tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post7792192758726844736..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Troposphere temperatures for May 2016Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84708269412273709802016-06-08T16:23:31.805+10:002016-06-08T16:23:31.805+10:00If they can no longer communicate with us, does th...If they can no longer communicate with us, does this mean Homo Libertarian is splitting into its own evolutionary niche separate from the rest of Homo Sapiens?MIllicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64644580725105902642016-06-08T12:45:08.078+10:002016-06-08T12:45:08.078+10:00I'd also assumed this was satire. Poe's La...I'd also assumed this was satire. Poe's Law indeed!billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30850664831052120042016-06-07T21:26:23.606+10:002016-06-07T21:26:23.606+10:00Sou, I see your point..
My point was more that Wer...Sou, I see your point..<br />My point was more that Werner must do some serious cherrypicking to arrive in the low 0.42 C/century estimate. He has to choose either a dataset no longer endorsed by its producers due to drifts, or an unpublished beta-product that has such a low TMT- and TLT-trend during the AMSU-period that it actually proves the elusive upper troposphere hotspot (ie the TTP-trend (tropopause layer) is higher).<br /><br />A "Werner"-practice with Gistemp loti would give a peak to peak trend of 2.9 C/century, or with Ratpac A 850-300 mbar, 3.3 C/century..Olof Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18244733455655978307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87607669170668230162016-06-07T04:30:08.811+10:002016-06-07T04:30:08.811+10:00@ Millicent
I took it that it was intended as a h...@ Millicent<br />I took it that it <i>was intended as a humorous pastiche of Republican lunacy</i> although I would not limit it to US Republicans. Other countries have <i>almost </i> as lunatic deniers.<br /><br />Unfortuntely Poe's Law applies so AO could have raving insane, er I mean, serious<br />jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87217957638145019042016-06-06T23:18:56.626+10:002016-06-06T23:18:56.626+10:00I'm still trying to figure out if the OP was i...I'm still trying to figure out if the OP was intended as a humorous pastiche of Republican lunacy.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87136329058661033152016-06-06T16:42:51.032+10:002016-06-06T16:42:51.032+10:00Lol @ Ayatolla Obama
I doubt it is his real name ...Lol @ Ayatolla Obama<br /><br />I doubt it is his real name either!!Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17664549869526728912016-06-06T13:02:05.989+10:002016-06-06T13:02:05.989+10:00Instead of taking comparisons between a pair of El...Instead of taking comparisons between a pair of El Nino events, it's really better to look at patterns of the ENSO behavior over the entire recorded history. <br /><br /><a href="http://contextEarth.com/2016/05/13/enso-phase-reversal/" rel="nofollow">http://contextEarth.com/2016/05/13/enso-phase-reversal/</a><br /><br />The problem with just a pair is that it can show agreement simply due to chance.<br /><br />@whuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297101284358849575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82462170048110379042016-06-06T10:40:51.614+10:002016-06-06T10:40:51.614+10:00You are desperately out of your depth here AO. Bef...You are desperately out of your depth here AO. Before you comment here again have a stab at understanding the discussion. <br /><br />Your comment was so mindless and offensive even (the new and improved) WUWT would have modded you out of existence.<br /><br />If you're looking to understand this planet through WND's lens then good luck mate. You are in desperate need of it.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24558338984056731232016-06-05T22:34:21.655+10:002016-06-05T22:34:21.655+10:00There's nothing wrong per se with making compa...There's nothing wrong per se with making comparisons between El Nino periods. What is wrong was when Werner wrote: "...which amounts to 0.42 C/century." What that says is that he's taken the difference between two five month averages and indicated that was the same as the long term temperature trend, which is not just silly, it's wrong. All he was actually showing was the difference between two short periods each of five months, not a trend. You could possibly use it to see the relative strength of El Nino's, except that you'd have to deduct the long term warming trend first. It would be a crude measure even then.<br /><br />The trend for RSS TTT (troposphere) is 1.8 C/century. For UAH TLT v6.05 beta is 1.2 C/century. Both are much higher than Werner's 0.42 C/century.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33893912619666503442016-06-05T19:50:09.469+10:002016-06-05T19:50:09.469+10:00I see nothing wrong in doing peak-to-peak comparis...I see nothing wrong in doing peak-to-peak comparisons between the recent el Nino and 1998. The recent el Nino is not stronger, it is similar in ONI but weaker in MEI, SOI, warm water volume, etc.<br />Thus, it is surprising that the peak to peak change in the surface indices (about 0.4-0.5 C, is larger than expected by the CMIP5 model average trend between 1998 and 2016.<br />The free troposphere 850-300 mbar show a peak to peak increase of 0.6 C, according to the Ratpac A radiosonde dataset (year to date through April comparison).<br /><br />The peak to peak changes in UAH v6 TLT and RSS TLT are more or less flat, probably due to unchecked drifts.<br />The RSS TTT v4 dataset with improved diurnal drift correction show a larger peak to peak change (about 0.2 C), but still suffer from the NOAA14/NOAA15 merging uncertainty issue.<br />RSS v4 stopped using NOAA-15 in 2011, so IMO data are relatively reliable from 2011 on...Olof Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18244733455655978307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78954166303868871742016-06-05T18:30:26.032+10:002016-06-05T18:30:26.032+10:00Regarding the satellite-based charity 'climate...Regarding the satellite-based charity 'climate bet' between Skeptical Science's Rob Honeycutt and Pierre Gosselin of the ironically named 'NoTrickZone' website: http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-bet-for-charity-2016-update.html<br /><br />For what it's worth, the May 2016 update from UAH and RSS makes the current decade (2011-20) warmer than the previous one (2001-10) 'to date', no matter what way you measure it.<br /><br />The current decade already was warmer using a running decadal average (tracking back 10 years from the most recent month); but even if you use the sceptics' preferred method of comparing the running monthly averages separately (we're now up to month 65 of 120), then the current decade is also now warmer than the previous one for the first time: http://oi68.tinypic.com/2vd2mo7.jpg<br /><br />Even as satellite temperatures fall back over the course of 2016, the running average temperature of the current decade will continue to surge past that of the previous one for several months ahead at least. <br /><br />DavidRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6646729559850993912016-06-05T17:46:24.564+10:002016-06-05T17:46:24.564+10:00At least "Ayatollah Obama" aknowledges, ...At least "Ayatollah Obama" aknowledges, although probably unintentionaly, that the warming is caused by exhaust gases (aka CO2) from power plants.Raoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22861287691605529272016-06-05T17:35:23.371+10:002016-06-05T17:35:23.371+10:00Class action lawsuit? Scarey! You 'don't k...Class action lawsuit? Scarey! You 'don't know nuffink' if your knowledge of climate science is as limited as your knowledge of group litigation and when it can be applied. And 'Ayatollah Obama'? Really? It just shows the low base from which you're launching your vitriol. That's a fail for you.George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50273147520956306252016-06-05T16:06:18.526+10:002016-06-05T16:06:18.526+10:00Clearly, all this warming is caused by the exhaust...Clearly, all this warming is caused by the exhaust gased created by the power plant producing the electricity used to create this useless blog. Either shut it down as a service to humanity or face a class action lawsuit!Ayatollah Obamahttp://transgendered.president.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10098371573888748402016-06-05T02:48:43.062+10:002016-06-05T02:48:43.062+10:00Werner Brozek's misconception that you can tel...Werner Brozek's misconception that you can tell how much hotter the Earth has gotten by comparing the anomalies in this El Nino to the anomalies from 1998 seems to be a common denier tactic these days. I've got a denier friend I discuss climate with, and he uses the same tactic.<br /><br />Oddly, this is only a few months after they insisted on using least-squares regression to show there had been no warming at all since 1997. Least-squares trendliens are now completely out of fashion.<br /><br />Out of fashion also is the RSS dataset that deniers used to use. Now UAH is the only valid dataset. <br /><br />Straw-grasping seems rampant.<br />D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.com