tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post7350667092174682691..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: The ugly side of the anti-activist misogynist at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35590795558045423742013-09-30T12:28:10.752+10:002013-09-30T12:28:10.752+10:00There are concern trolls in real life as well as i...There are concern trolls in real life as well as in cyberspace, aren't there Nick. Like "I would have recycled if they weren't so nasty about making us do it".Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76142191566490095972013-09-30T12:25:13.642+10:002013-09-30T12:25:13.642+10:00You're right Nick. I forgot about the ACF. T...You're right Nick. I forgot about the ACF. That was a very different type of activism IIRC. The ACF and farmer organisations have joined forces on other issues too. <br /><br />Landcare itself was grassroots farmer led wasn't it? Maybe the ACF was there in the background?Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-37295374397683118142013-09-30T12:22:05.641+10:002013-09-30T12:22:05.641+10:00Sample numbers in the survey are very small, [poss...Sample numbers in the survey are very small, [possibly as small as the WUWT commentariat]. <br /><br />Your observations about the social gains from activism cannot be made often enough. There is a general lack of awareness of how much in-your-face and behind the scenes activism has contributed to the existence of society. One of the unfortunate byproducts of generations of unacknowledged, unseen social activism has been that people like the complacent donkeys at WUWT can take it all for granted, and engage in an endless rhetorical struggle against their own interests.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72467926162994564022013-09-30T11:53:16.492+10:002013-09-30T11:53:16.492+10:00Land clearing / agricultural practice reform was c...Land clearing / agricultural practice reform was championed by the Australian Conservation Foundation. Activism was indeed involved. 1989 was a key date with the teaming of the NFF and the ACF on landcare, but it's been back and forth in terms of success, and the 'alliance' is fluid.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19137917405049813222013-09-30T09:21:01.309+10:002013-09-30T09:21:01.309+10:00basically it is anti green propaganda
here in QLD...basically it is anti green propaganda<br /><br />here in QLD the farmers and greens have joined forces to bring the CSG industry to account.<br /><br />newspaper reports paint the farmers as protecting their <br />livelihoods while the greens are painted as radicals with an agenda to shut down economic advancement. <br /><br />people buy that because of their own ideological bias john byattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7625267972161619202013-09-30T07:12:05.958+10:002013-09-30T07:12:05.958+10:00I'd need to read the paper, but on the face of...I'd need to read the paper, but on the face of it there may be a confusion as to the direction of causality. I.e. it may be that the reaction to activists is rooted in the attachment to the thing the activists are pushing to change, and isn't actually enhanced (other than rhetorically) by the efforts of the activist. Put another way, you can politely ask someone to change and they'll like you better than if you were pushy, even while they fail to change. The whole thing sounds a bit like the "deficit model" strawman.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19927615106993639892013-09-30T04:13:39.875+10:002013-09-30T04:13:39.875+10:00IMO it's fair to say that there are extremes o...IMO it's fair to say that there are extremes of activism as well as more moderate activists. To my way of thinking society needs the more aggressive activism in areas where change is important but difficult. Or where the general public isn't strongly engaged in the issue. <br /><br />We'd not have had forest agreements here but for the aggressive activists who chained themselves to trees, for example. So our forests would be even more depleted than they are.<br /><br />On the other hand, I don't think there were any activists involved in the land clearing legislation that went through most Australian states in the 1980s (preventing farmers from clear-felling bushland).<br /><br />Women's rights wouldn't have happened if not for activism by men and women. Workers' rights similarly wouldn't have happened but for the activism of trade unions.<br /><br />As for the WUWT extremists who are engaged in activism to oppose policies that are in the best interest of the environment and humankind, one commenter at WUWT said there was a lesson there for "skeptics" too. So you could be right on that point, Victor.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44360463969426631212013-09-30T03:57:43.879+10:002013-09-30T03:57:43.879+10:00“Unfortunately,” they write, “the very nature of a...<i>“Unfortunately,” they write, “the very nature of activism leads to negative stereotyping. By aggressively promoting change and advocating unconventional practices, activists become associated with hostile militancy and unconventionality or eccentricity.”</i><br /><br />It is a pity the study did not investigate it explicitly, but it sounds as if their line of argumentation includes the anti-science activists at WUWT.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.com