tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post5002927258677036772..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Sea level to accelerate more quickly prompts sea level rise denial at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75061713980069501752016-08-15T01:10:29.968+10:002016-08-15T01:10:29.968+10:00I don't really blame them for not believing th...I don't really blame them for not believing the revenue neutrality. Sure on day one the law is written to be revenue-neutral, but then on day two other laws get written.<br /><br />An example: lotteries in the US are supposed to bolster education funding. But of course legislatures that set up lotteries subsequently cut education funding from the general fund.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41773752269537372742016-08-12T12:40:05.842+10:002016-08-12T12:40:05.842+10:00>>"I was not aware that this event rais...>>"I was not aware that this event raised sea levels"<br /><br />What the authors are suggesting is that after the *suppression* of sea level rise with Pinatubo cooling in the early 1990s, seas rose again as usual. This meant that it looked as if there was higher acceleration in sea level than there would have been if there'd not been the volcanic eruption. It was just a matter of timing. (The satellite monitoring started not long after Pinatubo erupted so it started from a lower base sea level than if there'd been no volcano.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64246734320535773452016-08-12T10:59:53.309+10:002016-08-12T10:59:53.309+10:00A couple of things. I don't think that atmosph...A couple of things. I don't think that atmospheric temps raise the ocean temps. The ocean is warmed directly from solar radiation, and also the backscatter radiation from greenhouse gases.<br /><br />The 1997/98 El Nino was not global warming, it was a natural variation.<br /><br />Global warming has increased since 1998. "Dramatic" is a subjective term.<br /><br />The Mt Pinatubo eruption decreased solar insolation, this in turn cooled the oceans a bit. I was not aware that this event raised sea levels.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67765082434743866992016-08-12T04:41:53.196+10:002016-08-12T04:41:53.196+10:00Someone ought to remind the deniers that any propo...Someone ought to remind the deniers that any proposed tax is designed to change behaviour, not raise more money. Therefore it they have to pay more for their energy they can expect to see lower taxes elsewhere. Mind you in the USA, that probably means a reduction in the higher rate of income tax.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784872872859319666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-60670306706521002102016-08-12T03:57:08.646+10:002016-08-12T03:57:08.646+10:00The conversion from ice mass loss to sea level ris...The conversion from ice mass loss to sea level rise can be derive from Velicogna who showed "The combined contribution of Greenland and Antarctica to global sea level rise is <b>accelerating</b> at a rate of 56 ± 17 Gt/yr2 during April 2002–February 2009, which corresponds to an equivalent acceleration in sea level rise of 0.17 ± 0.05 mm/yr2 during this time" and "The F-test show that the improvement obtained with the quadratic fit is statistical significant at a very high confidence level." doi:10.1029/2009GL040222 <br />That was in 2009; a more accurate answer should include recent findings from http://www.sciencemag.org/content/348/6237/899.full - "We use satellite altimetry and gravity observations to show that a major portion of the region has, since 2009, destabilized. Ice mass loss of the marine-terminating glaciers has <b>rapidly accelerated</b> from close to balance in the 2000s to a sustained rate of –56 ± 8 gigatons per year, constituting a major fraction of Antarctica’s contribution to rising sea level. The widespread, simultaneous nature of the <b>acceleration</b>, in the absence of a persistent atmospheric forcing, points to an oceanic driving mechanism."<br /><br />The Wattsian denialists do not understand the mathematical concept of acceleration, nor that wishful thinking("creating our own reality") won't actually open a hole to Middle Earth where the excess water can safely drain away.Brian Dodgehttp://web.nersc.no/WebData/arctic-roos.org/observation/ssmi_ice_ext.pngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22019166805607762332016-08-12T03:46:31.338+10:002016-08-12T03:46:31.338+10:00If there were to be a few more Paris style massacr...If there were to be a few more Paris style massacres in or around election week the Donald could win.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42544432518330723942016-08-11T23:37:20.433+10:002016-08-11T23:37:20.433+10:00The Donald has already said/done many things so st...The Donald has already said/done many things so stupid that it should have made him unelectable and yet here we are.coghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986692158604407475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79119990810397492512016-08-11T22:58:53.234+10:002016-08-11T22:58:53.234+10:00As for atmospheric warming after 1998...
This wha...<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:1979/to:1999/compress:12/plot/gistemp/from:1999/compress:12/plot/gistemp/from:1979/to:1999/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1999/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1991/to:1997/trend" rel="nofollow">As for atmospheric warming after 1998...</a><br /><br />This what I look at:<br /><br />1900 to 1990 - 1.2mm/yr - CC Hay<br />1993 - 2014 - ~2.8mm/yr - various <br />2008 - present - 4.50mm/yr - Jason 2<br /><br />JCHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7542731617336850002016-08-11T21:27:59.887+10:002016-08-11T21:27:59.887+10:00The ignorance of commentators below such Guardian ...The ignorance of commentators below such Guardian articles never ceases to amuse.<br /><br />Below the Abraham's article one basaya asserts that the Everest summit is still the same height above sea level as it was in 1955.<br /><br />basaya then refuses to learn from the assistance provided by Erik Frederiksen and John Samuel showing that he is eminently qualified to be a Watty. Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25699723736537357712016-08-11T20:56:20.741+10:002016-08-11T20:56:20.741+10:00The impact of aerosols on simulated ocean temperat...<a href="http://www.image.ucar.edu/~nychka./IDAG/Papers/Delworth_Ramaswamy_Stenchikov_ImpactofAerosols.pdf" rel="nofollow">The impact of aerosols on simulated ocean temperature and heat content in the 20th century</a><br /><br /><a href="ftp://128.171.151.230/engels/Stanley/Textbook_update/Science_297/Arendt-02.pdf" rel="nofollow">Rapid Wastage of Alaska Glaciers and Their Contribution<br />to Rising Sea Level</a>JCHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71718309043338925592016-08-11T13:27:40.291+10:002016-08-11T13:27:40.291+10:00DocG - see references 23 (http://www.nature.com/na...DocG - see references 23 (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7064/full/nature04237.html) and 24 from the paper that is being talked about here. Reference 23 is behind a paywall, but the abstract may help. Reference 24 may be old enough to be freely available. If you really need reference 23 I may be able to get it to you.<br /><br />Neil White<br /> Neil Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01301477067093767034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-89747610354014270702016-08-11T13:11:43.204+10:002016-08-11T13:11:43.204+10:00As I understand it there is a decades long respons...As I understand it there is a decades long response time for the ocean to react to changes in atmospheric temperatures. <br /> <br />Also, literally all records show a sharp increase in global warming during the period from 1979 through 1998, when a major El Nino boosted the world's temperature considerably. Since that time, while there has been no dramatic increase in warming, there has certainly been no significant decrease either. And according to many climate scientists, the "missing heat" expected from CO2 emissions has moved into the oceans. So could someone please explain how the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo could have cooled the ocean and raised sea levels while both the atmosphere and the ocean were warming. DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14680397332668958542016-08-11T12:52:32.931+10:002016-08-11T12:52:32.931+10:00goelobryan is one of the nuttier nuts at WUWT:
...<i>goelobryan is one of the nuttier nuts at WUWT:<br /><br /> August 10, 2016 at 9:04 am<br /> This is equivalent of:<br /> We’re surrounded by invisible space aliens – trust me!</i><br /><br />Clearly you are misreading that Sou. He is referring to the reactions of the WUWT group and actually is showing a growing realization that AGW is TRUE!jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12449862139941000562016-08-11T08:27:30.936+10:002016-08-11T08:27:30.936+10:00The reason for the chart stopping there is a bit m...The reason for the chart stopping there is a bit more mundane, metzomagic. Willis wrote his article in January 2011, so the data would have been to around June or maybe September 2010. (Currently the MSL data goes to April this year.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58645163445786006982016-08-11T08:26:37.432+10:002016-08-11T08:26:37.432+10:00I can't say how we arrived -- where we are now...I can't say how we arrived -- where we are now isn't the destination.<br />Want to be terrified?<br />https://www.google.com/search?q=godel+constitutionHank Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521410755553979665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45295126120704344722016-08-11T06:53:30.986+10:002016-08-11T06:53:30.986+10:00Sorry, I meant when there's a *simple* explana...Sorry, I meant when there's a *simple* explanation that even an 8-year old would understand, the wingnuts will refuse to accept it if it goes against their ideology.<br /><br />On the bright side, The Donald is bound to do something so stupid between now and November that it *should* make him unelectable. OTOH, expecting the average voter in the U.S. to realise that such an event happened is probably asking too much.<br /><br />Someone please remind me again... how did we arrive in this situation? That is a rhetorical question, BTW.metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13091510630319030212016-08-11T06:41:55.928+10:002016-08-11T06:41:55.928+10:00His chart stops some time in 2010 - right before t...<i>His chart stops some time in 2010 - right before that big dip in sea level when all the water was shifted from the oceans to Australia, South America and Asia.</i><br /><br />It's not like the AGW deniers to not get the most out of a cherry pick that they can. Why did they stop the chart in 2010, when end-of 2011 SLR anomalies were even lower than those of 2010 due to all the ocean water that moved inland via the severe storms that flooded (as Sou said) large parts of South America, Thailand, Pakistan, Germany, Australia, et. al.?<br /><br />Ah, but of course: when there's a scientific explanation for a climate-related phenomenon, it must be ignored at all costs. How stupid of me not to realise that.metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-37795398644970200392016-08-11T06:20:45.794+10:002016-08-11T06:20:45.794+10:00Jason 2
SARAL<a href="http://www.aviso.altimetry.fr/fileadmin/images/data/Products/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_J2_Global_IB_RWT_GIA_Adjust.png" rel="nofollow">Jason 2</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.aviso.altimetry.fr/fileadmin/images/data/Products/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_AL_Global_IB_RWT_GIA_Adjust.png" rel="nofollow">SARAL</a>JCHnoreply@blogger.com