tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post9076453807801442280..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: The Evolution of a 97% Conspiracy Theory - The Case of the Abstract IDsSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59890434683676004822015-04-02T19:59:43.262+11:002015-04-02T19:59:43.262+11:00Well look, another climate revisionist troll. Same...Well look, another climate revisionist troll. Same old pathetic. Remove that dirt.<br /><br />cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48147345386783261582015-04-02T13:21:35.470+11:002015-04-02T13:21:35.470+11:00Richard says that the errors are nor errors but he...Richard says that the <i>errors</i> are nor errors but he does not accept that the <i>errors</i> are not errorsPGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54864502718144682002015-04-02T12:12:15.424+11:002015-04-02T12:12:15.424+11:00@-EliRabett
"izen, you been taking Willard pi...@-EliRabett<br />"izen, you been taking Willard pills?"<br /><br />I suspect we have a similar source! -grin-izenhttps://izenmeme.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91350483013091508222015-04-02T11:24:04.265+11:002015-04-02T11:24:04.265+11:00izen, you been taking Willard pills?izen, you been taking Willard pills?EliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32085971852598097652015-04-02T09:10:36.807+11:002015-04-02T09:10:36.807+11:00Does Richard now accept that the 'errors' ...Does Richard now accept that the 'errors' in Cook's paper are not errors. The criticism were based on false assumptions and assigning of motivated thinking to Cook.<br />Richard, are you going to post a retraction of your previous statements. <br />Johnnyone234https://www.blogger.com/profile/09133401821288340258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91071068866581336042015-04-02T09:03:04.899+11:002015-04-02T09:03:04.899+11:00Yes, but the attack on MBH is a whole separate top...Yes, but the attack on MBH is a whole separate topic :-)<br />Whenever I unstack the current set of interrupts, I'll get back to the history started with <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/01/26/medievaldeception-2015-inhofe-drags-senate-dark-ages" rel="nofollow">MedievalDeception 2015: Inhofe Drags Senate Back To Dark Ages</a>, which I think has one of the more detailed histories of an infamous graph that climate flat-earthers cling to, including a map of the 20x30 mile piece of England represented.John Masheyhttp://www.desmogblog.com/user/john-masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31366215424614600772015-04-02T07:32:34.633+11:002015-04-02T07:32:34.633+11:00MBH98 is about 17 years old, has been replicated o...MBH98 is about 17 years old, has been replicated over and over, and is still a target.<br /><br />Creationists are still attacking Darwin's original work from the 19th century, using similar tactics.<br /><br />There's clearly no statute of limitations.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41451273443263267362015-04-02T06:26:53.698+11:002015-04-02T06:26:53.698+11:00Cook13 is only a few years old.
Fred Singer Recal...Cook13 is only a few years old. <br /><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/03/30/fred-singer-recalls-silly-attack-on-consensus" rel="nofollow">Fred Singer Recalls Silly Attack On Consensus And Naomi Oreskes By Klaus-Martin Schulte, Lord Monckton's Endocrinologist Front Man</a>.<br /><br />That was a 2007/2008 attack on Oreskes(2004), partly based on material from Benny Peiser's 2005 attack, which he was forced to withdraw entirely by 2006 ... thanks to Tim Lambert and others. Singer still thought it was relevant ... in 2014.John Masheyhttp://www.desmogblog.com/user/john-masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83743789314363644192015-04-02T02:26:48.239+11:002015-04-02T02:26:48.239+11:00"In my experience most people in social scien..."In my experience most people in social science research (undergrad or postgrad) don't learn database skills."<br /><br />Not to detract from the overall lessons of this thread (which are outstanding), but to somebody who teaches survey research and advanced statistics to social-science grad students, this doesn't work as a generalization. In many areas social scientists work with complex data structures and analytical methods. Tol's mistakes and misdirection using much simpler methods could be cited as bad examples.L Hamiltonhttp://pubpages.unh.edu/~lch/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76715740128357514332015-04-01T23:47:41.786+11:002015-04-01T23:47:41.786+11:00In my experience most people in social science res...In my experience most people in social science research (undergrad or postgrad) don't learn database skills. For what it's worth, I did a highly mathematically demanding undergrad and never touched such esoterics. I imagine that very few economists do either, and Tricky Dickie here certainly hasn't. John Cook clearly brought some pre-existing skills to his PhD and used them well, and to see Tricky Dickie deriding him as a "rookie" while showing his own ignorance, then calling John Cook "Cookie" just to be a knob really shows you what a complete bell end Richard is. <br /><br />At least Watts, Eisenbach and their lot are not scientists or published academics. They are standing on the outside screaming in. Richard is just a despicable piece of work, in comparison.Captain Flashheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7226261112451433412015-04-01T23:42:05.080+11:002015-04-01T23:42:05.080+11:00For a guy doing research and presumably teaching o...For a guy doing research <b>and presumably teaching others</b> in a profession where numbers are really kind of important, Tol's apparent innumeracy is quite staggering (and makes one wonder what a full scale "auditing" of his past papers would turn up - McIntyre will be on it any minute, I'm sure). His apparent towering incompetence in basic data matters - and in the kind of SQL considerations <b>that he himself implies</b> are taught to first year PhD students - casts almost as large a shadow.<br /><br />Or maybe he's just innumerate and data-incompetent when it comes to discussions of climate science...perhaps for reasons some commenters have outlined above?<br /><br />It is conceivable that this commenter Tol is not the real Tol - but since this commenter Tol appears to be much the same as the commenter Tol that has appeared on many other sites, you'd think the real Tol would have figured out by now that an impostor was busily trashing his professional reputation and kicked up a big stink, so that hypothesis is pretty unlikely.Lotharssonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47651818370083133362015-04-01T20:56:21.563+11:002015-04-01T20:56:21.563+11:00PG
Oh, the mask has slipped before...PG<br /><br />Oh, the <a href="https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2014/01/05/the-spirit-of-mawson/#comment-11392" rel="nofollow">mask has slipped before...</a>BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74051922226317683612015-04-01T20:36:26.857+11:002015-04-01T20:36:26.857+11:00KBO
One that got most of the way thru the article...KBO<br /><br /><i>One that got most of the way thru the article and was wondering "my god, what the hell is wrong with you?"</i><br /><br />Your reading comprehension is on a par with your general socialisation. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68527346966695276162015-04-01T15:06:25.484+11:002015-04-01T15:06:25.484+11:00By now many dozens of commenters have devoted many...By now many dozens of commenters have devoted many tens of thousands of words to rebutting Tol.<br /><br />I'm non sure he or his work is really worth the effort, really.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70307001266811155092015-04-01T14:33:33.025+11:002015-04-01T14:33:33.025+11:00Hope everyone reads your comment, Glenn. It's ...Hope everyone reads your comment, Glenn. It's the complete and utter demolition of Richard's final Recursive Fury. <br /><br />I must say, though, that given his past behaviour, Richard may well take what you've written and somehow try to spin it into a ridiculous Gish that he'll take a gallop at :(<br /><br />BTW - sorry for the delay - Google blogger choked.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25473918547443144802015-04-01T13:30:19.486+11:002015-04-01T13:30:19.486+11:00That's how I read it. I thought he was admitti...That's how I read it. I thought he was admitting he'd been too harsh in his judgement (but it's late so maybe I misread). Dan Andrewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12732509347477810998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21931952716250744532015-04-01T13:20:38.563+11:002015-04-01T13:20:38.563+11:00Sou has shown yet again her surgical precision in ...Sou has shown yet again her surgical precision in dissecting the projections of an ignorant denialist. Rather than working on a cadaver, She got to work on a live one in real time. With every cut he complained and remonstrated. His serial sequential bleating led to the real cause of his ills or malfeasance for all to see. It was not a pretty sight. I am sure after his 'operation' he will go home and complain how they did it all wrong. The peanut gallery of denialists with a combined IQ of less than 97 would all agree without any real evidence. I have run out of popcorn! BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-89244748954001129992015-04-01T13:20:16.079+11:002015-04-01T13:20:16.079+11:00Richard Tol said
"These aspects of research ...Richard Tol said<br /><br />"These aspects of research methods (database handling, automation, replication) are typically taught during the first year of a PhD, at least in the social sciences. Cook cannot be expected to have known these things, and we cannot hold it against him."<br /><br />Then in the social sciences, basic database techniques are obviously taught VERY VERY LATE in their training. In contrast database methods are part of standard UNDERGRADUATE training in IT professions. As with many aspects of the social sciences and economics, their practitioners often spend part of their careers playing catch-up to people from more technical disciplines.<br /><br />It may have missed your attention Richard but John Cook has been running a website called SkepticalScience (SkS) for nearly 10 years. <br /><br />A website that requires substantial database usage for everything it does. Every post, comment etc is stored in a database. <br /><br />And most of the SkS site was written by John Cook, including al the database development. Unlike many websites that are hosted on platforms such as Wordpress, SkS was developed from scratch by John Cook. <br /><br />John Cook has worked for many years in the past as a web-site developer, running a private business doing that. So he is no Rookie.<br /><br />Richard Tol on the other hand has demonstrated by his comments here that he actually is a total Rookie. Perhaps Richard actually missed the 'Introduction to databases' unit in his PhD.<br /><br />Richard, you might like to consider that the best thing you can do in this situation is to regard your self as a student who needs to learn from people who know more than you. <br /><br />Because your comments here suggest you have a lot to learn. If you were a candidate for a Bachelor's degree in Information Technology your lack of understanding demonstrated here would have resulted in you failing badly.<br /><br />Richard, you are the student, not the teacher. Close your mouth, open your ears and actually learn something. All you are doing at present is embarrassing the Universities you work for.Glenn Tamblynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75276817236622859812015-04-01T12:47:34.048+11:002015-04-01T12:47:34.048+11:00KBO:
"...judge the quality of piece of work...KBO:<br /><br /><br />"...judge the quality of piece of work by the care authors take handling the data."<br /><br />I'm sure KBO means the care that Cook took to ensure that no papers were duplicated in the database.<br /><br />/sarcdhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23645991541850157572015-04-01T11:45:13.200+11:002015-04-01T11:45:13.200+11:00I was about to make the very same comparison of Co...I was about to make the very same comparison of Cook13 with MBH98 that Rob made. The denialist brigades that are so offended by these two papers are desperate to find methodoligal flaws that render the results apparently completely ignorable, but they <i>ignore</i> the fact that many pioneering papers are necessarily unrefined in their execution because little work has gone before. By their logic any study that it not asymptotically optimised should be erased from the scientific literature - do so would remove essentially <i>all</i> of the scientific literature and there would be no "shoulders of giants"...<br /><br />Further, these denialists also ignore the fact that many such pioneering studies are extremely robust to any shortcomings that may actually exist. The consensus study is a classic example, and the small margin of error inherent does nothing to change the fact that its results closely mirror the experience and understandings of most scientists who are familiar with climate change matters. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is simply demonstrating that they are ignorant of the work and the workers in the discipline.<br /><br />But one thing is guaranteed. These folk will continue to promulgate their misrepresentations of the science even long after the temperature of the planet has consigned cohesive global society and ecosystem function to the annals of history.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1248055681512090462015-04-01T11:32:20.634+11:002015-04-01T11:32:20.634+11:00I have consumed 97.1% of my popcorn while watching...I have consumed 97.1% of my popcorn while watching this thread. Do I need to buy more or use a better method of measuring my consumed/remaining popcorn? BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8232203478818401872015-04-01T11:28:50.131+11:002015-04-01T11:28:50.131+11:00I am truly amazed, that anyone would continue to f...I am truly amazed, that anyone would continue to fight Cook13. Of what value to RT could it be? Paid to fight it? Hubris? Looking for someone to get mad enough to threaten him so he can take it denialist blog for profit? Perhaps I'm wrong, he keeps FTC because he get off on public humiliation. Long time lurker, first time poster.Drunk Country Doctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01982466061214432869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6449533749946176292015-04-01T11:22:12.139+11:002015-04-01T11:22:12.139+11:00There are two fundamental motivations that underpi...There are two fundamental motivations that underpin the behaviour of internet trolls: a desire for a response, and the attention of the target.<br /><br />My advice for the vacuously substanceless pap of such as the troll above it to simply delete the posts altogether. They add nothing to the discussion, not even in the sense of providing a denialist opinion, and responses are just giving him his jollies.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58027971941721485852015-04-01T11:06:27.034+11:002015-04-01T11:06:27.034+11:00Thanks, KR. That worked perfectly.
I imported th...Thanks, KR. That worked perfectly. <br /><br />I imported the data into excel using the comma delimiter, which meant I had to write a formula to concatenate the titles that had commas. Only took a few seconds. (Some titles had a lot of commas :D)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19373629738763224182015-04-01T10:49:26.667+11:002015-04-01T10:49:26.667+11:00KBO thinks I'm a "batshit crazy old woman...KBO thinks I'm a "<a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/11/paul-driessen-and-cfact-want-to-send.html?showComment=1416360068514#c8384860896427962737" rel="nofollow">batshit crazy old woman</a>", not just a "<a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/03/the-evolution-of-97-conspiracy-theory.html?showComment=1427829778721#c3298879849306629306" rel="nofollow">psychotic mad old biddy</a>". Whereas Professor Lewandowsky is merely a (gender-neutral) "<a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/11/confirming-lewandowsky-more-self-sealed.html?showComment=1415917555713#c4509947761116785427" rel="nofollow">wackadoodle</a>". <br /><br />(Any guesses as to whether KBO is a male or female? Any guesses as to age? No need to guess if KBO is a climate science denying sexist. George <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/11/nervous-or-stupid-laughter-from-wuwt-as.html?showComment=1416100564513#c9175469718951909058" rel="nofollow">has him sussed</a> :D)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.com