tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post6945898819256063007..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Why did the water in the kettle boil? Because it got hot!Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54718807161283643692014-12-03T14:13:12.174+11:002014-12-03T14:13:12.174+11:00You have to be desperate to quote JoNova and Bob T...You have to be desperate to quote JoNova and Bob Tisdale as a source! What a strange little sheltered garden these people live in.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50073336708983145032014-12-03T12:57:57.746+11:002014-12-03T12:57:57.746+11:00Treadgold and cronies' responses to a 'Sim...Treadgold and cronies' responses to a 'Simon' stalwartly asking the obvious questions regarding ocean-atmosphere heat exchanges on that 'Hot Whopper wrong' thread are amusingly illustrative. You really could not make these people up!billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34997115467317968652014-12-02T17:36:34.828+11:002014-12-02T17:36:34.828+11:00Yep.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/nz-climate-cranks-tru...Yep.<br /><br /><a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/nz-climate-cranks-trust-folded-brill-et-al-try-to-escape-justice/" rel="nofollow">http://hot-topic.co.nz/nz-climate-cranks-trust-folded-brill-et-al-try-to-escape-justice/</a>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1084981599680244402014-12-02T17:26:59.721+11:002014-12-02T17:26:59.721+11:00You call an obvious troll a troll and they respond...You call an obvious troll a troll and they respond "who, me?"<br /><br />It's all theatre. I hope they get paid well for selling their soul.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76738673853050876222014-12-02T17:22:21.145+11:002014-12-02T17:22:21.145+11:00As usual, Richard Treadgold is merely here playing...As usual, Richard Treadgold is merely here playing to the home crowd, of course.<br /><br />http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2014/12/hotwhopper-wrong-on-ocean-heat/<br /><br />It's amazing how blatantly, tenaciously, persistently and sententiously <i>wrong</i> you really can be, but in the DEB (Denier Epistemic Bubble) all this is heroism...billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86046069504623773982014-12-02T17:16:41.130+11:002014-12-02T17:16:41.130+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Richard Treadgoldhttp://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22881716880838881082014-12-02T16:48:46.959+11:002014-12-02T16:48:46.959+11:00Oh not that ocean "thermal skin" red her...Oh not that ocean "thermal skin" red herring/straw man thing again. It has been beaten to death elsewhere. Next!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54184408418349541402014-12-02T15:24:34.229+11:002014-12-02T15:24:34.229+11:00For one thing, you claimed "there is no evide...For one thing, you claimed "there is no evidence that the minuscule radiation from CO2 molecules might have a significant effect on the temperature of the ocean"<br /><br />There is more than one thing wrong with that silly statement, not least of which is the huge increase in ocean heat content. What do you think it was? Tamino's leprechauns? Tedious Tisdale's goblins? <br /><br />The other of course is that CO2 radiation is not "miniscule". It is around 19% of all LW radiation absorbers in all sky, including clouds. An increase in CO2 has a marked effect, not a miniscule effect.<br /><br />http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/2010_Schmidt_etal_1.pdf<br /><br />I mentioned another at the HotWhoppery. <br /><br />You ought to be thankful I entertain any comment from you at all, given your history.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69028598005374746972014-12-02T15:12:00.605+11:002014-12-02T15:12:00.605+11:00I never said the oceans cool the world. Do you kno...I never said the oceans cool the world. Do you know what feedback is?Richard Treadgoldhttp://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33298333686279297022014-12-02T15:08:43.257+11:002014-12-02T15:08:43.257+11:00Oh, well, thank you. You might like to reconsider ...Oh, well, thank you. You might like to reconsider giving the entirely false impression that results when you say: "This comment has been removed by a blog administrator" which sounds just like deletion and gives no hint that the comment's been moved to a 'HotWhoppery' (hilarious name).<br /><br />Please tell me: what are the odd ideas you mention?<br />Richard Treadgoldhttp://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84763450832484659182014-12-02T14:51:16.461+11:002014-12-02T14:51:16.461+11:00I did publish it Richard. Since it contained rathe...I did publish it Richard. Since it contained rather odd ideas it was published in <a href="http://hotwhopper.com/HotWhoppery.html#rt21214" rel="nofollow">the HotWhoppery</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74393398215023926702014-12-02T14:20:48.794+11:002014-12-02T14:20:48.794+11:00Sou, I went to some trouble to explain myself in t...Sou, I went to some trouble to explain myself in that comment. Please tell us why you have declined to publish it.Richard Treadgoldhttp://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85077607293602202382014-12-02T14:20:22.988+11:002014-12-02T14:20:22.988+11:00"The global warming deniers are running out o..."The global warming deniers are running out of temperature datasets to find zero trend lines in. I think RSS is the only one left."<br /><br />Don't worry. 2005 is the new 1998. Hopping from El Nino to El Nino as new start year for the cherry picking of the "downtrend" in the escalator.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880958127943576318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25807976473499603902014-12-02T14:11:44.549+11:002014-12-02T14:11:44.549+11:00The global warming deniers are running out of temp...The global warming deniers are running out of temperature datasets to find zero trend lines in. I think RSS is the only one left. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61933076113805718652014-12-02T13:44:40.757+11:002014-12-02T13:44:40.757+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Richard Treadgoldhttp://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32445868521950444372014-12-02T09:52:44.590+11:002014-12-02T09:52:44.590+11:00Not everybody accepts that land temperatures have ...Not everybody accepts that land temperatures have been visrtually stable for 9 to 18 years - see the Oldenborgh article in climate-lab-book linked in the 3rd para above. You may be confusing "land" with "surface"; surface doesn't work anyway, you have to go to pretty poor Lower Troposphere temperatures to find any comfort these days. And that without an El Nino. Makes you think, doesn't it?Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86382095281013235962014-12-02T08:37:26.235+11:002014-12-02T08:37:26.235+11:00Dogsledder
Physical climatology is a holistic des...Dogsledder<br /><br />Physical climatology is a holistic description of the Earth climate system.<br /><br />It is incorrect to use short-term variability in land surface temperature (or SSTs) as an argument against the physics of planetary energy imbalance. You have to include OHC and short-term variability in the rate of ocean heat uptake. <br /><br />BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45116411707397332852014-12-02T05:28:25.092+11:002014-12-02T05:28:25.092+11:00So when you said "you" you meant "e...So when you said "you" you meant "everyone", not me. Thanks for the fix.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29035579846175156372014-12-02T05:23:19.382+11:002014-12-02T05:23:19.382+11:00Globally Sou. Everyone accepts that the land temp...Globally Sou. Everyone accepts that the land temperatures have been virtually stable (although high) for 9 years..... 18 years.... depending on who you talk to and which global measure you use. Dogsleddernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8542696256750601502014-12-02T02:37:01.707+11:002014-12-02T02:37:01.707+11:00I don't recall saying that the land stopped wa...I don't recall saying that the land stopped warming. Can you point to where you think I said that? Where I live the land hasn't stopped warming. Last year was the hottest on record on this land. This spring was the hottest spring on record for the land down under.<br /><br />http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-01/australia-swelters-through-its-hottest-spring-on-record/5931282Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68946079617313063132014-12-02T02:30:21.058+11:002014-12-02T02:30:21.058+11:00Sou.... when you say the land stopped warming beca...Sou.... when you say the land stopped warming because proportionally more heat went to the atmosphere and ocean than land..... are you suggesting that starting in 98.... or 2005 we jumped from the oceans absorbing 90% of the heat.... to 99.9% of the heat?Dogsleddernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-971194063312587302014-12-02T00:45:11.006+11:002014-12-02T00:45:11.006+11:00Anonymous,
The global warming rate in the uppermo...Anonymous,<br /><br />The global warming rate in the uppermost 100 meters of the oceans has been higher than 0.03 K/decade.<br /><br />The warming in the uppermost 2000 meters has been accelerating in recent decades.<br /><br />Look at the graphic representation of the change in the temperature anomalies over time:<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/oc39oux<br /><br />This gives an indication where the planet is heading.<br /><br />You also have to keep in mind that the heat capacity of the about uppermost 3.5 meters of the ocean water body equals the heat capacity of the total mass of the atmosphere.<br /><br />BTW: Interesting are the big swings of the ocean temperatures in the uppermost 100 meters. I would say they can explain a lot why there are virtual "pauses" of the surface and tropospheric temperature trends w/o changing anything about the background global warming trend.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880958127943576318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84884157420560833132014-12-01T22:50:49.008+11:002014-12-01T22:50:49.008+11:00The title if nothing else, Harry. See my latest ar...The title if nothing else, Harry. See my latest article.<br /><br />http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/12/warmer-oceans-matter.htmlSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53156878060882990122014-12-01T22:36:41.388+11:002014-12-01T22:36:41.388+11:00I wonder if Bob Tisdale got any "inspiration&...I wonder if Bob Tisdale got any "inspiration" from this recent article? It is a good article BTW.<br /><br />http://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/role-ocean-tempering-global-warmingAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16755922687442573182014-12-01T22:15:21.277+11:002014-12-01T22:15:21.277+11:00Yes, I didn't twig at first. You can read abou...Yes, I didn't twig at first. You can read about those clowns at HotTopic. They sued the NZ weather bureau and lost, of course. Then didn't cough up the court costs they should have paid, dumping them on the NZ taxpayers.<br /><br />Bunch of rogues.<br /><br /><a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/salinger-upsets-cranks-treadgolds-toys-exit-cot/" rel="nofollow">http://hot-topic.co.nz/salinger-upsets-cranks-treadgolds-toys-exit-cot/</a>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.com