tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post8427358448281065387..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: WUWT Weather Games: Coldest day since 1974 vs hottest several days since 1906.Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-327017678296864372014-01-06T19:08:03.173+11:002014-01-06T19:08:03.173+11:00Actually, the LIA, such as it was, was at least pa...Actually, the LIA, such as it was, was at least partly caused by humans, i. e., the 50Mperson die-off in the Americas, that caused a massive reforestration and a unique CO2 drop ~1525-1600AD, as per <a href="http://oi39.tinypic.com/if0m5g.jpg" rel="nofollow">Law Dome CO23.</a> *after* that, Maunder Minimum and lower solar insolation.<br />of course, given snow-albedo feedback, one would expect to see far more temperature drop in places like N. Europe than nearer the Equator.<br /><br />Of course, the Earth's CO2 levels have not been entirely natural 8,000 years. The Medieval Warming (such as it was) was human-caused, too, since CO2 levels would have been at least 20ppm lower without humans around, and CH4 would also have been.<br /><br />See great new book, Bill Ruddiman's <a href="http://www.whfreeman.com/Catalog/product/earthtransformed-ruddiman/tableofcontents" rel="nofollow">Earrth Transformed.</a><br />Sadly, his 2013 AGU Tyndall Lecture video on this is not easily available.<br /><br /><br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18924420758553453072014-01-05T10:58:35.538+11:002014-01-05T10:58:35.538+11:00Anonymous. It's a fair enough question.Just be...Anonymous. It's a fair enough question.Just because it is almost as hot this week as way back in 1896 doesn't by itself prove anything as you seem to be suggesting. But there are lots of ways to measure if it is generally getting warmer and one-day heat records are far from the best.<br /><br />Consider national average temperature and trend, the number of heat waves per year, number of high temperature records set, number of days over 40º , plus other measures like sea surface temperatures, ocean heat content etc. etc. There's abundance evidence worldwide of gradually rising temperatures. <br /><br />As you note one hot week doesn't prove anything, but then again neither does one cold night in International Falls.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40762798847715562622014-01-04T23:53:59.342+11:002014-01-04T23:53:59.342+11:00You answered your own question in your article. I...You answered your own question in your article. It's weather. Global warming doesn't mean there has never been any hot weather before. What it means is that adding ever more greenhouse gases is heating up the entire world.<br /><br />I think I was on the money when I suggested what I did. Your question once again suggests you reject the greenhouse effect. Am I wrong?Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44048490809258711422014-01-04T23:07:16.104+11:002014-01-04T23:07:16.104+11:00“Or you could show us your workings for why you th...“Or you could show us your workings for why you think that there is no such thing as a greenhouse gas and then give us your explanation for why earth isn't a frozen wasteland.”<br /><br />Did I say that there was no such thing as greenhouse gas? No I didn't, you added that bit, please don't try to attribute comments to me that I have not made, it is a dodgy and thoroughly transparent tactic. What I would prefer is your explanation as to why , given that we are constantly told that “greenhouse gas is the major driver of climate change” and that is a given fact that atmospheric CO2 has increased markedly over the past century, why were temperatures recorded over 100 years ago that were as hot if not hotter than the 102F-114F that you so alarmingly reported in your post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88049856973629981292014-01-04T22:25:07.911+11:002014-01-04T22:25:07.911+11:00I see you've done some research. CO2 wasn'...I see you've done some research. CO2 wasn't as high then as it is now. I'm guessing that maybe what you're trying to say, but could have used fewer words, is that it was hot somewhere sometime in the past therefore global warming can't be caused by greenhouse gases - or something equally illogical.<br /><br />Come back when you've got a decade as hot globally as the last decade. Or even a year as hot globally as any of the past ten years.<br /><br />http://hotwhopper.com/Images/GISTemp.png<br /><br />Or you could show us your workings for why you think that there is no such thing as a greenhouse gas and then give us your explanation for why earth isn't a frozen wasteland.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71311540770946392292014-01-04T21:37:12.604+11:002014-01-04T21:37:12.604+11:00“Australia is reporting massive areas only now get...“Australia is reporting massive areas only now getting relief from a wave of heat that emerged in the west on Boxing day and shifted across the continent. It brought temperatures in the low to high forties (102ºF to 114ºF) to large parts of Australia”<br /><br />Wow! Almost as hot as is was back in 1896 then!<br /><br />The Western Champion and General Advertiser for the Central-Western Districts <br />Tuesday 28 January 1896 <br />Archived here:<br />http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/79762915 <br /><br />Isisford, Friday.<br />Extreme heat has been recorded here this week. The thermometer on Monday rose to 114 degs., on Tuesday to 112 degs., on "Wednesday 115 degs., and to-day 118 degs. The country is very bare and the water is giving out fast.<br />THARGOMINDAH, Thursday.<br />Five sudden deaths have occurred in the district—all attributed to the severe heat.<br />CUNNAMULLA, Friday.<br />The heat has increased since Tuesday last, with unbearably hot nights. The official record showed a reading on Tuesday of 111 degs. in the shade, on Wednesday 116 degs., and today 117 degs<br />CHARLEVILLE, Friday <br />Observations taken at Grosvenor Bank, situated immediately over one of the main holes of the Warrego river, shows a shade maximum temperature of over 110 degrees daily since the 31st December, except on three days, when 105 degrees was touched or exceeded. Yesterday 120.5 degrees was reached and today 126 degrees. The average daily temperature from the 1st instant exceeded 114 degrees <br /><br />Launceston Examiner Saturday 25 January 1896<br />Archived here:<br />http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39625389 <br />SYDNEY, FRIDAY. <br />The heat continued unabated in all parts of the colony yesterday, and a large number of inland stations recorded up to 120 in the shade. This intense heat is due to the prevalence of a strong north-east and northerly wind. The ground is now so thoroughly heated that at midnight the thermometer in several towns registered up to 105deg. At Wilcannia last evening the thermometer recorded 123 in the shade, <br /><br />Telegrams received last night from the country districts show that the heat had been exceptional. Mildura reported 120 in the shade, Swan Hill 116, and over thirty other districts reported heat ranging from 104 to 115 in the shade. <br /><br />The West Australian Monday 6 January 1896 <br />Archived here:<br />http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3076152<br /><br />MULLEWA, January 5.<br />During the past fortnight the hot weather has been very trying. On Thursday last the, thermometer rose to 121deg in the shade, and the temperature has daily averaged from 112deg to 118deg.<br />CARNARVON, January 5.<br />During the past fortnight most intense heat has been experienced here. The thermometer has ranged from 110 to 116 in the shade during that period, and at Brick house station it was 121 in the shade on Friday, last. It is farther reported that the mercury has been up as high as 125 in the shade there.<br />GUILDFORD, January 5TH.<br />The heat during the past few days, for its continuance, has been unprecedented. Thurs- day's heat was the most intense. The thermometer for that day, in the shade, registered 116. Friday's record was 118, Saturday 109 ;<br />Barrier Miner Tuesday14January 1896 <br />Archived here:<br />http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44132383<br />THE HEAT WAVE.<br />A Sydney-side " Black Monday."<br />" A Scorcher" Everywhere.<br />Death and Distress.<br />SYDNEY, Monday.<br />January 13 will be long remembered as New South Wales' "Black<br />Monday."<br /><br />The following list shows how wide- spread was the area of high temperature within this colony <br /><br />Kiama .. 117 <br />Mulgoa ... 113 <br />Moruya ... 110 <br />Nowra ... 114 <br />Nymagee .. 115 <br />Parramatta ... 111 <br />Penrith ... 112 <br />Quirindi ... 120 <br />Wollongong... 110 <br />Bega ... 110 <br />Condoblin ... 116 <br /><br />Chronicle Saturday 25 January 1896 <br />Archived here:<br /><br />http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/87303529<br /><br />HEAT IN THE COUNTRY.<br />Halbury, January 23.— The heat registered in the shade to-day was:— 9 a.m., 106°: 10 a.m., 110° ; and 2 p.m., 118°.<br /><br />There must have been lots of that nasty CO2 stuff in the atmosphere back then surely, or was that just weather?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7031950930373485312014-01-04T14:28:07.916+11:002014-01-04T14:28:07.916+11:00Too true CCR. The climate change denialism is part...Too true CCR. The climate change denialism is part of a decaying intellectual landscape.<br /><br />What we have in Australia is an intellectual decline and shut down in politics. Years of factional inbreeding, and outsourcing of policy to business lobbyists has left a void in the national conversation. Our politicians are nearly mute and distinctly uncomfortable in public. What 'communication' remains are orchestrated me-too attacks on public broadcasting, international co-operation through the UN and political refugees.<br /><br />There are no convincing communicators, no visionaries, no unifiers and explainers left, simply hacks mouthing the wretched vacuities amd sound-bites of cynical ex-journalists and right-wing interns.<br /><br />Abbott disappeared science, hiding the science ministry and encouraging uniformed business cronies to mutter crazily on climate matters. Abbott is a halting somewhat inept public performer, Science, the environment, sustainable economics are beyond his reach as a communicator..so out they go.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9013843842938707482014-01-04T03:55:59.456+11:002014-01-04T03:55:59.456+11:00Hi Sou,
Expect a blizzard of incoming "colde...Hi Sou,<br /><br />Expect a blizzard of incoming "coldest ever" stories out of the US in the coming week. The polar vortex appears to be breaking down, a predicted consequence of Arctic amplification.<br /><br />See here for an accurate precis:<br /><br />http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-outbreak-when-the-north-pole-came-to-ohio-16906<br /><br />idunnoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86661876142038721002014-01-04T03:44:58.044+11:002014-01-04T03:44:58.044+11:00Don,
Agree in principle, and I try to stick to th...Don,<br /><br />Agree in principle, and I try to stick to the facts. However, some of us have seen Karen and his ilk destroy Deltoid. Our antipathy to this character is not just based on HW posts.<br /><br />PLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38243396714624816302014-01-04T01:22:59.779+11:002014-01-04T01:22:59.779+11:00I agree with the moderation, but not with the name...I agree with the moderation, but not with the namecalling toward Karen (or whoever he/she is). Our "side" will look better if we take the high road and let the denialists revel in nastiness. There's no loss in <i>politely</i> ushering such people to the door.Don Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379725341973886243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62645403393531362932014-01-03T22:58:09.423+11:002014-01-03T22:58:09.423+11:00"... in a world that is still rebounding from..."... in a world that is still rebounding from the LIA." At best, this statement is effectively a model (shock! horror!) that is analogous to a spring pendulum cyclical return to some equilibrium position and, at worst, is non-scientific as it is an oversimplification. But it has given me food for thought as I sit here contemplating my champagne "rebounding from its own LIA" in the ice bucket - the consequence of energy transfer and not the result of the champagne's desire to recover from its cold temperature. And as I look out across the seascape, the ocean is still "rebounding" from the low tide. On a similar note, my bank balance fits the "still rebounding from the Christmas and New Year" genre. So the "rebounding" argument is facile without elaboration.<br />Furthermore, there are basic flaws in the statement "… in a world that is still rebounding from the LIA." as it includes the assumptions that the LIA was (a) a globally synchronous event - which it wasn't and (b) had a well-defined ending date - which it doesn't. (Actually, Greg Hunt, Australian Minister for the Environment, would be able to confirm those last two points from his favourite reference source.) Therefore, the "rebounding" argument is vacuity personified as is the use of value-laden phrases such as "fervent cultist meme".<br />George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49998291315578148732014-01-03T21:27:33.267+11:002014-01-03T21:27:33.267+11:00Quote sourced from http://thinkprogress.org/climat...Quote sourced from http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/01/02/3111171/australia-new-year-heat-wave/ .cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70682816394221764352014-01-03T21:26:45.182+11:002014-01-03T21:26:45.182+11:00"While the impacts of the record-breaking hea..."While the impacts of the record-breaking heat are painfully apparent to Australians, since the election of Prime Minister Tony Abbott in September, those in power have chosen to pretend the problem doesn’t exist. As prime minister, Abbott has abandoned the country’s emissions target, made efforts to repeal Australia’s carbon emissions trading scheme and dissolved the country’s climate commission.<br /><br />While Australia is red hot going into the New Year, Abbott’s approval ratings are rock bottom. And with Abbott choosing to surround himself with people such as his top business adviser, Maurice Newman, who last week argued that Australia had fallen “hostage to climate change madness,” both trends are likely to continue." <br /><br />What a laugh. What electoral hypocrisy. <br />Too late, Aussies, you pays your money and you takes your choice. Let Abott sit and your country burn. cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52042290529821389342014-01-03T19:51:55.157+11:002014-01-03T19:51:55.157+11:00*whew**whew*cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20718215743959595292014-01-03T19:50:10.430+11:002014-01-03T19:50:10.430+11:00Buenos Aires smashed the December average record, ...Buenos Aires smashed the December average record, was 25.5° C in 1994, with almost an sd to 26.6° C. Dec 2012 is now ex aequo with the hottest month measured there, January 1989. <br />Records as of 1856.<br /><br />For every area with below average temps there is a ten times bigger area with extreme warmth.<br />For every area skirting record cold, there is a ten times bigger area smashing their absolute heat records.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75990502848201850372014-01-03T18:53:01.830+11:002014-01-03T18:53:01.830+11:00Thanks to KarenMackSunspot (and was he/she also ca...Thanks to KarenMackSunspot (and was he/she also called _Jim yesterday?) for reminding us what climate change deniers are all about: delusions, lies, and a startling lack of intelligence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67603793790053048712014-01-03T18:32:12.732+11:002014-01-03T18:32:12.732+11:00I agree. Deltoid used to be a wonderful site; at ...I agree. Deltoid used to be a wonderful site; at one stage it was the first blog I looked at each morning. It has now been dragged into the gutter by the childish posts of the denialists, of which Karen (in his various guises) is the worst. I admire the tenacity of those who continue to rebut them there, but I'd really regret it of HW went the same way.<br /><br />GWB's NemesisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65440155834130025162014-01-03T18:09:57.710+11:002014-01-03T18:09:57.710+11:00Good riddance. Deltoid is one site I no longer vis...Good riddance. Deltoid is one site I no longer visit because it has been destroyed by trolls like Karen. I don't want to see this blog go the same way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57295291030812868372014-01-03T17:37:08.808+11:002014-01-03T17:37:08.808+11:00I'm preparing an article on climate models, dr...I'm preparing an article on climate models, drawing on the IPCC report among other sources. There was an excellent article at ArsTechnica recently that I highly recommend for people like me who don't work with them and only know what we read about them.<br /><br />http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/09/why-trust-climate-models-its-a-matter-of-simple-science/Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22234186057833227662014-01-03T17:33:09.551+11:002014-01-03T17:33:09.551+11:00So now not only do we have "Look! A squirrel ...So now not only do we have "Look! A squirrel stuck in Antarctica!" we also have "Look! A squirrel shivering in Internation Falls!". It's a wonder WUWTers can contain their excitement.<br /><br />Oh look, they can't.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-604740115118894882014-01-03T17:32:24.229+11:002014-01-03T17:32:24.229+11:00For the record, Karen is no longer welcome here fo...For the record, Karen is no longer welcome here for persistent and childish trolling, despite my best efforts to be accommodating.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27421571220975067292014-01-03T17:28:46.818+11:002014-01-03T17:28:46.818+11:00Ther is certainly much evidence in the science con...Ther is certainly much evidence in the science contradictory to your cult, which I suspect is that of Sol Invictus ("the Unconquered Sun", give or take).<br /><br />Climate models have been remarkably successful, particularly in their uncertainty estimates. Contrary to your cult's tenets, model projections of surface temperatures have encompassed the actual outcome, despite the unusual preponderance of La Ninas so far in the 21stCE. That's not likely to continue but even if it done the impact is already factored in - 2011 was the warmest La Nina year on record.<br /><br />Your Sun gods are taking a snooze and that's not helping you at all. Better start praying to Vulcan if you're hoping for any relief from the predicted warming, and the predicted droughts, floods, heatwaves, wildfires and pest excursions.<br /><br />I don't doubt you'll continue to believe that climate models are a failure; that is, after all, a tenet of the denier cult, carved in stone at its very inception. A truth so true it existed before climate models themselves. Religions can do that sort of thing, apparently, it's kinda spooky.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1446027669833138682014-01-03T17:12:38.307+11:002014-01-03T17:12:38.307+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75709116227279985332014-01-03T17:06:31.617+11:002014-01-03T17:06:31.617+11:00No problem, you provide a great service to the res...No problem, you provide a great service to the rest of us in reading WTFUWT so we don't have to. I read the lords post on chrismas and afterwards had to lay down because of the headache it gave me. Many thanks,<br /><br /><br />Mike from WpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91968410318490994872014-01-03T16:54:34.571+11:002014-01-03T16:54:34.571+11:00"Given you were there during the record heat ..."Given you were there during the record heat wave and fires in 2009, why do you tell fibs about Australia's string of heat records? It comes across as a mindless reaction to unpleasant reality."<br /><br />Sou the day that fire started was indeed a hot one, in the hottest part of the year, in a world that is still rebounding from the LIA.<br />CO2 emissions may be a small factor in the temperature rising, but there is much evidence in the science that is contradictory to the fervent cultist meme.<br />So many/all alarmist predictions have failed and the climate models are surely an embarrassment to the followers, so for the time being until there is definitive proof of a CO2 armageddon I will sit on the fence with my legs hanging on the opposite side to the cult science.<br /><br />KarenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com