by Peter Hannam in the Sydney Morning Herald. On Sunday dozens of people lost their cars when a fire destroyed a car park at Olympic Park Aquatic Centre in Homebush (home of the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games).
Today's fires aren't restricted to the back blocks either, there are fires burning around Australia's largest city, Sydney. From Peter Hannam:
The strength of Thursday's winds caught authorities on the hop, with the fire danger only rated "severe" rather than "extreme", as had been forecast for the previous Sunday's heat spike.
Bankstown, for instance, recorded 95 km/h winds, the strongest there for at least 10 years, said Ben McBurney, a meteorologist with Weatherzone.
"The bureau didn't expect wind speeds to go quite as high as they did," he said.
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Humidity across the basin also fell as low as 10 per cent. "That's probably what led to these fires getting out of control," said McBurney.
Many areas saw their fire danger ratings rocket to "catastrophic", including for Richmond and Sydney Airport. Camden also had a "catastrophic" rating, the highest in 11 years.
While strong winds remained a concern, the arrival of cooler conditions late on Thursday gave firefighters in some areas a break. But relief may be temporary as a lack of rain and rising temperatures over the weekend will see high fire dangers return.
Friday's maximum will drop back to the long-run October average of 22 degrees and will seem almost cool after Sydneysiders have been baking in heat more akin to the height of summer than mid-spring.
Climate change will see fire conditions worsen
Peter Hannam is one of the journalists in Australia who reports it as it is. In the same article he writes:
David Jones, head of climate analysis at the Bureau of Meteorology, said climate change will see fire conditions worsen for much of Australia over the longer run.
While weather patterns vary from year to year, southern Australia is already seeing springs and summer becoming hotter. As a result, there is a "trend towards more severe fire weather conditions across Australia.”
"We know from about March-April to around June, things have been drying out across southern Australia," he said.
"The fact there is less soil moisture increases the fire risk both towards the end of the fire season but also the subsequent fire season," Dr Jones said. "You have a lesser opportunity to really wet up the vegetation.”
“Global warming exacerbates a number of factors associated with fire," he said, adding that humidity is expected to decline over much of the continent particular in summer.
Read the full article here
Too dangerous for prescribed burns
The thing is, as climate change kicks in it becomes more difficult to do any hazard reduction burns as has happened in NSW.
You can read more articles by Peter Hannam in the environment section here and in the business section here.
Saturday, August 10, 2013
Anthony Watts sez an ice age cometh while Europe melts and the Arctic burns
Sou | 9:06 PM Feel free to comment!No, Anthony - it's not the sun!
What did I say about Anthony rarely writing anything himself? Here he is crowing about an article that a denier wrote for a Danish newspaper, saying:
Major Danish Daily Warns: “Globe May Be On Path To Little Ice Age…Much Colder Winters…Dramatic Consequences”!Not "scientists warn" or "NOAA warns" or "solar experts warn". No, Anthony's picked up a blog article from another crank conspiracy theorist (of the climate science is a hoax variety) who goes by the name of Pierre Gosselin. Pierre is reporting an article in a Danish newspaper that apparently features a couple of climate science denying skeptics.
Anthony Watts of WUWT gets weirder every day. While a heat wave grips part of Europe and Asia and fires rage in Northern Siberia, he reckons an ice age is coming! Anthony's gone barmy alright.
Meanwhile, in Europe and China, it's very hot
Anthony isn't reporting this. I wonder why? (My bold italics)A historic heat wave is underway in Central Europe, where both both Austria and Slovenia set all-time national heat records on August 8. Three locations in Austria passed the 40°C (104°F) mark, beating the former national record of 39.9°C (103.8°F) set just last week, on August 3rd at Dellach im Drautal.
According to the Austrian met service, ZAMG, the hottest spot was Bad Deutsch-Altenburg, with a 40.5°C (104.9°F) reading. Slovenia also surpassed its national heat record on August 8, with a 40.8°C (105.4°F) reading at Cerklje ob Krki (former record: 40.6°C (105.1°F) at Crnomelj on July 5, 1950.) Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia, has broken its all-time heat record five of the past six days, with each day hotter than the previous record. The newest record is the 40.2°C (104.4°) recorded on August 8th. Records go back 150 years at this station.
China's most populous city, Shanghai, broke its all-time record for hottest temperature on record for the second time this summer on August 7, when the mercury topped out at 40.8°C (105.4°F). The previous record was set just the day before (40.6°C/105.1°F), and also on July 26th.Read more from Jeff Masters at WeatherUnderground
Northern Siberia Wildfires
Nor is he reporting the fires in Northern Siberia (my bold italics):
This unique summer for Northern Siberians brings Mediterranean temperatures but also 'out of control' blazes. Norilsk - one of Russia's coldest cities - basked in temperatures of 33C, as locals stripped off to catch a genuine Arctic tan, as we reported earlier.
As NASA noted, the cause was a 'blocking high' - a persistent high pressure weather pattern over the Russian Arctic.
For a few glorious summer days, the temperatures doubled from an average of 16C, but this also dried the land and led to wildfires, for example in the mainly Arctic autonomous district of Yamal-Nenets.
'The fires are burning in an unusual area. Most summer wildfires in Siberia occur south of the 57 degrees North latitude line, along the southern edge of the taiga. The July 2013 fires are significantly north of that, raging in woodlands near the 65 degrees North line,' said one report.
'High temperatures play an important role in promoting wildfires.
'Warm fuels burn more readily than cooler fuels because less energy is required to raise their temperature to the point of ignition. With temperatures soaring in northern Russia, it was easier for previously active fires to continue burning and for lightning to spark new ones.'Read more in the Siberian Times.
And more here from NASA:
The summer of 2012 was the most severe wildfire season Russia had faced in a decade. 2013 might be headed in the same direction after an unusual heat wave brought a surge of fire activity in northern Siberia in July.
A persistent high-pressure weather pattern in the Russian Arctic—a blocking high—contributed to the heat wave, which saw temperatures reach 32° Celsius (90° Fahrenheit) in the northern city of Norilsk. For comparison, daily July highs in Norilsk average 16° Celsius (61° Fahrenheit). Blocking highs are so named because they block the jet stream from moving rain-bearing weather systems along their normal west-to-east path; this leads to “stuck” weather patterns with long periods of stable air and exceptional heat.
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Friday, April 26, 2013
Unreasonably "Reasonable" - Uncertainty is No Monster - Live with It or Die by It
Sou | 6:00 PM Feel free to comment!Or ... Why Judith Curry is Wrong
A major bushfire is heading straight for your home, getting bigger and faster and fiercer by the minute, fueled by wind and dry vegetation. The fire front is about 900 meters away. You can hear the roar, it's creating its own wind. You can see the glow through the thick pall of smoke that's covered the sky. The daylight is a weird colour, orange-pink - almost peach-coloured. You can't breathe properly, it smells of burning leaves. You can see the embers falling ahead of the fire. You can hear the loud bangs as trees explode in the heat and flames. You know from past fires something of what to expect, including the unexpected.
Your sister from a city a thousand miles away phones you and says, "It's not certain the fire will hit you, is it?" Sis has always had a Pollyanna streak. She is afraid for us and is seeking reassurance.
The weather bureau reports a 30% probability of a change in wind direction but not until some time later in the day, with a 10% probability of light rain.
Which of these responses would you regard as 'sensible'?
Which of these responses would you regard as 'sensible'?
- Dump tonnes of kerosene in the fire's path, leaving a trail of kerosene leading straight to your back door?
- Don't take any action at all. Wait until you have more information?
- Send out helicopters, fire trucks with fire retardant to try to contain the blaze and pack up your car with family members, pets and whatever you can grab and get the hell out of there?
Too many people argue for the first response. Keep adding fuel to the fire. Keep pouring CO2 into the atmosphere. Wait until it's 100% certain that the wind won't change in time and stop the fire's momentum. Continuing to add fuel to the fire is the way to go until we can better 'scope' the uncertainty, they will argue.
A few people will argue for number two. Don't add any more fuel to the fire but otherwise don't do anything until you know more. Close all coal-fired power stations immediately. Shut down the oil refineries. But don't go building wind turbines or electric vehicles. Don't plan for higher sea levels. Don't go changing building codes. Don't shore up water storage for future droughts.
Others will argue for the third option. Change the source of energy away from fossil fuels and adapt to what climate change will bring. Minus the "getting the hell out of there". (People who live in the bush will have their fire plan ready each summer, their valuables and pet cages at hand, their fire retardant clothes in their emergency kit along with a mask and water, and their fire escape route planned out.)
A few people will argue for number two. Don't add any more fuel to the fire but otherwise don't do anything until you know more. Close all coal-fired power stations immediately. Shut down the oil refineries. But don't go building wind turbines or electric vehicles. Don't plan for higher sea levels. Don't go changing building codes. Don't shore up water storage for future droughts.
Others will argue for the third option. Change the source of energy away from fossil fuels and adapt to what climate change will bring. Minus the "getting the hell out of there". (People who live in the bush will have their fire plan ready each summer, their valuables and pet cages at hand, their fire retardant clothes in their emergency kit along with a mask and water, and their fire escape route planned out.)
What do you think about that? What path would you recommend?
And Curry herself, IMO misrepresenting scientific uncertainty, its nature, how it is scoped and quantified, and the relative importance of different aspects of science and the relevance of different aspects to government policy development - and building her own strawmen. Even though she states clearly up front that humans are causing global warming, she later implies that scientists are wrong to assert that humans are causing global warming, which is the scientific consensus, writing instead:
Nowhere else to go
Where I live there's a new classification of Code Red = Catastrophic fire warning. Code Red is beyond Extreme. When this is announced people are supposed to leave the area (not mandatory). Problem is, there's usually nowhere within 500 km that isn't in the Catastrophic fire zone. Just like with global warming. We've only got one earth.Seeking reassurance
Many climate science deniers appear to reject the evidence because they react like Sis did. They want reassurance. So much so that they seek it out. They lap up disinformation and hoard it like gold. They avoid or dismiss unpalatable facts as "alarmist". They can't cope with 'alarm'. Studies suggest the conservative brain is more responsive to fear. Although this confers some advantages it can also impede reason, resulting in poor judgement and 'wrong' decisions.There is always uncertainty
As anyone who's done any planning will tell you, there is always uncertainty. Uncertainty is not a monster. There is almost never only one "right answer". When facing something like a bushfire or climate change, the "wrongest" answer is to not act at all. Societal paralysis while climate change continues unabated. Geological history gives us insight into what to expect, including the unexpected. If we waited for 100% certainty about everything in the future, we'd never get out of bed in the morning.The "wrong" answer
To not act is as deliberate a decision as acting based on information at hand. It is the wrong response.Quit Shooting the Messenger! Demand Leadership from Leaders!
This post was inspired by reactions to Judith Curry's recent written and oral testimony to a US House of Reps subcommittee. For example:Shifting goal post alert: The real question that must be settled before any policy actions are taken to address the postulated threat from human-induced global warming is ....(insert shifting goal posts here)
Strawman construction 1:...suggesting (to me) a much more cautious approach to emissions reduction than has been adopted in Australia and elsewhere....Of course, I regard “cautious” as not taking extensive and costly action without more convincing evidence as to the merits of such action, others might interpret it as pre-emptive large-scale precautionary reductions.
Strawman 2: ...Those who posit that there is one (a problem), which requires remedial action, have to show empirical evidence that they know what the hell they are talking about – BEFORE they request any action be taken.
And Curry herself, IMO misrepresenting scientific uncertainty, its nature, how it is scoped and quantified, and the relative importance of different aspects of science and the relevance of different aspects to government policy development - and building her own strawmen. Even though she states clearly up front that humans are causing global warming, she later implies that scientists are wrong to assert that humans are causing global warming, which is the scientific consensus, writing instead:
Given these uncertainties, there would seem to be plenty of scope for disagreement among scientists. Nevertheless, the consensus about dangerous anthropogenic climate change is portrayed as nearly total among climate scientists. Further, the consensus has been endorsed by all of the relevant national and international science academies and scientific societies.
I have been trying to understand how there can be such a strong consensus given these uncertainties....
...When uncertainty is not well characterized and there is concern about ‘unknown unknowns,’ there is increasing danger of getting the wrong answer and optimizing for the wrong thing.
And her over-simplification of decision-making pitfalls mixed with a bright red herring. No, Judith, neither of these hits the nail on the head:
Businesses wants a consistent policy direction. The science is settled but the policy response, where it exists, is fragmented. The corporate sector hates a policy vacuum. Investors look for clear guidance. The community elects leaders to lead, not fiddle while the bush burns.
Curry confirms that there is a raging bushfire, that we run the risk of it burning down the house. She can see the fire bearing down. Everyone else can see the fire raging and heading in their direction. But instead of calling for a plan of action to deal with the very real fire, she turns around and says:- "Well, maybe that bushfire we can all see bearing down on us isn't real. It's red and it's hot and it's got flames and lots of white and black and yellow smoke, and it's leaving burnt forests and grasslands in its wake. Just the same, I think it needs more analysis. We need more measurements. We need more temperature readings, to examine the smoke, analyse the smoke particles, confirm that those flames are really flames. Build another model. We need to make sure it really is a bushfire before we start to think about getting out of its path or putting it out! Meanwhile, let's add more kerosene."
IMO Judith confirms her adopted role as that of 'delayer', who wants to keep the bushfire burning by pouring tonnes kerosene onto it, under the guise of "waiting for certainty" about what is already certain.
There are two situations to avoid: i) acting on the basis of a highly confident statement about the future that turns out to be wrong; and ii) missing the possibility of an extreme, catastrophic outcome. Avoiding both of these situations requires much deeper and better assessment of uncertainties and areas of ignorance, as well as creating a broader range of future scenarios than is currently provided by climate models.I strongly disagree with Curry. The main situation to avoid is that of waiting till it is too late. Waiting until options are reduced to all but a few. Waiting until atmospheric CO2 gets so high that there are no choices left to humanity. Waiting until climate change wreaks havoc and destabilises economies such that we can no longer afford to take action. Or worse, waiting until there are no longer coherent societies or stable governments that can see actions through to completion. There are a myriad of actions that can be taken now, which won't be "wrong" in any sense of the word.
Leaders, take responsibility! Certain science, uncertain policy response
The biggest sin Curry commits is that of pointing her finger at science, rather than at the leaders, the rule-makers, the legislators. The uncertainty is in the policy response, not the science. The science is settled more than adequately to inform policy decisions. Legislators' efforts need to go towards determining what paths to follow, what suite of policy responses and programs to implement. It's not the science that's uncertain in this context.Businesses wants a consistent policy direction. The science is settled but the policy response, where it exists, is fragmented. The corporate sector hates a policy vacuum. Investors look for clear guidance. The community elects leaders to lead, not fiddle while the bush burns.
Curry confirms that there is a raging bushfire, that we run the risk of it burning down the house. She can see the fire bearing down. Everyone else can see the fire raging and heading in their direction. But instead of calling for a plan of action to deal with the very real fire, she turns around and says:- "Well, maybe that bushfire we can all see bearing down on us isn't real. It's red and it's hot and it's got flames and lots of white and black and yellow smoke, and it's leaving burnt forests and grasslands in its wake. Just the same, I think it needs more analysis. We need more measurements. We need more temperature readings, to examine the smoke, analyse the smoke particles, confirm that those flames are really flames. Build another model. We need to make sure it really is a bushfire before we start to think about getting out of its path or putting it out! Meanwhile, let's add more kerosene."
IMO Judith confirms her adopted role as that of 'delayer', who wants to keep the bushfire burning by pouring tonnes kerosene onto it, under the guise of "waiting for certainty" about what is already certain.
Wednesday, January 9, 2013
A Whopper of a Heatwave II: HotCopper Deniers
MobyT | 1:17 AM Feel free to comment!
Australia's heat wave is getting some attention. Not just here in Australia, we can't ignore it, but from elsewhere as well. It's a real doozy. You can read about it on MotherJones, and in the UK Guardian, The Telegraph and in many places on the blogosphere, like here and here.
One of the big problems is that we've had a lot of rain this past year or two - aka the 'big wet', when large areas of the continent were covered in water - to the north, south, east, west and in the centre of Australia. 2010-11 was the wettest summer on record in Victoria and in Darwin and no-one can forget the tragic loss of life in the Lockyer Valley when Queensland flooded in the same season. Once the water evaporated, sank into the ground or flowed to the sea the plants started growing again. (If you remember, the 'big wet' followed the 'great drought', which didn't end till 2010.) That means lots of fuel for fire.
In 2009 more than 179 people died in a fire that started in catastrophic conditions on a day known locally as Black Saturday. Most of us knew some of them or knew people who knew some of them. It was a bad day that affected the whole nation.
Now it's 2013 and in this 'big heat', fires have taken hold, burning out almost entire small towns and hamlets in Tasmania and continuing to rage in our island state as well as in many parts of the mainland. NSW had the worst fire danger conditions on record - and fires took hold and are still burning out of control.
One of the big problems is that we've had a lot of rain this past year or two - aka the 'big wet', when large areas of the continent were covered in water - to the north, south, east, west and in the centre of Australia. 2010-11 was the wettest summer on record in Victoria and in Darwin and no-one can forget the tragic loss of life in the Lockyer Valley when Queensland flooded in the same season. Once the water evaporated, sank into the ground or flowed to the sea the plants started growing again. (If you remember, the 'big wet' followed the 'great drought', which didn't end till 2010.) That means lots of fuel for fire.
In 2009 more than 179 people died in a fire that started in catastrophic conditions on a day known locally as Black Saturday. Most of us knew some of them or knew people who knew some of them. It was a bad day that affected the whole nation.
Now it's 2013 and in this 'big heat', fires have taken hold, burning out almost entire small towns and hamlets in Tasmania and continuing to rage in our island state as well as in many parts of the mainland. NSW had the worst fire danger conditions on record - and fires took hold and are still burning out of control.
Reaction from deniers
This blog pokes fun at the silliness that pervades a share trading site, HotCopper, from top management down. (It's a microcosm of the world that science deniers and conspiracy theorists inhabit, seeing the conservative old white male as its target market.) But there's nothing silly about the weather extremes in Australia over the past few years. There have been too many tragedies. Yet there are still a few people who simply cannot accept that our climate is changing. While the continent has been sweltering in a record heat event, they write things like this, in response to a post about this article from The Age about the record heat (bear in mind that these are posts on a Science and Medicine forum):You can grow things in 'Hot-Houses'... But you can NOT grow things in a Deep-Freezer. Birdman29
What a waste of bandwidth this thread is, started I notice by an alarmist, one of the group who tell us that science rules. Hanrahan, the resident troll, dismisses the freak conditions and its consequences as not worth writing about, as well as flaming the poster and denying science in the same keyboard attack.
Ever thought of simply making your point without denigrating those who don't accept your gloomy outlook? And more: Grow up, stop sulking, learn how to debate civilly. Troll Hanrahan again, king of denigration who often has sulking fits and will never learn how to 'debate'.
Do you think that it being summer could have anything to do with it? BenBradley, resident paranoid conspiracy theorist, disagrees with the Bureau of Meteorology. He thinks this freak heat wave is normal summer weather.
The Earth's climate varies. We need to adjust. astrayalien, recent winner of the HotWhopper dumbest post award, who thinks our atmosphere cools the planet rather than keeping it warm, but nevertheless thinks we will need to adjust. Yes we do!
People who go on about global warming because its hot outside during summer just show thier (sic) extreme ignorance re climate change. Idiots. From 'CO2 is plant food' muzzarati, who thanks god for poor, much maligned CO2.That sums up the majority of HotCopper S&M-ers. Not merely ignorant but wilfully ignorant and proud of it!
Monday, January 7, 2013
A Whopper of a Heat Wave (Updated again)
MobyT | 7:33 PM One comment so far. Add a commentWhat happened last year
The Bureau of Meteorology has released the Annual Climate Statement 2012. Some of the main points are:...Australia had near-average rain and above-average temperatures during 2012, but the average annual values conceal a year of contrasts:
- La Niña brought above-average rain early in 2012
- Reduced rainfall in winter and spring was associated with a warm central Pacific Ocean and positive Indian Ocean Dipole
- Annual nationally averaged rainfall very slightly above average, with 476 mm (1961–1990 average of 465 mm).
- A warmer-than-average year, 0.11 °C above average 2003–2012 the fifth-warmest 10-year period on record.
Enter 2013 - with a whopper of a heat wave
Burning Up
Hot weather means Australia is burning again. Particularly dangerous are the windy conditions experienced in south eastern Australia last Friday. As reported by Watching the Deniers, the results were tragic and the ABC reports it is looking very bad again today.Tomorrow, NSW is facing it's "worst ever fire danger day".
Here's a video about the Tassie fires from ABC 7.30 report, with incredible tales and images of people who survived by huddling in water under a jetty, including the story of a young mother from Dunally who'd just left her children with her grandparents while she went to a funeral in Hobart.
Here is today's record from Sentinel. You can see the horrific fires in Tasmania still going plus fires all over the country.
The red flames are the most recent 12-hour satellite sweep and the yellow flames are from the previous 12 to 24 hours.
HotCopper Delusions of an Ice Age
Despite this some HotCopper deniers, like Chrysalis here, think we're on the verge of an ice age.
The stupid it burns ...
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