tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post5224974701827427681..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Heat kills! Pat'n Chip argue for survival of the wealthiest at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41925393073037276712014-06-25T03:14:26.113+10:002014-06-25T03:14:26.113+10:00Some deniers will admit that the Earth may be warm...Some deniers will admit that the Earth may be warming with the caveat that it certainly can't be us and that there is "not a single shred of evidence that warming is caused be CO2," don't you know.<br /><br />Trying to provide graphic evidence for CO2 effect on climate is a exercise in pointlessness - because they just deny it. <br /><br />Deny, deny, deny and then deny again. It is like a bizarro world where the basic laws of physics do not exist and the greenhouse effect has not been known for 150 years.bryce parkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19726139707628182422014-06-24T23:26:12.440+10:002014-06-24T23:26:12.440+10:00To be sure, numerobis, the war erupted because tha...To be sure, numerobis, the war erupted because that government decided to shoot protests of, among other, bankrupt farmers to bits. A disastrous response to climate change effects indeed.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-60892608192966669902014-06-24T19:30:42.676+10:002014-06-24T19:30:42.676+10:00I note a certain lack of developmental economists ...I note a certain lack of developmental economists amongst their number, Tol being a political economist, which is not the same.guthrienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73281075233990735102014-06-24T05:08:49.084+10:002014-06-24T05:08:49.084+10:00"I really don't know why Pat'n Chip k...<i>"I really don't know why Pat'n Chip keep beating this dead horse."</i><br /><br />Well, perhaps because <b>that is their job</b>. They are professional lobbyists, and they are paid to present their sponsors in the best light possible. <br /><br />Regardless of reality, or those ever so pesky facts. KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39188566449273724502014-06-24T02:06:10.963+10:002014-06-24T02:06:10.963+10:00Sou, you ask: "I really don't know why Pa...Sou, you ask: "I really don't know why Pat'n Chip keep beating this dead horse."<br />Well, that's simply what fantasists do… and they enjoy it.citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88259128593069235962014-06-23T00:44:59.921+10:002014-06-23T00:44:59.921+10:00And the Syrian war was caused by the government...And the Syrian war was caused by the government's disastrous response to drought -- the drought being now linked to global warming.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59053000347378180442014-06-22T22:15:09.743+10:002014-06-22T22:15:09.743+10:00Matt Ridley adds his distortions for the delayer/d...Matt Ridley adds his distortions for the delayer/deniers to lap up:<br /><br /><a href="http://business.financialpost.com/2014/06/19/ipcc-climate-change-warming/" rel="nofollow">Junk Science Week: IPCC commissioned models to see if global warming would reach dangerous levels this century. Consensus is ‘no’</a>.<br /><br />Note that Matt invokes Ross McKitrick who has recently been responsible for another misleading article:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/2014/06/19/ross-mckitrick-fails-to-move-the-goalposts/" rel="nofollow">McKitrick tries and fails to move the goalposts on climate action</a>.<br /><br />Ross, Matt,Pat & Chip are despicable and beneath contempt all they have left is zombies, but sadly zombies that much of the developed world want to believe in.<br /><br />Aside, has anybody else noticed the volume of Zombie, Vampire and other fantasy programming come out of US TV channels of late, many with sickening portrayals of violence? A nation is being conditioned for the hell to come, hell that is being disavowed by the likes of the suspects mentioned here.Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31325550671759484462014-06-22T04:19:57.587+10:002014-06-22T04:19:57.587+10:00"So that's what today's agrarian mud ..."So that's what today's agrarian mud hut societies should do, right?"<br /><br />Meanwhile back in the real world the agrarian mud hut societies are on the verge of collapse and their men folk are off to join Boko Haram for want of a better option.<br /><br />http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/06/nigeria-environment-climate-change-boko-haramMillicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68834423373724054042014-06-22T04:14:01.989+10:002014-06-22T04:14:01.989+10:00What idiots. P&C have forgotten that peak summ...What idiots. P&C have forgotten that peak summer temperatures impact crop yields. *That* is going to hit lots of people where it hurts - in the stomach. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65803560312153173332014-06-22T03:39:08.961+10:002014-06-22T03:39:08.961+10:00numerobis: excellent summary. This is a more usef...numerobis: excellent summary. This is a more useful view of Michaels, at least, to frame discussions with him or about him. He's the one, after all, who told the Heartland conference that they should stop pretending AGW doesn't exist.<br /><br />Of course, he also lied (or demonstrated extreme ignorance) in a congressional hearing, but he's not the worst of the bunch.PLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72252529470474004242014-06-22T03:23:25.279+10:002014-06-22T03:23:25.279+10:00The place where the rubber will melt on the road i...The place where the rubber will melt on the road is the Indus and Ganges Valley's in South Asia. Given that both India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons that will not end well<br /><br />Eli is tempted to try and post that over at Willard Tony'sEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34037809657679620822014-06-22T01:05:25.097+10:002014-06-22T01:05:25.097+10:00This crew get assailed at WUWT for admitting the w...This crew get assailed at WUWT for admitting the world is warming. They generally don't attack the scientific findings; they just downplay them, and argue that we'll adapt to everything just fine. But only if we don't adapt just yet.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70118094185147409052014-06-22T01:02:04.818+10:002014-06-22T01:02:04.818+10:00Millicent: Under the belief system of Pat'n Ch...Millicent: Under the belief system of Pat'n Chip (and Lomborg), the typical mud hut denizen will get richer if we let them burn coal and cheap oil, so that they aren't going to be in a mud hut when it comes time to fry, and thus all will be well. Consider that 150-200 years ago, much of the West was agrarian and living in mud huts or the equivalent. Burning cheap coal and cheap oil got us rich, urbanized, and solid, insulated homes on the grid, with A/C. So that's what today's agrarian mud hut societies should do, right? And if they don't make all the mistakes our forebears did, they won't develop and they will suffer. For some reason, they don't argue they should be driving model T's, but they definitely shouldn't use pollution control, because it's not free.<br /><br />Sou: yes, I'm pretty sure they believe that. If poor people buy solar panels, according to them, they are wasting money and should have bought coal-fired power plants instead. That part of their argument almost wasn't stupid five years ago, when solar cost 4x as much as it does now, except that even then it had the huge advantage of being much easier to deploy solar in a place where the central government is ineffectual.<br /><br />This gang spend a lot of time talking about how the third world should develop just like we did. I think they're deluded, but I don't think they're heartless. I could be wrong.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84782228788289875192014-06-22T00:28:36.842+10:002014-06-22T00:28:36.842+10:00Unless your typical mud hut comes complete with a ...Unless your typical mud hut comes complete with a mains supply I guess its the 'fry' option then.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42856952686050042732014-06-22T00:19:31.073+10:002014-06-22T00:19:31.073+10:00Wait a second, I thought only "warmists"...Wait a second, I thought only "warmists" thought the earth was getting warmer. If we're actually cooling or going through a "stadium wave" or we're "paused" forevver, then why does there need to be an article discussing adaptation to warming? These deniers confuse me to no end.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21563145757110048412014-06-21T23:08:55.012+10:002014-06-21T23:08:55.012+10:00I wonder if people like Pat'n Chip want region...I wonder if people like Pat'n Chip want regions that are bypassing coal for renewables to trade in their solar panels and wind turbines for dirty diesel generators and filthy coal-fired power stations.<br /><br />It's more likely Pat'n Chip don't care how many people fry, as long as it's not them.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77961479336963203502014-06-21T22:59:22.570+10:002014-06-21T22:59:22.570+10:00The "argument" is that the non-AC world ...The "argument" is that the non-AC world will only get AC if we let them burn cheap fossil fuels, and that refusing them access to those will in turn refuse them access to the wealth needed for buying AC units comma you monster.<br /><br />The argument is horseshit in every way (except it's not good fertilizer) obviously, but that's what Chip and various like-minded lukewarmer "economists" like to spout.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83743591127559501952014-06-21T21:52:57.592+10:002014-06-21T21:52:57.592+10:00The trouble with heat exchangers is in the name th...The trouble with heat exchangers is in the name these units have to shunt the heat somewhere. After all, what happens if you don't allow ventilation behind a refrigerator.<br /><br />Anybody who has worked in confined spaces in ships the tropics knows the truth of this. The engine rooms of steam turbine driven vessels were notorious and anybody who has served on warships knows about this.<br /><br />I once had to get used to working in an aircraft hangar on a carrier in the tropics and even with a lift down to aid ventilation frequent breaks swallowing mugs of 'limers' with added salt were essential to replace fluid as pools of sweat ran down the Phantom F4K stabilator (tailplane) to gather in a large puddle on the steel deck.<br /><br />In the nearest 'heads', toilets, there happened to be an air-conditioning system heat exchanger adding its heat load to the surrounds causing sweat to dissolve the special water soluble toilet paper on touch placed therein for the use of. This to satisfy local pollution laws in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6557159401632964922014-06-21T20:55:47.296+10:002014-06-21T20:55:47.296+10:00I wonder if this form of denial is for people who ...I wonder if this form of denial is for people who are geographically challenged, or whether a large part of the globe's population - those who do not live in an air conditioned world - just don't matter.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com