tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post6428777986677275026..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Incompetent or deceitful? Anthony Watts is lost for words so substitutes pictures...Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12550338131641976952014-07-03T14:01:57.764+10:002014-07-03T14:01:57.764+10:00Heh, "Give it up..."
One wonders, in ...Heh, "Give it up..." <br /><br />One wonders, in light of the colossal humiliations Jim's hero has endured in connection with the US surface temperature record, why Anthony can't give up tilting at a windmill that has unhorsed him so often in the past. Yet here he is, flat on his back again.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03915691567092166636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52701142037964970632014-07-03T09:36:59.997+10:002014-07-03T09:36:59.997+10:00Fernando Leanme, if these people are bureaucrats, ...Fernando Leanme, if these people are bureaucrats, then bureaucrats publish an amazing amount of scientific papers and made enormous contributions to the scientific literature. If you look at the organigram of NCDC you will find a lot of names of all the scientific papers you have read if you are interested in climate data.<br /><br />One wonders why you felt the need to make such a comment without knowing what you are talking about.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54485813622942646002014-07-03T04:47:56.053+10:002014-07-03T04:47:56.053+10:00Stay off the booze, _Jim. You're likely to end...Stay off the booze, _Jim. You're likely to end up in the HotWhoppery.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39530604976420358222014-07-03T04:41:59.930+10:002014-07-03T04:41:59.930+10:00Give it up, Sou, "we have you surrounded"...Give it up, Sou, "we have you surrounded" ... come out with your min/max thermo in the air ..<br /><br />_Jim_Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13758960732214789695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-80089335273452855522014-07-03T04:25:48.040+10:002014-07-03T04:25:48.040+10:00Re: the title of this post.
You can't discoun...Re: the title of this post.<br /><br />You can't discount an answer of both.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44659226708296296122014-07-03T00:52:50.063+10:002014-07-03T00:52:50.063+10:00It depends on which data you mean. If you're t...It depends on which data you mean. If you're talking about ClimDiv, there's an indication <a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/maps/us-climate-divisions.php" rel="nofollow">on the website</a>. For a detailed paper on the subject, <a href="http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JAMC-D-13-0248.1" rel="nofollow">this looks to be the latest</a>, sub req'd and I can't find an pdf version. You could ask the authors. <br /><br />Vose, Russell S., Scott Applequist, Mike Squires, Imke Durre, Matthew J. Menne, Claude N. Williams Jr, Chris Fenimore, Karin Gleason, and Derek Arndt. "Improved historical temperature and precipitation time series for US climate divisions." Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology 53, no. 5 (2014): 1232-1251. doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/JAMC-D-13-0248.1Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12326031953707792132014-07-03T00:19:04.417+10:002014-07-03T00:19:04.417+10:00I know how it goes when it comes to government bur...I know how it goes when it comes to government bureaucracies. If I were the chief bureaucrat in one of those government agencies and somebody wrote me a note claiming my data base was goofy, I would have a clerk write a note back exp'laining the issue was under study, and we would get back to the sender in due course. And i would have it investigated by summer interns. They are really good at this type of work. I do wonder, what happens if they find those algorithms are a bit off? Even if the temperature record isn´t exact, we still have the sea level change and the lack of Arctic ice. Or maybe we just need to wait to see what the satellite record says in a few years. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49579736354686230462014-07-03T00:10:47.663+10:002014-07-03T00:10:47.663+10:00From a purely technical standpoint, does anybody h...From a purely technical standpoint, does anybody have a reference for the system they use to grid the data? I was wondering if they grid the USA and then place the stations within the grid, or whether they use kriging? I find those NOAA pages to be so full of baloney I can´t locate the method they use. Fernando Leanmehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16085680730729620836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77708081437592890442014-07-02T22:44:34.183+10:002014-07-02T22:44:34.183+10:00Yet another example of the contrarians' sense ...Yet another example of the contrarians' sense of entitlement and self-importance. They really do expect that scientists have nothing to do other than to respond to their (probably ill-posed and/or confrontational) queries, and to monitor their obscure blogs.Don Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03379725341973886243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-92210170864765866722014-07-02T22:32:36.277+10:002014-07-02T22:32:36.277+10:00They were still being used by the 'top rocket ...They were still being used by the 'top rocket scientists' I joined when I left uni.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43201389495920033282014-07-02T22:26:57.426+10:002014-07-02T22:26:57.426+10:00Anthony peevishly wrote "The NCDC has not res...<i>Anthony peevishly wrote "The NCDC has not responded to me personally, I only got this by asking around." </i><br /><br />NCDC did not pick up the red telephone and call the leader of the free world himself? Unforgivable!Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5214527945002940342014-07-02T22:25:53.458+10:002014-07-02T22:25:53.458+10:00Indeed.
The tool I once had to use was a slide-ru...Indeed.<br /><br />The tool I once had to use was a slide-rule (and of course 7 or 9 figure log tables), remember those? I still have my slide rule one circa 1962 in the loft bud sadly whilst I was away from home one time it became divorced from its cursor.Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31997720033878134722014-07-02T21:52:07.085+10:002014-07-02T21:52:07.085+10:00And. of course, it would be beyond the pale to men...And. of course, it would be beyond the pale to mention that modern engineering uses computer models to perform stress analysis with notable success.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25078285163756881912014-07-02T21:18:49.286+10:002014-07-02T21:18:49.286+10:00Anthony is not that good at getting any facts stra...Anthony is not that good at getting any facts straight.<br /><br />Where he gets his "26 hull-loss accidents" pertaining to the de Havilland Comet 1 from is anybody's guess for the destination of that link says nothing about it (a Plimer perhaps).<br /><br />Metal fatigue and stress concentrations were not well understood at that time with the design choice of rather sharp radius curved corners to the windows (not sharp right angles as many suppose) was less than optimum but the major factor was the lack of attention to detail with respect to burrs and 'nicks' at the edges which added to the stress concentration.<br /><br />The amount that a pressurised aircraft would inflate and deflate by with changes in altitude were not well characterised and the limits on weight due to the low engine power available from the de Havilland Ghost centrifugal compressor turbojet engines necessitated thinner metal gauges for the structure, particularly the skin.<br /><br />The impact of flight cycles on fatigue stress due to pressurisation cycles was still not well grasped when an Aloha Airways 737 suffered an explosive decompression when a large upper section of the forward fuselage blew away. The fact that Aloha aircraft, with many short inter-island hops, could experience as much as two compression cycles per day, about seven times the normally expected rate.<br /><br />Being a Brit' and one with extensive knowledge of, aerodynamics and structures, and experience with aviation having designed, manufactured and fitted components to aircraft this Watt's article jars.<br /><br />It should be considered that 'Galloping Gertie ' was an aerodynamic and harmonic induced design failure.<br /><br />Titanic was unfortunate, and did not sink in the manner suggested by that illustration, and much recent exploration and investigation, another topic expanding my book collection, has demonstrated that the nature of the damage was unanticipated. Also the presence that year of more than the normal number of ice bergs, and growlers, has been demonstrated as due to climate change induced glacial acceleration and berg calving increase.<br /><br />What all those examples highlight is that engineering decisions can have unexpected consequences when expanding the envelope of knowledge and should sound warning bells about geo-engineering schemes aimed at mitigating and adapting to climate change.Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4781806501561910562014-07-02T18:18:56.671+10:002014-07-02T18:18:56.671+10:00I think you mean "Top Rocket Scientist" ...I think you mean "Top Rocket Scientist" :-)And Then There's Physicshttp://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86091754185600608402014-07-02T17:55:56.922+10:002014-07-02T17:55:56.922+10:00ATTP, when I looked into it (and it didn't tak...ATTP, when I looked into it (and it didn't take much) it became apparent that Anthony was hoping that someone would tell him how to proceed, because he was out of his depth on this one. (Which isn't at all unusual.)<br /><br />His solution hasn't worked. He relied on people who were as ignorant as he is about the US temperature record.<br /><br />As for putting up engineering failures from the space race, navigation and aircraft design implying that it had anything at all to do with NCDC/NOAA or the surface temperature record - that was just further evidence that he is feeling helpless and adrift.<br /><br />I wonder if the denier implosion over the Rocket Scientist from Luna Park has anything to do with it?Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52723303581733912342014-07-02T17:48:07.666+10:002014-07-02T17:48:07.666+10:00Yes, I realised after posting that I made it sound...Yes, I realised after posting that I made it sound like the same someone's. I'd intended to refer to different someone's, but got it wrong :-) Indeed, it's even worse than I implied. And Then There's Physicshttp://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26700567672333779472014-07-02T16:51:24.554+10:002014-07-02T16:51:24.554+10:00ATTP, One problem is he's talking about differ...ATTP, One problem is he's talking about different "someone's". NCDC has nothing to do with the space race.<br /><br />The other problem he has is that he doesn't seem to know anything about NClimDiv of NCDC. <br /><br />For all his posturing about US surface temperature records, Anthony knows less than nothing about them. He just doesn't have a clue about the data itself, the different data sets, what homogenisation is, what temperature anomalies are. <br /><br />He's a fraud who gets other people to do his work. His own incompetence and ignorance becomes very clear when he himself writes anything about the subject.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15304997397466440532014-07-02T16:46:30.013+10:002014-07-02T16:46:30.013+10:00I haven't really read it, but it seems to be t...I haven't really read it, but it seems to be the standard "someone's been wrong before, therefore they must be wrong now." I guess we should be impressed that Anthony is not afraid of logical fallacies.And Then There's Physicshttp://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com