tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post6675201439279654952..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Simple Simon at WUWT: Climate models and paper aeroplanesSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46805345990212645702014-08-29T23:36:16.848+10:002014-08-29T23:36:16.848+10:00i've generally got the impression that they do...i've generally got the impression that they don't mind <i>models</i> per se -- just the ones that involve computers. some sort of "old man yells at clouds" syndrome, perhaps.<br />lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5077777327516778282014-08-29T23:22:55.258+10:002014-08-29T23:22:55.258+10:00those silly scientists and engineers, they keep on...those silly scientists and engineers, they keep on building <a href="http://archive.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/obj/iar-ira/images/photos/cf18_windtunnel_test.jpg" rel="nofollow">models of planes</a>, but can't even tell the difference between it and the real thing.<br />lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30464051184133251582014-08-29T20:25:53.090+10:002014-08-29T20:25:53.090+10:00"or basic things such as pH."
Was the p..."or basic things such as pH."<br /><br />Was the pun intentional? Quiet Watersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17802785821845787082014-08-29T20:13:30.563+10:002014-08-29T20:13:30.563+10:00Well it can't be O=C=O because that stands for...Well it can't be O=C=O because that stands for Orbiting Carbon Observatory. On the other hand, maybe it's Organized Crime Observatory or it's Oceania Customs Organization or ... something sciencey. George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77429379793640189772014-08-29T20:09:45.869+10:002014-08-29T20:09:45.869+10:00Wait for the Idsos to start claiming "Cobalt ...Wait for the Idsos to start claiming "Cobalt is plant food"!<br /><br />RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86468290791275185002014-08-29T19:41:49.301+10:002014-08-29T19:41:49.301+10:00The fact they think its possible that somebody cou...The fact they think its possible that somebody couldn't spot the difference between a model plane and a real plane would - in the sense they are using it - mark them out as retards.<br /><br />But, looking at this in a wider sense than is possible in the denialist mind, is a drone (a remotely piloted aircraft) a plane or a model plane? Some drones are as big as real planes, fly like a real plane, but just don't have a pilot. But drones vary in size down to ones that are more on the scale of model planes.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81421142808021386002014-08-29T19:18:47.852+10:002014-08-29T19:18:47.852+10:00It's c0^2 !It's c0^2 !Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90438884870256222452014-08-29T19:09:45.221+10:002014-08-29T19:09:45.221+10:00Actually if you build a radio-controlled plane and...Actually if you build a radio-controlled plane and fly it around, it's using exactly the same laws of physics as the real thing. Which makes it a pretty useful model. <br /><br />So that really was a very crappy comment you elevated to 'quote of the week', Anthony. John Russell (@JohnRussell40)https://twitter.com/JohnRussell40noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71277827640435029342014-08-29T18:50:32.570+10:002014-08-29T18:50:32.570+10:00cO2 affects the Ph of the oceans.
Do you agree MW...cO2 affects the Ph of the oceans.<br /><br />Do you agree MWS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3685464655223687002014-08-29T18:18:23.450+10:002014-08-29T18:18:23.450+10:00They can tell the difference between a model plane...They can tell the difference between a model plane and a real plane. That puts them on a higher level of intelligence. Genius probably.Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39076418513576070052014-08-29T17:41:02.898+10:002014-08-29T17:41:02.898+10:00Perhaps Anthony, as a fossil fuel industry shill, ...Perhaps Anthony, as a fossil fuel industry shill, is complementing Tom on constructing a disingenuous piece of sophistry where the misinformation is skillfully hidden within a personnal story that everybody empathises with.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56064453315145800892014-08-29T17:29:18.674+10:002014-08-29T17:29:18.674+10:00When I encounter in comments someone deriding clim...When I encounter in comments someone deriding climate or other kinds of models, I use to ask how they think the processors of the computer they use to post their drivel on the Web are developed? By an engineer with a very big magnifying glass, and a very small soldering iron?Raoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91897108680762517392014-08-29T17:08:05.308+10:002014-08-29T17:08:05.308+10:00There's a fine line between 'slightly stoo...There's a fine line between 'slightly stoopid' and 'really stoopid'. <br />Mathematical modelling is treated with derision in Wattsian circles but Tom T's comment, as representative of the constructivism that permeates that website, is totally ignorant of computer simulation modelling (CAE) in engineering analysis and design. CAE is now so good in the automotive industry that design modelling is largely done via computer simulations rather than actual prototype testing. Tom T should check to see that his mode of transport has a No-Computer-Models-Were-Used-In-The-Development-Of-This-Vehicle sticker.<br />And when Tom T collects his medications he might refuse the generic brands but does he ask if any of his medications have been designed with the help of computer models? Tom T might even unknowingly benefit from the development of pharmaceutical models that now successfully predict the negative side effects of pharmaceutical drugs. Then again, probably not. In Tom's case, ignorance is bliss.<br />George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26549394845398822802014-08-29T15:09:19.609+10:002014-08-29T15:09:19.609+10:00"For some reason these people can’t seem to t..."For some reason these people can’t seem to tell the difference between a climate model and the real climate."<br /><br />For some reasons deniers think climate scientists think like they do. Of course real climatologists aren't so dumb as Anthony and his chums. Heaven help us if they were.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54572888452158482882014-08-29T12:48:00.583+10:002014-08-29T12:48:00.583+10:00Anybody who writes the formula for carbon dioxide ...Anybody who writes the formula for carbon dioxide as "Co2" has, by displaying their total lack of knowledge of basic chemistry, already lost the argument. I automatically ignore any discussion where the protagonists can't write chemical formulas (I'll exempt subscripts), or basic things such as pH. <br /><br />PS many engineering "models" are computer programs - I can't make a small-scale physical model of most chemical engineering plants, but I can model their behaviour using a computer.<br /><br />Perhaps Keith Minto thinks that engineers build physical models to do this (Calvin and Hobbes cartoon):<br />http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1986/11/26#.U__pAvmSzpUMWSnoreply@blogger.com