tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post8485923903204659791..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: More weird conspiracy theories at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53601413030470914802013-08-18T08:24:26.010+10:002013-08-18T08:24:26.010+10:00You might enjoy my comment:
http://www.desmogblog....You might enjoy my comment:<br />http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/07/12/murry-salby-sacked-australian-university--banned-national-science-foundation#comment-729434<br /><br />Jo Nova wrote something really silly, before I noticed it, then edited it away later. Fortunately, Watts coped the original version and posted it.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35548185403831674192013-07-18T09:35:54.921+10:002013-07-18T09:35:54.921+10:00Thanks, but in investigating further:
Here is Mor...Thanks, but in investigating further:<br /><br />Here is Morano, July 12, 2013 10:26 AM (US East Coast), and he got it from GWPF. This was the 7th post in a few days on Salby, as he seemed to be watching and copying quickly.<br /><br />http://www.webcitation.org/6IAcAXqQm<br /><br />July 12, 12:01am Sydney = (if I've done this right, ignoring Daylight Savings)<br />July 11, 02:01pm GMT (GWPF) =<br />July 11, 09:01am US EST (Morano)<br /><br />That implies that Morano (and probably GWEPF) waited a day, which is possible.<br />Alternatively, July 12 12:00am could have meant July 12 11:59am, in which case Peiser could hjve gotten it in UK afternoon of 12th and Morano and hour and a half after Lloyd's article.<br /><br />This is not a big deal, interesting mostly to calibrate propagation speed.<br /><br /><br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47984085162367447332013-07-18T06:05:24.227+10:002013-07-18T06:05:24.227+10:00To clarify - the days edition would have been the ...To clarify - the days edition would have been the 12 July morning edition but on the internet it comes out at midnight before the morning edition.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53533802105625640572013-07-18T06:03:13.698+10:002013-07-18T06:03:13.698+10:00John, The Australian publishes its lead stories at...John, The Australian publishes its lead stories at midnight. If you think of it as one minute after midnight on the 12 July Australian eastern time (Sydney/Melbourne time). It usually posts a flurry of tweets announcing each main story.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90736564607560445492013-07-18T05:21:31.776+10:002013-07-18T05:21:31.776+10:00Help from Oz? I can probably dig this out, but ma...Help from Oz? I can probably dig this out, but maybe someone can save me time.<br /><br />As far as I know, the only mainstream news outlet to cover this was The Australian, i.e., Graham Lloyd's article:<br />http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/climate-chair-left-high-and-dry-by-uni/story-e6frgcjx-1226677907258<br /><br />It is nontrivial to check dates/times on stories/blogs (webservers tend to give local times, aren't necessarily located in same timezone as blog owner, daylight savings time or not is messy, half-hours are messy, Australian time zones are interesting.)<br />But, that piece had one more ambiguity,as it was dated:<br />July 12, 2013 12:00am. Argh.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight<br />SO, was that a minute later than July 11, 11:59pm or a minute after July 12 11:59pm?<br /><br />I.e., did people in Oz see it in AM of 12th or 13th?<br /><br />(Now, if only people used seconds since Jan 1, 1970, uniformly, or even just GMT, life would be easier :-))<br /><br /><br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41840893161300190022013-07-17T09:22:08.395+10:002013-07-17T09:22:08.395+10:00I'm analyzing the propagation of the story thr...I'm analyzing the propagation of the story through the blogosphere, especially the bozo section.<br /><br />Of course, there are sites, like Jo Nova's, WUWT or Bishop Hill that get plenty of comments and people reblog them.<br />Finally, the graphs tend to have arcs that end at sites where people mostly reblog, without much added content, are clearly eager for people to read and comment, but few comment, anye.<br /><br />One I ran across is a guy in Brisbane ... who seems to ahve about 20 blogs, listed at lower right.<br />http://australian-politics.blogspot.com/2013/07/dissident-scientist-fired-shades-of-old.html<br /><br />He reblogs Powerline, http://www.webcitation.org/6I9CHM2aN, which calls Tim Flannery a thug, and that ius written by Steven F. Hayward, who is: http://www.desmogblog.com/steven-f-hayward<br /><br />So, an AU story gets picked up by an American thinktanker (PhD in American Studies), who writes on this, and gets picked up by Brisbane guy. Never say there's a lack of international cooperation. :-)<br />Of course, GWPF reblogged the story in The Australian, etc.<br /><br /><br /><br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42481447734663475942013-07-17T06:58:56.577+10:002013-07-17T06:58:56.577+10:00By the way, for those of us who assemble chronolog...By the way, for those of us who assemble chronologies, one finds:<br />http://web.archive.org/web/20110220013934/http:/www.envsci.mq.edu.au/staff/ms/pubs.html<br /><br />“Salby, M, 2009: Fundamentals of Atmospheric Physics . International Geophysics Series, Academic Press, 2nd Edition (In Preparation)”<br />Funny, he claimed<br /><br />“6. During the protracted delay of resources, I eventually undertook the production of a new book – all I could do without the committed resources to rebuild my research program. The endeavor compelled me to gain a better understanding of greenhouse gases and how they evolve. Preliminary findings from this study are familiar to many.”<br /><br />But it seems he originally expected the book to be done in 2009, instead it was published 01/16/12.<br /><br /><br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87357210646220403842013-07-17T06:08:51.813+10:002013-07-17T06:08:51.813+10:00David: I assume you've checked out:
http://www...David: I assume you've checked out:<br />http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/07/12/murry-salby-galileo-bozo-or-p-t-barnum<br /><br />by now, but if not, you might look at the claims in the court cases, such as Salby's against CU in Federal court, the affadavits and motion for summary judgment (the 19-pager).<br />See also the one against state of Colorado in 2007 because he didn't like the court ruling in 2005.<br /><br />Some people in the blogosphere just do not bother to think or check. I'd never payed any attention to Salby, given that the non=anthropogenic claims was so silly, but when this popped up, it was so weird that my immediate thought was:<br /><br />1) He's been at Macquarie ~5 years. Where was he before? That doesn't take long to find.<br />Oh, he was a tenured professor @ UC Boulder for ~20 years.<br /><br />2) What?! UC Boulder is pretty strong in this turf, it has a long-established graduate program in this:<br />http://paos.colorado.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83&Itemid=215<br />(although oddly, Salby only supervised 2 PhD students (196 & 1997) 1993-2007.) <br /><br />NCAR is just up the hill, there are often collaborations. If one is doing atmospheric research, Boulder is one of the better places in the world, and the area is not such a bad place to work.<br /><br />Now, sometimes highly-rated long-tenured professors get "lured" away (as Jo Nova seemed to think)) or just decide they want to be somewhere else and can get a really good job there. For example, Naomi Oreskes has been at UCSD for 15 years (a very good school), but starts next Fall in History department that might be higher ranked, i.e., Harvard. CU to Macquarie didn't seem like that kind of move.<br /><br />It only takes a few searches to uncover a bit of the back history ... and a few other people did, but many did not.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61564149185503626362013-07-17T05:29:31.625+10:002013-07-17T05:29:31.625+10:00Thanks, that is useful.Thanks, that is useful.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27365191393812121132013-07-16T11:08:36.407+10:002013-07-16T11:08:36.407+10:00I was surprised to learn that he'd been debarr...I was surprised to learn that he'd been debarred by the NSF in 2009 after an investigation which found he:<br /><br />submitted significantly overlapped proposals to NSF and another federal agency; <br /><br />received compensation from NSF awards substantially in excess of approved budget amounts; <br /><br />overcharged NSF awards for indirect costs on a subcontract, and failed to disclose the subcontract to NSF; <br /><br />received payments for effort that he documented with questionable time and effort reports; <br /><br />and failed to comply with his University's conflicts of interest and financial disclosure policy.<br /><br />http://www.nsf.gov/oig/search/I06090025.pdf<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3965395769224830502013-07-16T09:36:00.843+10:002013-07-16T09:36:00.843+10:00"Jan-August 2007, he was on sabbatical in Aus...<i>"Jan-August 2007, he was on sabbatical in Australia, but I don't know where."</i><br /><br />Met Bureau, Melb. On 2 May 2007, he gave a talk at Melbourne Uni, advertised thus:<br /><br />Professor Murray Salby, Bureau of Meteorology<br />Research Centre, University of Colorado, USA<br />Interannual Changes of Stratospheric Temperature<br />and Ozone: Relationship to Changes of the Global<br />Circulation (2 May)<br />Nick Stokeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377413236983002873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49162077336100076372013-07-16T00:56:17.908+10:002013-07-16T00:56:17.908+10:00Was Salby "lured" to AUstralia?
Well:
1)...Was Salby "lured" to AUstralia?<br />Well:<br />1) There's a 1999 paper:<br />1999 paper by Andrew C. Fusco, ML Salby, <br />http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0442%281999%29012%3C1619:IVOTOA%3E2.0.CO%3B2, <br />Interannual Variations of Total Ozone and Their Relationship to Variations of Planetary Wave Activity.<br />Received March 9, 1998, revised April 12, 1998 <br />Fusco then at Harvard (1998-2003)<br />Salby then at Bureau of Meteorology Research Centre, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (but permanent = CU)<br /><br />I think that was his first sabbatical.<br /><br />Jan-August 2007, he was on sabbatical in Australia, but I don't know where. On 01/03/07, he sued State of Colorado ^ Bill Ritter for $275K, because he objected to a 2005 ruling on appeal of his earlier divorce settlement. Cited 4th, 5th and 14th amendments.<br />Case dismissed by May 2007, because he refused to show up or cooperate with court. Sound familiar? <br /><br /> John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66399241689282178162013-07-14T17:23:51.056+10:002013-07-14T17:23:51.056+10:00Well, the honesty/dishonesty aspect is somewhat re...Well, the honesty/dishonesty aspect is somewhat relevant, I think. It shows that he at least is capable of scientific fraud. Although, to commit scientific fraud you would first have to publish...Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72132028131028475172013-07-14T05:47:57.986+10:002013-07-14T05:47:57.986+10:00- KR
Keep in mind that Salbys personal/profession...- KR<br /><br />Keep in mind that Salbys personal/professional behavior is not relevant to the science - it's very relevant to his complaints about Macquarie <i>(in that he has been shown to have a history of poor teaching, of fraudulent grant-mining, of being fired)</i>. But not to his science. <br /><br />That, his science, demonstrates its absurdity all on its own. <br /><br />[ He claims warming releases CO2 from the oceans, not our emissions <i>(i.e., a variation on the "it's not our fault" myth)</i> - with 150 ppm from 0.8 C warming since the Industrial Revolution that requires a 180-190 ppm/C relationship. But CO2 variations over the ice age, with 5-6C temperature change, are about 60 ppm, a 10-12 ppm/C relationship. Hmm... time for a new hypothesis, Dr. Salby; those pesky facts disagree. ]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61654752313321895822013-07-13T19:06:29.278+10:002013-07-13T19:06:29.278+10:00> This is also great because Salby has been cau...> This is also great because Salby has been caught<br /><br />Yep, but let's remember the limited evidentiary value of one bad apple. <br /><br />Now, what is legitimately great is how all these other denialists are standing up for him...Martin Vermeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04537045395760606324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-60434556118129914802013-07-13T18:22:46.871+10:002013-07-13T18:22:46.871+10:00He comes across as untrustworthy. Looks increasing...He comes across as untrustworthy. Looks increasingly like he ran to Australia to avoid the possibility of a few days in court - sounds like what he did at Colorado was fraud but I'm no lawyer so could be mistaken - and his behaviour at Macquarie was petulant. I watched one of his talks on YT and have to agree with the students who rated him while at Colorado. He is boring, leaves lengthy pauses, humourless and his language was dull. And, of course, he is free to carry on his research and lectures anyway, just without a university affiliation.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5762692262214082512013-07-13T17:03:39.071+10:002013-07-13T17:03:39.071+10:00Maybe Josh can make another one about the NSF affa...Maybe Josh can make another one about the NSF affair? That might actually be funny! All he needs to do is to change the text in the <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/10/josh-on-the-salby-macquarie-university-affair/" rel="nofollow">old one</a>!Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21328548056892255272013-07-13T16:06:13.831+10:002013-07-13T16:06:13.831+10:00This is also great because Salby has been caught d...This is also great because Salby has been caught doing exactly what the denialists accuse "the team" of doing: profiting personally from research funding. Do you think they'll notice?<br /><br />If I was on the run from adverse findings of that severity in my home country, I would have thought it might be wise to be very, very cooperative with my employers in my new country. He's going to have to return to the USA now, and the IRS will be waiting for him ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23411644581317165912013-07-13T13:30:53.656+10:002013-07-13T13:30:53.656+10:00One could scarcely find a better illustration of t...One could scarcely find a better illustration of the *<i>cough</i>* 'skeptical' mindset than that thread at Jo Nova's. It's something straight from the world-beyond-satire...billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20117443241683093672013-07-13T13:02:17.000+10:002013-07-13T13:02:17.000+10:00I thought things were over for Salby once MU revea...I thought things were over for Salby once MU revealed that he had shirked his teaching duties as well as producing only two papers in 5 years. For a long-term academic that's extremely unsatisfactory performance, and it would be enough to show him the door with no recourse to appeal.<br /><br />John Mashey's forensic revelations render Salby's circumstance even more dismally tragic than it was previously. Salby should have just shut his mouth from the outset and slunk away...<br /><br />And Watts, Codling, Marohasy <i>et al</i> haven't exactly covered themselves in glory either.<br /><br />As with the whole denialist industry at large, it's all very sad.<br /><br /><br />Bernard J.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3781554772834146542013-07-13T12:14:39.977+10:002013-07-13T12:14:39.977+10:00oh no another Monckton law suit on the way ? . . ....oh no another Monckton law suit on the way ? . . . <br /><br />has anyone ever kept track of how often that clown has threatened scientists and universities with a law suit?<br /><br />Does he still refer to himself as Lord ?<br />Catmando, how's the saying go: with friends like that who needs enemies. ;- } citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77787796865615382612013-07-13T12:00:57.891+10:002013-07-13T12:00:57.891+10:00I'm not shy:
"10 July 2013
Macquarie Un...I'm not shy:<br /><br />"10 July 2013<br /><br />Macquarie University does not normally comment on the circumstances under which employees leave the University. However, we feel in this instance it is necessary to do so in order to correct misinformation.<br /><br />The decision to terminate Professor Murry Salby’s employment with Macquarie University had nothing to do with his views on climate change nor any other views. The University supports academic freedom of speech and freedom to pursue research interests.<br /><br />Professor Salby’s employment was terminated firstly, because he did not fulfil his academic obligations, including the obligation to teach. After repeated directions to teach, this matter culminated in his refusal to undertake his teaching duties and he failed to arrive at a class he had been scheduled to take.<br /><br />The University took this matter very seriously as the education and welfare of students is a primary concern. The second reason for his termination involved breaches of University policies in relation to travel and use of University resources.<br /><br /><br /><br />Read more: http://www.mq.edu.au/newsroom/2013/07/10/statement-regarding-the-termination-of-professor-murry-salby/#ixzz2Yt2su8Kr"citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50910807997160909422013-07-13T11:49:40.186+10:002013-07-13T11:49:40.186+10:00Oh, and, look, JM even provides links to another &...Oh, and, look, JM even provides links to another 'hilarious' Josh cartoon, featuring yet another stunningly incisive and not-at-all-samey caricature. <br /><br />billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85065753195213687382013-07-13T11:36:04.591+10:002013-07-13T11:36:04.591+10:00As a quick glance at the blogroll will reveal, the...As a quick glance at the blogroll will reveal, the whole Salby thing has recently got just that bit more interesting...<br /><br />billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91087251981540979492013-07-12T05:11:02.601+10:002013-07-12T05:11:02.601+10:00Tony occasionally reminds us that he lost his pare...Tony occasionally reminds us that he lost his parents to tobacco-related illness. Would it be insensitive to enquired whether their death certificates read "killed by cigarettes"?<br /><br />What a Doofus.Phil Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15744659873337514317noreply@blogger.com