Thursday, June 27, 2013

Has it ever been this hot in Helsinki even once since the Big Bang?

Anthony Watts of WUWT is mocking Seth Borenstein for tweeting about "jet stream weirding", saying that it was a tad warm in Helsinki for 5 o'clock in the afternoon.  Anthony reckons it's nothing unusual.  WeatherUnderground says otherwise (it's a new record max for the date) and is on the side of Mr Borenstein.

But never mind that.  What I picked up was a classic response in the comments.  How often have you seen a fake skeptic write a response like the one below from Otter:

Ryan says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:49 am  Seth needs to get it together and start reporting on the bug respiration. Like real Scientists do! 
But seriously, do you guys think that the jet stream hasn’t been wonky for the last few years? Because the people who study it do.
Otter says:
June 26, 2013 at 9:53 am Ryan~ please demonstrate your proofs that such things have NEVER happened before in the history of this planet.

Otter's response epitomizes Anthony Watt's post beautifully.  If something has happened even once before in the 4 plus billion years of Earth's history, it's not only not a "record", it's not even extreme.


  1. Commenter: According to NASA a large asteroid is currently hurtling towards Earth, with a likely disastrous impact somewhere in central Europe.

    Disciple of Watts: Commenter ~ please demonstrate your proofs that such things have NEVER happened before in the history of this planet.

  2. Ha! Reminds me of a recent exchange with a denier...

    Me: Two dead, tens of thousands evacuated as worst fire in Colorado State history spreads.

    Commenter: Of course, putting aside the "worst in history" which is blatantly untrue unless they were alive millions or billions of years ago...

    Me: *Facepalm*

  3. Wow, the State of Colorado gets seriously retroactive...

  4. Archangelsk yesterday +33.0° C, new June record. Unbelievable heatwaves (multiple including the record month of May) going on in Lapland.

    For Helsinki, actually south of the worst heat, it looks like this: .

    1. Wow. That's quite a departure from the "normal", cRR.

    2. Yes, Sou. But the (even more) real inferno is going on in the entire western half of the North American continent. Canada seems to be shaping up for a summer as 'normal' as the Russian inferno 2010 or Australia's 'Angry Summer'.

      This year a summer hemisphere has two hyperextremes, 'infernos', going on at the same time (e.g. Australia and parts of South Africa, South America half year ago). Between 2010 and 2012 there would be one hyperextreme on a hemisphere somewhere. Before that this century, one per couple years (most notably European summer 2003). And before that is was what it should be, like one such event per decennia or longer.

      This trend is why the 'C' belongs attached to 'AGW'. It is very alarming. And it is obviously driving the climate revisionists nuts.

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  5. If I'm not mistaken, June 19th, in 2,206,480,204 B.C. was hotter in Helsinki.

    Might have been the 20th.

  6. (deleted previous attempt to correct typo's)

    Yes, BBD, and that was the graph I was waiting for after Russia '10.
    Remarkably it is not a simple displacement by a value equal to global warming of a degree. The distribution shape is changing and much drama can be found in the +2K - +4K range, or +2-3 standard deviations. It means millenium events have about come into normal decennium range. This is simply another way of saying C(AGW).

    And we are not even yet talking precipitation phenomena.


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