tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post6685609979219354333..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: OAS - The No-Name Society Hides its LightSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23845337266315136212014-11-03T21:30:01.523+11:002014-11-03T21:30:01.523+11:00Oo-er. Debate the underlying issue!?
That sounds ...Oo-er. Debate the <b>underlying issue</b>!?<br /><br />That sounds far deeper than just discussing the issue. And far more complicated. Using long words? He must know what he is talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74958299987881398592014-11-03T19:18:03.447+11:002014-11-03T19:18:03.447+11:00A little google search on "Terry Oldberg"...A little google search on "Terry Oldberg" is quite, uhm, "revealing".Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69581833186770923352014-11-03T17:18:19.592+11:002014-11-03T17:18:19.592+11:00I don't normally debate science deniers for ob...I don't normally debate science deniers <a href="http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/119-why-i-won-39-t-debate-creationists" rel="nofollow">for obvious reasons</a>. You are welcome to explain what you mean by that and give examples, preferably disambiguated, and preferably shorter than your usual tedious, dense, long, pointless, rambling articles.<br /><br />https://archive.today/yXw1y<br /><br />Either I or someone else might or might not respond. Don't count on it. In fact, don't count on anyone bothering to read it. <br /><br />The fact that you don't understand scientific terms doesn't mean that they don't have meaning. The fact that you reject science doesn't mean that others should reject it. <br /><br />As far as most people are concerned, science denial is weird and it is pointless to debate "weird".Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22773278849135717062014-11-03T17:03:59.125+11:002014-11-03T17:03:59.125+11:00HotWhopper:
You seem to dislike my claim that &qu...HotWhopper:<br /><br />You seem to dislike my claim that "Climatology has been plagued by applications of the equivocation fallacy." Would you care to debate the underlying issue? Terry Oldberghttp://www.knowledgetothemax.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54779584234511184762014-10-03T05:45:52.353+10:002014-10-03T05:45:52.353+10:00I was wondering about the strange pyramid that Wat...I was wondering about the strange pyramid that Watts chose as <a href="http://theoas.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/verum_in_luce_logo.png" rel="nofollow">his OAS logo</a>. Does anyone have an idea why one would use a pyramid for anything to do with the atmosphere?<br /><br />A reverse image search came up with this document, <a href="http://www.statistica.md/public/files/ComPresa/Piatza_Fortz_Munca/ITPM.pdf" rel="nofollow">with the same pyramid logo at the bottom of the first page</a>. Only the sun is missing. Ken Kennethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84461455441278327172014-09-20T07:33:32.484+10:002014-09-20T07:33:32.484+10:00Nicely done Sou re the motto. As to the name, perh...Nicely done Sou re the motto. As to the name, perhaps it refers to an atmosphere of openness, in contrast to the totalitarian hell-hole which is the mainstream scientific world.<br /><br />As for 'Bonum in cruce', maybe there is a god after all, at least for comedians in the land of Tony 'I could have been a cardinal, you know' Abbott.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53199575438709563852014-09-20T02:45:03.814+10:002014-09-20T02:45:03.814+10:00The really funny thing is that if he had bothered ...The really funny thing is that if he had bothered to read the paper, he wouldn't have bothered to write the PR. But I don't think Anthony was bright enough to read the paper -- which explains why the entire premise of his ejaculation is wrong -- and make an honest effort at critiquing it.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40245252684339421712014-09-20T01:05:56.300+10:002014-09-20T01:05:56.300+10:00What must be even more unusual is to post somethin...What must be even more unusual is to post something of that nature without putting any name or names to the article. It reads like a copy and paste from his blog to AOS, not the other way around as he intended.<br /><br />It's not at all well written. eg<br />"In the paper Tornado Trends Over The Past Thirty Years³ they state:"<br />a poorly constructed sentence with no notion of who "they" are. We can get away with sloppiness like that in a blog, but it wouldn't pass muster in any professional work.<br /><br />Weird.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31794888895788786032014-09-20T00:43:01.462+10:002014-09-20T00:43:01.462+10:00It's quite unique to have a supposed professio...It's quite unique to have a supposed professional organization issue a press release in which it criticizes a paper published in a journal of another professional organization. I can't remember the last time I ever saw a professional organization do so.<br /><br />Then again, we all knew the OAS was just a veneer to give some credibility to crank ideas. Just imagine, rather than pointing to a blog, journalists can refer to a "professional organization"...Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26875167581431234052014-09-20T00:41:49.201+10:002014-09-20T00:41:49.201+10:00That was funny Victor. Good one.
Anthony thinks ...That was funny Victor. Good one. <br /><br />Anthony thinks he can get away with "taunting" by posting an anomymous blog article on his OAS blog, accusing scientists of writing a peer reviewed paper in one of the top journals, claiming that it is "not supported by data". <br /><br />It's "what he does".<br /><br />OAS is looking more ridiculous by the minute. Just what is he hoping to achieve? It can't be respectability - or respect.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71195772348368587492014-09-20T00:40:16.104+10:002014-09-20T00:40:16.104+10:00"It is the opinion of The OAS that this sort ...<i>"It is the opinion of The OAS that this sort of methodology to remove a portion of a dataset to cite a result is unsupportable and without justification."</i><br /><br />It is a pity the OAS does not give a reason for their <i>opinion</i>. I guess they do not mean to suggest that removing part of the data is wrong. In last iteration of Watts et al. (2012) <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2014/08/26/the-fruitarians-are-lazy/" rel="nofollow">almost all data is removed and only a small part is analyzed</a>.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81803072805339684772014-09-20T00:27:39.681+10:002014-09-20T00:27:39.681+10:00On Twitter, Anthony Watts acknowledged that you ar...On Twitter, Anthony Watts acknowledged that you are right and that <a href="https://twitter.com/wattsupwiththat/status/512910127280967680" rel="nofollow">the OAS does not have an editor at the moment</a>.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44975489067060599002014-09-20T00:24:02.508+10:002014-09-20T00:24:02.508+10:00I guess Anthony thinks his blog isn't quite pr...I guess Anthony thinks his blog isn't quite proper enough and he reposts at his OAS website.<br /><br />Preferred links to archived versions:<br />WUWT https://archive.today/v3lFZ<br />OAS https://archive.today/31YaT<br /><br />How does an organisation with no board, no Executive Director, no editorial staff, no staff of any kind as far as we know, and only 100 ragtag members signed up (probably most as associate members) - how does it get to issue a press release. <br /><br />Puzzling . It couldn't just be a dummy blog for WUWT now could it? Perhaps a way of getting people to "subscribe" to WUWT by another name.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47763142051753006012014-09-20T00:14:34.014+10:002014-09-20T00:14:34.014+10:00And the first publication of the Open Atmospheric ...And the first publication of the Open Atmospheric Society has hit the streets, EXTRA! EXTRA!<br /><br />http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/19/statement-from-the-open-atmospheric-society-on-the-paper-peak-tornado-activity-is-occurring-earlier-in-the-heart-of-tornado-alley/Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76620283636266136032014-09-19T21:17:32.453+10:002014-09-19T21:17:32.453+10:00Well done, Sou. Your efforts in tracking down the ...Well done, Sou. Your efforts in tracking down the source of the OAS motto is like watching a <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074042/" rel="nofollow"> Quincy ME</a> episode. Next step is an endorsement of the motto from that classical windbag, Monckers. On another topic, there are apparently 67 variations on the acronym <a href="http://www.acronymfinder.com/OAS.html" rel="nofollow"> OAS</a> such as Oral Allergy Syndrome, Office of Addiction Services and On Another Subject (... if not another planet). <br />GMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77372393310730444972014-09-19T20:26:51.847+10:002014-09-19T20:26:51.847+10:00Just to add to the mirth, I think it has religious...Just to add to the mirth, I think it has religious (rather than scientific) overtones:<br /><br />https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Valent%C3%ADn_Valdivieso<br /><br />"Su lema episcopal era Verum in luce. Bonum in cruce. Virgo in omni patria et in corde."<br /><br />Perhaps Anthony has found his road to DamascusMillicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77250591867349697282014-09-19T20:06:28.711+10:002014-09-19T20:06:28.711+10:00I had another thought. This time why Anthony oddly...I had another thought. This time why Anthony oddly called it the Open Atmospheric Society instead of, say, the Open Atmospheric Science Society, still less the Atmospheric Science Society :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39272066206469726132014-09-19T18:46:50.004+10:002014-09-19T18:46:50.004+10:00Hilarious! And if you reverse it, do you get '...Hilarious! And if you reverse it, do you get 'Truth in the Light'? No, you get "But in the light of".... see <a href="%E2%80%9Cwww.translate.google.com.au/?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#auto/en/verum%20in%20luce" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Nice motto, somehow rather apt!KatyDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76041408151321240032014-09-19T15:54:28.066+10:002014-09-19T15:54:28.066+10:00I had an idea about how Anthony Watts might have g...I had an idea about how Anthony Watts might have got his motto. It seemed very unlikely that he ever studied Latin or Classics or knew anyone who had.<br /><br />So I <a href="https://translate.google.com.au/?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#auto/la/truth%20in%20the%20light" rel="nofollow">tested it out</a>.<br /><br />(Hint: <a href="https://translate.google.com.au/?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#auto/la/truth%20in%20the%20light" rel="nofollow">Google translate</a> recently added Latin to it's list of languages. ha ha ha)<br /><br />Would you believe he <a href="https://translate.google.com.au/?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#auto/la/truth%20in%20the%20light" rel="nofollow">Google Translated</a> it! No checking needed. That's in keeping with the overall tackiness, the unprofessional, unacademic look and feel, and the anti-intellectual conspiracy theme permeating the OAS (wordpress) website. Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35131246950485657972014-09-19T15:06:41.941+10:002014-09-19T15:06:41.941+10:00Strange Motto: "The motto is "Verum in L...Strange Motto: "The motto is "Verum in Luce". … Anthony Watts says it means Truth in the Light. AFAIK verum is a specific truth about something, whereas veritas is about truth in a general sense. Perhaps someone who's studied Latin can shine some light on this :)"<br /><br />My four (distinguished) years of high school Latin tell me that "Veritas in Luce" specifically means "Truth in the Light" while "Verum in Luce" means "(A) True (Thing) in the Light" or "(A) Real (Thing) in the Light" which could translate as "A Truth in Light" i.e. veritas is a noun (veritates is the plural) and verum is an adjective (vera is the plural). So, "verum amor" means "true love" and "ave verum corpus" is "behold the true body" (a hymn written by Mozart), "ex luce veritas" means "from light, truth" and "in vino veritas" is "in wine (there is) truth". <br /><br />In summary, "verum" is an "odd" choice for the word 'truth' given that amongst <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_university_mottos" rel="nofollow"> University Mottos</a>, "veritas" and its other forms are used about 93% of the time for truth instead of "verum" and its other forms. American universities seem to exclusively use "veritas". But in Anthony's defence, the Romans used the word "ferrum" to mean both iron and a short sword ("gladius") because the Roman short sword was made from iron. It's just a suggestion, but the OAS motto could be changed to "Veritas Mea Lux Non Est" or "Truth is Not my Light" (or is that "Veritas Meum Lucem Non Est"?)<br />GMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31123729211539175222014-09-18T11:42:08.702+10:002014-09-18T11:42:08.702+10:00Phoning the number listed in Dave's comment, p...Phoning the number listed in Dave's comment, prior to its removal, was an interesting experience.<br />The operator, Billy Roy, had to put me on hold while he and his buddies took off the wheels and removed the chocks on the OAS office, replacing them with jack supports. He seemed a little down about the office's front deck "collapsin' an killin' seven huntin' dawgs" which effectively eliminated Team OAS from the Annual Raccoon Run starting in mid-October. <br />Billy Roy was very upbeat about the complimentary voucher that comes with an OAS membership and gets the member a freebie of the OAS logo at Tattoo City. But, although he was enthusiastic about the impact that OAS would have on climate science research, I suspect that Billy Roy thinks the last line of The Star-Spangled Banner is "Drivers, start your engines!" <br />GMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90504951627039296302014-09-18T10:45:41.789+10:002014-09-18T10:45:41.789+10:00'It is killing us boss in the market place of ...'It is killing us boss in the market place of ideas that we do not have ANY peer reviewed papers. Complaining that it is a closed shop just does not cut it.'<br />Anthony (Soprano) Watts ejaculates 'we have to go legit and start up a Journal to publish our results'.<br />'You mean we are going straight boss?'<br />'No it will just look like it. Should be enough to fool the usual stupes we have as customers.'<br />Bert<br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32311215919033792342014-09-18T06:52:20.793+10:002014-09-18T06:52:20.793+10:00A certain dog astrology journal comes to mind. I ...A certain dog astrology journal comes to mind. I suppose we have to remember who Anthony's peers actually are.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35040590832369527582014-09-18T04:39:45.110+10:002014-09-18T04:39:45.110+10:00The organization owning OAS is listed as ItWorks, ...The organization owning OAS is listed as <a href="http://www.itworks.com/Default.htm" rel="nofollow">ItWorks</a>, a company <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)#Career" rel="nofollow">owned by Anthony Watts</a>. The phone number listed for contact information appears to run to the same location as ItWorks, and may well be a phone owned by the company - i.e., not Watts direct number, but one for a business he owns. <br /><br />So yes, this appears to be an effort almost if not entirely by Watts. It will be interesting, to say the least, to see if he gets anyone else to buy into it, to associate their names with this shell. KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84516249420467759202014-09-18T03:01:26.097+10:002014-09-18T03:01:26.097+10:00They simply don't understand how scientists se...They simply don't understand how scientists select journals to report findings. No climate scientist is going to consider what is essentially a non-existent journal a suitable place to publish a shopping list let alone anything significant.Mike Pollardnoreply@blogger.com