tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post5009930309951513188..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Duet on Ice: More denier silliness at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78902765520612804782014-12-31T15:47:48.938+11:002014-12-31T15:47:48.938+11:00Some of the deniers with crystal balls may be hopi...Some of the deniers with crystal balls may be hoping the Greenland ice cap does increase due to extra precipitation - it is possible. For example the increase in Antarctic sea ice extent has been a god-send for them.<br /><br />But it is just a delay on the inevitable of course - extra snow may accumulate until it gets too warm in summer, then the ice cap will lose mass fast.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85818527370949419122014-12-31T13:27:18.121+11:002014-12-31T13:27:18.121+11:00Because contrarians know it's not really warmi...Because contrarians know it's not really warming. Antarctic sea ice extent proves that NCDC has been futzing with the instrumental surface temperature record. All hail RSS TLT!!Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34451100303699787292014-12-31T07:27:58.247+11:002014-12-31T07:27:58.247+11:00PS, archived here just in case I do get the banham...PS, archived here just in case I do get the banhammer and anyone is interested in the exact context of my demise: https://archive.today/4c7NQBrandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26356049827622434562014-12-31T07:25:13.546+11:002014-12-31T07:25:13.546+11:00Sou, I thought you might have picked up on that on...Sou, I thought you might have picked up on that one. I wonder if Anthony would have said anything at all if davidmhoffer hadn't chastised me for my tit-for-tat coinage. I apologized to both of them as directed, Hoffer more sincerely so because he did note that my contributions there are generally bereft of that sort of cheapshottery. SAMURAI, the bloke I was responding to was quite graceful at first, calling it "clever". He then went full on Godwin by dropping the N-word. Nary an apology asked for. I much prefer folk who don't ask for quarter when they've no intent of giving it. In short, the whole exchange could not have been more satisfying from my point of view.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34719676152413650712014-12-31T07:23:29.900+11:002014-12-31T07:23:29.900+11:00Notice that contrarians will point to the reduced ...Notice that contrarians will point to the reduced Arctic sea ice extent in the HCO but refuse to accept that modern warming will produce a sustained reduction in Arctic sea ice extent. <br /><br />One more impossible thing before breakfast.BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5432764580132519142014-12-31T07:11:22.651+11:002014-12-31T07:11:22.651+11:00(Don't deniers reject interpolated data?)
Onl...<i> (Don't deniers reject interpolated data?)</i><br /><br />Only if it produces a warming trend. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44313850548731930072014-12-31T06:01:44.116+11:002014-12-31T06:01:44.116+11:00I went back and looked again: the data before abou...I went back and looked again: the data before about 2004 is almost all interpolated. I did not explore the EC site to find out where their data comes from. Also I should have said I couldn't reproduce any of the graphs (tablet shortcomings, I think).<br /><br />FLwolverine<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85047708074980493452014-12-31T05:55:32.576+11:002014-12-31T05:55:32.576+11:00Sou - thanks for the links. I was wondering where...Sou - thanks for the links. I was wondering where the pre-satellite information came from and that second link explained it. The archived article seems to have created the bar graphs on the Environment Canada ice graph site: <br /><br />http://iceweb1.cis.ec.gc.ca/IceGraph20/page1.xhtml?lang=en<br /><br />I wasn't able to duplicate one of those graphs but that seems to be a problem with my tablet rather than the site. Two important points: the graphs and information (both on the Environment Canada site and in the archived article) cover only Canadian Arctic waters, and the graphs clearly indicate that the info for the 1970s is interpolated, not directly measured. (Don't deniers reject interpolated data?)<br /><br />FLwolverine<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52951656202489774782014-12-31T05:46:03.593+11:002014-12-31T05:46:03.593+11:00"Scientists have pieced together historical i..."Scientists have pieced together historical ice conditions to determine that Arctic sea ice could have been much lower in summer as recently as 5,500 years ago"<br /><br />keep in mind high latitude summers had higher insolation 5,500 years ago<br /><br />cabcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38372845859085870042014-12-31T05:44:14.316+11:002014-12-31T05:44:14.316+11:00Yes, that is the tail end of the Holocene "cl...Yes, that is the tail end of the Holocene "climatic optimum" or "thermal maximum" or other labels. You can read about it on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum#Global_effects" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> to get an idea - and in the research - such as <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379112002168" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44186904040757453022014-12-31T05:31:00.967+11:002014-12-31T05:31:00.967+11:00Seems to be some contradiction in early 70s ice es...Seems to be some contradiction in early 70s ice estimates. Hmmmmmm. <br /><br />Interesting stuff. Thanks for the links. One statement from your second link: <br /><br />"Scientists have pieced together historical ice conditions to determine that Arctic sea ice could have been much lower in summer as recently as 5,500 years ago."<br /><br /><br /><br />Blanchenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90441131235924022792014-12-31T05:25:49.609+11:002014-12-31T05:25:49.609+11:00It's just more confused denier crap. They are ...It's just more confused denier crap. They are so ignorant of the behaviour of natural systems that they see any such change (aka interannual variability) as evidence that radiative physics doesn't work. 'Clowns' doesn't even cover it. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19876264563408250332014-12-31T05:22:11.203+11:002014-12-31T05:22:11.203+11:00Brandon, I saw that Anthony Watts got very hoity t...Brandon, I saw that Anthony Watts got very hoity toity over your "Deniofascist" in a comment when you were quoting someone who used the term "Warmunists".<br /><br />https://archive.today/HyfZn#selection-8677.0-8713.38<br /><br />Hmmm - showing his politics? Does that make Anthony Watts a communist sympathiser? A warmist? Or maybe he's a closet Warmunist.<br /><br />:DSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86082395205765541622014-12-31T05:07:50.449+11:002014-12-31T05:07:50.449+11:00I don't know where she got her notions of the ...I don't know where she got her notions of the "early 1970s" but it doesn't tally with what the science shows:<br /><br />http://nsidc.org/icelights/files/2010/11/mean_anomaly_1953-2010.png<br /><br />http://nsidc.org/icelights/2011/01/31/arctic-sea-ice-before-satellites/<br /><br />http://www.the-cryosphere.net/6/1359/2012/tc-6-1359-2012.htmlSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55540706298976100552014-12-31T04:48:19.361+11:002014-12-31T04:48:19.361+11:00What are we to make of this? Why isn't this sp...What are we to make of this? Why isn't this splashed all over the media? <br /><br />This week, Arctic sea ice in Canada......had more sea ice than was present in the early 1970s. Globally, the ice is spitting-distance close to the 1981-2010 average calculated by the NSIDC for this date<br /><br />https://archive.today/EVmjk<br /><br />[Live link replaced as per comment policy - this was actually posted at 4:41 pm before the second comment from Blanche - Sou]Blanchenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31021026056672858222014-12-31T04:42:50.880+11:002014-12-31T04:42:50.880+11:00http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/Blanchenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28467048559024318912014-12-31T04:41:29.301+11:002014-12-31T04:41:29.301+11:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Blanchenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23295727828085699672014-12-31T04:38:48.413+11:002014-12-31T04:38:48.413+11:00Losing ice is so alarmist. When will we silly war...Losing ice is so alarmist. When will we silly warmunists learn that the proper scientific term is gaining water?Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61156262475338408112014-12-31T04:35:43.263+11:002014-12-31T04:35:43.263+11:00The Euan Mearns article was a comedy of errors whe...The Euan Mearns article was a comedy of errors when it rolled off the press, and it snowballed -- literally -- as the comment thread ran downhill. Various WUWT geniuses have decided that high CO2 and CH4 concentrations contribute to cooling because Petit et al. 1999 data clearly shows that temperature downturns occur after GHG concentrations rise.<br /><br />If I hadn't read it at Watts' joint, I would have had to read it twice.<br /><br />A few of the rabble did recognize that it might be a good idea to at least look at some orbital parameters. Here's a sample:<br /><br />------------------<br /><br />don penman<br />December 28, 2014 at 3:38 pm<br /><br />The connection between the earths tilt and glaciation is not very clear so far as I can see,there are more than four oscilation in the tilt graph over the the same time period as the last four ice ages.<br /><br />https://archive.today/KMews<br /><br />------------------<br /><br />Well no, don, that's what we're trying to tell you: things become a lot more clear when you factor in the radiative effects of GHGs. Termination III is still kind of an oddball even then, but things make a whole lot more sense from the Eemian to the Holocene when the correlation analysis also at least includes CO2 and CH4. When you do that, it becomes quite stinking clear that GHGs reduce the rate of energy loss from the system, and nowhere is that more evident than after an insolation peak. From there it's not a stretch to see that radiative gasses accelerate and amplify warming during periods when insolation is rising.<br /><br />I don't think it would be hard to convince these guys that the next time they run out of ice cubes at a party, they should put the trays into the oven instead of the freezer. Monckton would do a bang up job selling them that one.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-60183548149427385252014-12-31T04:18:40.153+11:002014-12-31T04:18:40.153+11:00ha!
cabcha!<br /><br />cabcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91213901936157149012014-12-31T01:58:16.531+11:002014-12-31T01:58:16.531+11:00Ah well, using recent WUWT logic Greenland isn'...Ah well, using recent WUWT logic Greenland isn't losing ice, it's degaining it.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com