tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post5641633701191939657..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Anthony Watts heroically defends cool satellitesSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28004166997082696552016-01-20T17:32:53.301+11:002016-01-20T17:32:53.301+11:00No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.jgnfldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14036483144972448802016-01-20T14:17:42.620+11:002016-01-20T14:17:42.620+11:00"Didn't expect that."
One wouldn..."<i>Didn't expect that.</i>"<br /><br />One wouldn't, would one?<br /><br />;-)Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53951420446359972802016-01-20T01:43:23.291+11:002016-01-20T01:43:23.291+11:00Interesting.
I've just had the following post ...Interesting.<br />I've just had the following post fail to get through moderation at Spencers site.<br />Didn't expect that.<br />As follows.....<br /><br />RAH:<br />Yes, very funny. I know some "sceptics" find attacking/ridiculing the messenger so.<br /><br />However "Despite the fact that all the radiosonde data sets correspond much more closely to the satellite data than the surface temps they insist are the most accurate." does not bear critical examination....<br /><br />https://tamino.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/drift/<br />https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/exogenous-redux/<br />https://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/rssminusrat.jpeg<br />https://tamino.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/compare_overlap.jpeg<br /><br />From the above....<br /><br />"This suggests that something happened around 2000 to cause these data sets to diverge. Thermometers didn’t change how they measure temperature, nor balloons how they rise through the atmosphere. But satellite instruments have gone through many changes, satellite orbits have altered, and the satellites themselves change over time. I strongly suspect that there’s a serious problem with the satellite data after about the year 2000, as indicated by their divergence from thermometer data."<br /><br />Now what happened around 2000? would that be a new Sat and AMSU? (Noaa-15).<br /><br />What would be funny is if UAH were "corrected" to match RSS when UAH was more correct in v5.6.<br /><br />Also:<br /><br />http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/global-sfc-radiosonde-temp/201001-201012.gif<br /><br />I don't see any serious deviation here from ~2000 - so no, your claim that sonde data matches UAH/RSS beer than surface data (GISS/Hadcrut).<br />In fact the contrary.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90535929930016801902016-01-19T12:28:45.657+11:002016-01-19T12:28:45.657+11:00There seems to be a pretty large lack of skepticis...There seems to be a pretty large lack of skepticism of the satellite datasets and adjustments made to them by those seeking to downplay or ignore climate change.<br /><br />What has been the response to, discussion of and further research regarding this article, which I was thinking about the other day "Uncertainty of AMSU-A derived temperature trends in relationship with clouds and precipitation over ocean" http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00382-013-1958-7Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59815351514415831332016-01-19T02:36:00.931+11:002016-01-19T02:36:00.931+11:00I've added another link to the references, abo...I've added another link to the references, about a new and very good article by Dana Nuccitelli. <br /><br /><b>Ted Cruz fact check: which temperature data are the best? - </b><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/jan/18/ted-cruz-fact-check-which-temperature-data-are-the-best" rel="nofollow">article by Dana Nuccitelli</a> at the Guardian.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21884612176168843982016-01-18T22:47:14.209+11:002016-01-18T22:47:14.209+11:00:) I might be suffering WUWT overload. Too much nu...:) I might be suffering WUWT overload. Too much nuttery and denier nastiness addles the brain. (I branched out today into some forty-year old science history, which was both invigorating and depressing.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51998133763817394682016-01-18T22:38:02.302+11:002016-01-18T22:38:02.302+11:00I just found it amusing that the WUWT post you fou...I just found it amusing that the WUWT post you found in too poor taste to comment on, is the first I've mentioned for a long time :-)...and Then There's Physicshttp://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66288447376246875472016-01-18T21:31:43.060+11:002016-01-18T21:31:43.060+11:00Your articles are terrific, ATTP and Eli. (I wasn&...Your articles are terrific, ATTP and Eli. (I wasn't suggesting that no-one else could do the subject justice.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86346815089452262742016-01-18T20:23:38.709+11:002016-01-18T20:23:38.709+11:00Eric's article was such appallingly poor taste...<i>Eric's article was such appallingly poor taste that I wouldn't deign it with a response at HotWhopper. The ugly denier is just too ugly sometimes.</i><br />And yet, it's the first time I've mentioned a WUWT post for a very long time :-) <br /><br />It's really because I find the whole "scientists shouldn't speak out theme" interesting, but also silly and a blatant attempt to delegitimise perfectly valid viewpoints from being expressed by those who have expertise in an area....and Then There's Physicshttp://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21349916945396243822016-01-18T16:56:07.357+11:002016-01-18T16:56:07.357+11:00I do not think there is evidence for a real discre...I do not think there is evidence for a real discrepancy between surface estimates and satellite estimates.<br /><br />They measure different things (as was pointed out in another comment).<br /><br />Gavin Schmidt posted an article about discrepancies on the RealClimate blog a while back.<br /><br />Just eyeballing the satellite curve it appears to over respond to ENSO events. So the frequency of ENSO events may be affecting the averages.<br /><br />Anyway my main issue with the satellite temperature curve is it is noisy. I did look at the trend confidence interval and it is large, even over the last 18 years or so. A longer run of data required, methinks. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57290380130799269742016-01-18T15:52:24.293+11:002016-01-18T15:52:24.293+11:00Even worse, he's a pen for hire - see Greenpea...Even worse, he's a pen for hire - see <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/08/greenpeace-exposes-sceptics-cast-doubt-climate-science" rel="nofollow">Greenpeace exposes sceptics hired to cast doubt on climate science</a> for details and just how much it costs to buy favorable 'science' from these guys. KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13115666859105756752016-01-18T15:44:54.589+11:002016-01-18T15:44:54.589+11:00Happer credibility: Daily Princetonian 01/12/09 Pr...Happer credibility: Daily Princetonian 01/12/09 <a href="http://dailyprincetonian.com/news/2009/01/professor-denies-global-warming-theory/" rel="nofollow">Professor denies global warming theory</a><br /><br />'Physics professor William Happer GS ’64 has some tough words for scientists who believe that carbon dioxide is causing global warming.<br /><br />“This is George Orwell. This is the ‘Germans are the master race. The Jews are the scum of the earth.’ It’s that kind of propaganda,” Happer, the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, said in an interview. “Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. Every time you exhale, you exhale air that has 4 percent carbon dioxide. To say that that’s a pollutant just boggles my mind. What used to be science has turned into a cult.”' (much more)John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42930686712301496242016-01-18T14:41:13.903+11:002016-01-18T14:41:13.903+11:00On Piers Sellers http://rabett.blogspot.com/2016/0...On Piers Sellers http://rabett.blogspot.com/2016/01/wise-terrifically-eloquent-modest.htmlEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86881199373270922342016-01-18T14:40:15.688+11:002016-01-18T14:40:15.688+11:00maybe optimistic @Peter Thorne since I agree we ar...maybe optimistic @Peter Thorne since I agree we are stuck with the existing instrumentation at present, and the earlier historical record is what it is. However, long-term, I believe better satellite and surface technology will bring more clarity to future measurements and some of the existing puzzles will be resolved.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35139859261125742342016-01-18T13:50:49.895+11:002016-01-18T13:50:49.895+11:00They had me on morphine for three days until being...They had me on morphine for three days until being dopey got old and I had them pull it. There were at least three diagnoses, only one of which I remember because I thought it was the most likely: a mesenteric aneurysm, which was consistent with the excess fluid they saw in the MRIs and my small bowel shutting down (which could also have been the morphine). I'm not totally convinced it wasn't just a reaction to the general anaesthesia from the appendectomy.<br /><br />I did some follow-ups with the GI doc and checked out fine. 15 years with no further issues. One of those things.<br /><br />I do feel lucky to not have a 6-inch abdominal scar for my troubles.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6054925476543617122016-01-18T13:29:00.397+11:002016-01-18T13:29:00.397+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25548496933728295852016-01-18T13:27:52.396+11:002016-01-18T13:27:52.396+11:00Yeah, I was in for a week but I never felt that I ...Yeah, I was in for a week but I never felt that I was at death's door, in fact the Demerol drip after surgery was sort of nice... I don't know when mine ruptured, but I was in a lot of pain for quite a few days. By the time I was in the ER stuff was messed up. They had to cut me open but good to "clean stuff out" as my surgeon told me -- to this day I have a 6 inch scar to show for it. <br /><br />Did you ever find out what your diagnoses was?Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31533772321011222392016-01-18T12:46:33.369+11:002016-01-18T12:46:33.369+11:00Rattus,
IIRC from a previous article, the way Eri...Rattus,<br /><br />IIRC from a previous article, the way Eric tells the story is that he didn't experience a great deal of pain until after it ruptured and the infection was good and going. Raised my eyebrows, but I suppose stranger things have also happened. Who really knows but him and others who were there.<br /><br />In the same vein and FWIW, my story is that I presented with all the classic symptoms of appendicitis, the surgeon concurred, and removed my perfectly non-inflamed appendix. I was hospitalized for three weeks feeling near death with nobody able to give me a firm diagnosis about what was wrong, and one of the IV cocktails they gave me might have done me if I hadn't demanded it be pulled NOW instead of waiting for physician's orders. I don't know for sure that I would have been more comforted "knowing" for sure that I had a terminal condition, but it seems plausible. I can tell you that having serious questions about one's own survival for the better part of a month is freaky.<br /><br />I DO think, on the main, the WHUTTers are living up to their deserved reputation of being boorish overly self-important malcontents.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50252934945365246482016-01-18T12:07:40.404+11:002016-01-18T12:07:40.404+11:00Just give 'em a little time, the initial numbe...Just give 'em a little time, the initial numbers for 2015 GMST haven't come out yet!Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69648727945975592592016-01-18T11:16:37.815+11:002016-01-18T11:16:37.815+11:00I especially loved how he called having a ruptured...I especially loved how he called having a ruptured appendix to "being at death's door". Yeah, right. I had a ruptured appendix about 30 years ago. I had been suffering from appendicitis for a week or more and on the night it ruptured I finally went to a Doc-in-the-Box he examined me and said "if you were in more pain I'd say you have appendicitis. If it gets any worse go to the hospital". A couple of hours later the pain got a LOT worse and I told my girlfriend to drive me to the hospital. While waiting for admission in the ER the pain got so bad that I passed out. The whisked me in put me on a demerol and antibiotic drip and did surgery early the next morning. <br /><br />If you can get to a hospital within a few hours you may be miserable, but you are not at death's door. You'll live, but you will have a big scar on your abdomen. To compare this with stage 4 pancreatic cancer is just insulting.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78696712429169737362016-01-18T10:17:43.358+11:002016-01-18T10:17:43.358+11:00Mark,
I think that phenomenon falls loosely under...Mark,<br /><br />I think that phenomenon falls loosely under the findings of Dunning and Kruger, however Ryan's Corollary has a nice ring to it. Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2945473072982205842016-01-18T09:10:49.080+11:002016-01-18T09:10:49.080+11:00Alongside Godwin's law and Poe's law, we n...Alongside Godwin's law and Poe's law, we need a name for the law that: <br /><br />"The phrases "I never read X/I don't pay attention to XX/I'm no scientist, but" always increase the certainty with which the writer describes the true motivations of 'X/XX/scientists'."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15427410783634375334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63314038543667395972016-01-18T08:53:25.782+11:002016-01-18T08:53:25.782+11:00Well, well, what a lot has happened over the last ...Well, well, what a lot has happened over the last 12 months. This time a year ago there was a huge ruckus about "fraudulent" claims for 2014 being the warmest year in the temperature record. All that stuff on WUWT and elsewhere about it there only being a 40% probability. So obviously then the surface record was still being taken seriously by "sceptics". Now, a complete volte face, with only the surface data being credible. <br /><br />As Nick Stokes pointed out at the time of Spencer's publication of his version 6.0 data, Spencer himself was guilty of a volte-face in embracing the diurnal correction that he had previously dismissed. Furthermore, nobody, apart from Spencer has any idea whether Spencer's data are valid - no peer reviewed paper as yet. So the soi disant sceptics are relying on "grey literature" for their claims, since the last peer-reviewed UAH dataset agreed well with surface data. Anyone else remember the outrage when IPCC AR5 was found to contain grey literature references?<br />bill hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10849188148172259760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49900412213273475782016-01-18T08:49:34.214+11:002016-01-18T08:49:34.214+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.bill hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10849188148172259760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8497115296146061182016-01-18T08:43:37.041+11:002016-01-18T08:43:37.041+11:00On the brighter side, some comments have provided ...On the brighter side, some comments have provided me with a measure of entertainment:<br /><br /><i>dbstealey<br />January 17, 2016 at 11:50 am <br /><br />I don’t pay much attention to what politicians like the UN say, so I question their plan. They started this scam with a preconceived conclusion, and everything they say and do has supported their ready-made conclusion. Any contrary facts, evidence, observations or data is either disregarded or jettisoned, leaving only what supports their confirmation bias.</i><br /><br />I'm also known to have a somewhat morbid sense humour.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.com