tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post6632284126642270059..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Most people want to mitigate climate change. Anthony Watts thinks this is "crazy"Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3357162663975796962017-05-15T13:42:41.355+10:002017-05-15T13:42:41.355+10:00Magma should have a word with John Podesta- it'...Magma should have a word with John Podesta- it's his lot that told the West Wing policy "cannot be handcuffed by data":<br /><br />https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2016/10/ad-john-podesta-ex-masters-of-disaster.html<br />THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20656972061569878192017-05-01T23:20:56.811+10:002017-05-01T23:20:56.811+10:00I was at a small march. The most common slogans ap...I was at a small march. The most common slogans appeared to be:<br /><br />Science not silence<br /><br />and<br /><br />What do we want?<br />Evidence-based science!<br />When do we want it?<br />After peer review!<br /><br />Cute, but neither is up there with "Aux armes, citoyens! Aux barricades!"Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86939624019634797112017-05-01T13:08:58.811+10:002017-05-01T13:08:58.811+10:00Each march has a different flavour doesn't it....Each march has a different flavour doesn't it. At the March for Science in Melbourne, the speakers at the start couldn't be heard, not even if you were up close. The speaker at the finish was okay, I suppose, but not exactly winning anyone who wasn't already won. <br /><br />It's a shame that it's hard to find good speakers. I think in part it's because if organisers don't kow tow to all the different lobby groups they are threatened with having the entire event killed.<br /><br />Maybe things will improve on that front over time.<br /><br />I don't think people attend for the speeches anyway.They just want to show support by numbers, which is a good thing (and just as well :D). The speech sessions are just a way of getting people to hang about and show the world how many attended. Performers eg musicians would work, too, and could be more fun :).Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49069539090144427362017-05-01T12:59:05.388+10:002017-05-01T12:59:05.388+10:00Those are weird. I guess I wanted to put in my tho...Those <i>are</i> weird. I guess I wanted to put in my thoughts about our local events. I was stuck in Boston, and it was a nice little crowd, maybe 5000. As I said, I would rather have been skimming plastic and muck from the lock with the working resistance.Susan Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935228911713362040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81320317540541678552017-05-01T12:22:54.402+10:002017-05-01T12:22:54.402+10:00To expand on that, the website wanted people to go...To expand on that, the website wanted people to go to different points that were set up for each of the above. So if you were a "Defender of Truth" you went to the "Defender of Truth" march point. If you were a "Keeper of Faith" you went to the "Keepers of Faith" march point. The website had definitions of each of the above, which were about as bad as the titles themselves.<br /><br />Most people who marched wouldn't see themselves as heroes or rebels or activists. They just want governments and businesses and communities to mitigate climate change (and realise it's happening and we can do something about it). I think most people get a kick out of marching all together, too. Not having groups divided up like that.<br /><br />Thankfully it didn't put people off and the marches were a success (at least in terms of numbers) from what I understand.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25493474484614394702017-05-01T12:13:43.722+10:002017-05-01T12:13:43.722+10:00Yes, I wasn't referring to the signs. It was t...Yes, I wasn't referring to the signs. It was these slogans on the march website that struck me as weird/archaic, missing the point, divisive, and totally over the top:<br /><br />1. Protectors of Justice <br />2. Creators of Sanctuary <br />3. Builders of Democracy <br />4. Guardians of the Future <br />5. Defenders of Truth <br />6. Keepers of Faith <br />7. Reshapers of Power <br />8. Many Struggles, One Home<br /><br />I don't think scientists would have come up with them. Perhaps someone old who has a background in activism. More likely someone who thinks that's what activists used to use (they didn't, except for maybe people who stand on street corners trying to sell radical newsheets).<br /><br />Might be just a cultural difference between Australia and the USA, I suppose.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28797744207540249172017-05-01T11:43:00.982+10:002017-05-01T11:43:00.982+10:00Sou, was that you about the weird slogans? I went ...Sou, was that you about the weird slogans? I went to both events here in Boston. I spent a lot of time at MIT, first as student then as drawing instructor. At the marches here were real geeks and nerds and a wide range of people with a wide range of issues. There was even a guy waving a communist flag. I felt conflicted about that, not what I like to see, but that's what tolerance is about. Granted the signs weren't as good as pussy hats. Way too many speeches in Spanish. Boston is very liberal, on the whole, and a little weird. It had been suggested people do their own signs. <br /><br />You might say, scientists by nature are not necessarily good communicators. That's always been a big part of the problem, he who hires PR consultants has a better chance to look good than people going to bat for what they believe. Hence Trump.<br /><br />With 20/20 hindsight, there were so many events going on, I wish I'd attended the cleanup (Charles River locks apparently cram with gunk) rather than going to listen to speeches.Susan Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935228911713362040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4114978776865534302017-05-01T04:10:34.059+10:002017-05-01T04:10:34.059+10:00The "weird Signs" remind us that cliche...The "weird Signs" remind us that cliche' recycling began a century before plastic bottles appeared - around the time the marching classes began to horn in on the May Day maypole monopoly:<br /><br />https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2017/04/speaking-truth-to-jargon-jargon-to.html THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.com