tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post6844610498747283949..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: All over, almost before it started. Michael Mann and what WUWT won't tell youSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64181167434984724932014-09-27T09:46:55.194+10:002014-09-27T09:46:55.194+10:00Yeah, Dave could have pointed out where to look &q...Yeah, Dave could have pointed out where to look "around your blog". for example:<br /><br />http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/08/sack-australias-biggest-laughing-stock.htmlSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63086135259847240782014-09-27T07:54:21.217+10:002014-09-27T07:54:21.217+10:00If you're wondering about that, look at Abbott...If you're wondering about that, look at Abbott's friends.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39849715479690815432014-09-27T01:29:17.874+10:002014-09-27T01:29:17.874+10:00Of course he links a blog about the "deniosph...Of course he links a blog about the "deniosphere, its weird pseudo-science and crazy conspiracy whoppers." <br /><br />If you're wondering why Australia axed the whole program, look around your blog.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877699517690934530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59419029414344142352014-09-26T23:31:44.014+10:002014-09-26T23:31:44.014+10:00This has all been very nice and interesting, but ...This has all been very nice and interesting, but when can we start raising a little hell?<br /><br />"Surely you're joking Mr. Weingarten - updated with invite"<br />http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2014/09/youre-joking-mr-weingarten.html<br /><br />{ That would be the "CLIMATE CHANGE VERSUS FREE SPEECH"<br />Ben Weingarten }citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8690741376337017322014-09-26T06:20:10.106+10:002014-09-26T06:20:10.106+10:00Perhaps - to be generous - the man was dribbling d...Perhaps - to be generous - the man was dribbling down his shirt: which I accept would be indicative of a faux sceptic.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42057460724140173022014-09-26T00:45:42.346+10:002014-09-26T00:45:42.346+10:00"dominating the table"
I think they mea..."dominating the table"<br /><br />I think they mean table dancing.Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76878361783973382892014-09-25T22:50:43.134+10:002014-09-25T22:50:43.134+10:00Ha ha - thanks for that. Is that from WUWT? Beauti...Ha ha - thanks for that. Is that from WUWT? Beautiful. <br /><br />I love the paranoid language, MC becomes "point man", and the emotive stuff - "embarrassing to watch", plus the mind-reading "presumably a sceptic". <br /><br />Plus the unspoken assignation of superpowers to Stephan Lewandowsky who he presumably thinks knew every fake sceptic in the room by sight. Or maybe that he can spot a fake sceptic just by looking at them. Supershrink :)<br /><br />Anything to support Anthony's conspiracy theories, eh?Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16510370315496973492014-09-25T22:36:03.435+10:002014-09-25T22:36:03.435+10:00Regarding Q selection: Tony Rogers says:
(I provi...Regarding Q selection: Tony Rogers says:<br /><br />(I provide no link here but you know where to find this..)<br /><br />"I was astonished to see Lewandowsky acting as Mann’s point man. During the Q & A session he was very interesting to watch. One guy in the front row (presumeably a sceptic) had his hand in the air before anyone else. Lewandowsky stood directly in front of him about five feet away and scrupulously ignored him! He managed to avoid eye contact for the entire Q & A session while pretending to be giving serious consideration to who to select next before pointing out the next questioner to the lady with the microphone. Embarrassing to watch!"<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77294932045657990582014-09-25T19:49:59.101+10:002014-09-25T19:49:59.101+10:00So Delingpole, Montford and Watts were all there a...So Delingpole, Montford and Watts were all there and none of them raised a hand to ask a question. Their excuse? There was no point as the Q&A were fixed. CONSPIRACY!!<br /><br />So much for Watts' 'polite discourse pays off'<br /><br />I note in the comments ref the dinner party the acolytes praising Watts as clearly "dominating the table" - they clearly think he's God or Elvis (possibly both) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12122119784685457892014-09-25T19:04:49.200+10:002014-09-25T19:04:49.200+10:00well wait for the video, the director of the insti...well wait for the video, the director of the institute - said no more questions, cutting them much shorter than at John Cook's event. as he said they wanted to move on with the book signing.. <br />he did say time pressure , as the rooms/building needed to be vacated by a certain time.Barry Woodshttp://www.unsettledclimate.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4525405461040973282014-09-25T16:05:58.609+10:002014-09-25T16:05:58.609+10:00Thanks, Stephan.
Re Leviston et al, There doesn&#...Thanks, Stephan.<br /><br />Re Leviston et al, There doesn't seem to be a full pdf available on-line, but here's a direct link to the journal article.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n4/full/nclimate1743.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n4/full/nclimate1743.html</a><br /><br />I recall you cited it in <a href="http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/Publications/LskyetalRecursiveFury4UWA.pdf" rel="nofollow">the Recursive Fury paper</a>, too.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63099688218857019422014-09-25T15:53:29.890+10:002014-09-25T15:53:29.890+10:00It needs to be recognized that the University has ...It needs to be recognized that the University has an obligation and policy to look after the public and their own buildings at a large public event after business hours. There were a few unarmed security folks in hi-vis vests there who were _outside_ the lecture hall and whose explicit brief was _not_ to interfere with any discussion, debate, or even heckling and other forms of protest. Rich announced their presence at the beginning, together with the fire exits and so on. You know, with 650 people in a large hall, we have to tell them where the exits are and the hallways, and how you get out quickly. (Tedious, I know, just like the oxygen masks and fitting buckles into clasps before takeoff). Concerning the selection of questions, I recommend Leviston, Z.; Walker, I. & Morwinski, S. Your opinion on climate change might not be as common as you think Nature Climate Change, 2013, 3, 334-337. Stephan Lewandowskyhttp://www.shapingtomorrowsworld.org/lewandowskyUB14.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66456352634283861022014-09-25T04:45:38.531+10:002014-09-25T04:45:38.531+10:00:-) <b>:-)</b>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57103360356810936212014-09-25T04:29:50.120+10:002014-09-25T04:29:50.120+10:00Michael Mann linked to this article from his faceb...Michael Mann linked to this article from his facebook page.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47389515987337992282014-09-25T03:14:44.965+10:002014-09-25T03:14:44.965+10:00That people would travel from the USA to the UK to...<i>That people would travel from the USA to the UK to hear him - or should I say to play "gotcha" (and then chickening out). Why not in the USA? Cheaper and easier I'd have thought.</i><br /><br />Michael Mann has spoken in California several times over the past few years, which would have provided Anthony with multiple opportunities to ask his "many" questions without having to go through trouble of even getting on an airplane. -- DennisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13018635053618582672014-09-25T02:44:14.508+10:002014-09-25T02:44:14.508+10:00Just to add, Michael Mann does a lot of public spe...Just to add, Michael Mann does a lot of public speaking AFAIK. That was the other odd thing. That people would travel from the USA to the UK to hear him - or should I say to play "gotcha" (and then chickening out). Why not in the USA? Cheaper and easier I'd have thought.<br /><br />John Cook goes to North America from time to time, too. <br /><br />It really was all very odd the way that Anthony and co carried on.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18537896475606930422014-09-25T02:36:31.886+10:002014-09-25T02:36:31.886+10:00Thanks, Anon. I said way back when I was writing a...Thanks, Anon. I said way back when I was writing about Anthony's announcement that he was going to the UK, that it seemed as if neither he nor most of his readers had much of clue about public lectures at universities, which as you say, are held all the time. (At least I think I said something like that. I know I thought it.)<br /><br />Here in Australia when there are high profile speakers who are controversial, security is beefed up a bit. Though that's usually for when politicians talk - not so much scientists. Climate science these days can generate as much emotion as politics and religion - not to forget sport. (In the US, I hear that evolution deniers can get pretty worked up, too.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61632416760532016762014-09-25T02:24:44.297+10:002014-09-25T02:24:44.297+10:00I can update with some info since I was there too ...I can update with some info since I was there too (both talks).<br /><br />Mr Watts didn't put his hand up at either session. Since he was sitting in the front row at each event and I was a few rows back at each event this was easy to see. Not a big deal 'though. Personally I think he would have a very hard time asking a meaningful "contrarian" Q that wasn't rather easy to respond to. <br /><br />From my perspective not that many people did put their hands up last night and most of these were women - and they were the ones to ask Q’s mostly.<br /><br />The limited number of Q's was due (i) to most Qstioners sneaking in 2 Q’s and (b) Dr Mann being a little long-winded in his responses (despite prefacing the Q/A session with a suggestion that he would try to be brief in his responses!). <br /><br />The woman who asked about tipping points also asked whether there was any relationship between science denial and the evangelical Xystian movement in the US. Dr. Mann responded that this particular grouping was divided with one group being on the rather far-right and aligning with science-denial and the other having the rather more Christian ethos of stewardship. <br /><br />A young woman asked what individuals can do in their personal lives to help address the problem of man-made climate change and whether this is a meaningful contribution. This Q is rather conducive to a long reply and Dr. Mann's reply was long but also quite enlightening.<br /><br />Alex Wilk's (who he?) supplementary Q was rather more specifically about the Climate Marches and whether these and similar are perceived to have had an effect. Dr Mann responded that one can't really tell yet, 'though there are hopeful signs (such as the Rockefeller Foundation deciding to stop funding anti-science organizations).<br /><br />My feeling from the first (John Cook) talk is that Q's from the "pseudosceptics" are in reality rather banal and easily fielded, and I wonder whether that problem is the reason that in the end not many of these seemed to want to risk a Q in the last night's talk.<br /><br />note, BTW, that despite the apparent "profundity" of the occurrence of these talks and the hoo-haw raised in the blogosphere about the delicious subversiveness of turning up and "showing these darned scientists a thing or two with killer questions", in reality they were like any number of public talks given by the University in the Victoria Rooms with a broad mix of local people interested in science and current affairs, University people, retired folk and so on. The main difference was that there were police/security in attendance. That rather threw me at last week's talk and being quite naive it only dawned on me well into the Dr. Cook talk that there was actually some potential for argy-bargy particularly so if one goes back and reads some of the rather creepy bluster from the "eggers-on" on various blogs. <br /><br />apols for the long post..<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81408889591788388692014-09-25T01:09:58.578+10:002014-09-25T01:09:58.578+10:00Maybe they had run out of material. Perhaps even ...Maybe they had run out of material. Perhaps even a denier wouldn't want to look stupid in the flesh by asking the same questions that they asked Cook. Looking stupid anonymously on the web is more their style.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47914783944574243292014-09-25T00:32:17.457+10:002014-09-25T00:32:17.457+10:00More questions would have been good but time ran o...More questions would have been good but time ran out. I'm sure MM wouldn't have minded some more feisty questions; the idea that nice questions were prearranged is a bit daft really. Tip for contrarians wanting to ask questions - put up your hand...it seemed to work for you on Friday with John Cook.deeenngeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8906329733683053622014-09-24T22:42:34.651+10:002014-09-24T22:42:34.651+10:00I do think that at these kind of events the Q&...I do think that at these kind of events the Q&A is an important part of the procedings, so if only four or five people got to ask questions it's a bit disappointing. andrew adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82375438340646016472014-09-24T21:49:22.265+10:002014-09-24T21:49:22.265+10:00Sou said:
PS I think that the Cabot Institute has...Sou said:<br /><br /><i><b>PS</b> I think that the Cabot Institute has recorded Michael Mann's lecture and John Cook's lecture on video, and they will be released in a couple of weeks. If so, I'll let you know.</i><br /><br />Yes please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47615370891167904842014-09-24T20:43:00.427+10:002014-09-24T20:43:00.427+10:00The Lewandowsky thing is starting to look like a p...The Lewandowsky thing is starting to look like a phobia: I wonder if Stephan's diagnosis had a significant impact on the viewing figures at denier websites.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64851998736229215682014-09-24T20:28:17.261+10:002014-09-24T20:28:17.261+10:00Oops - Fixed. Great pics too. Thanks :)Oops - Fixed. Great pics too. Thanks :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55256197169955711582014-09-24T20:21:32.354+10:002014-09-24T20:21:32.354+10:00Actually "The Victoria Rooms" not Victor...Actually "The Victoria Rooms" not Victoria House (first pic caption). And Barry is wrong about the queue, it was fairly short. I was in it with about four/five others quite some time after the talk ended, most people went out (ushered by the two security guards as explained by Richard Pancost). Michael had time to chat to each person in turn ans ask about our areas of interest. <br /><br />His lecture was longer than I expected and he had some great slides. Much about the science & some on the extreme weather events relevant to each country.KatyDnoreply@blogger.com