tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post4541692685205364507..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Judith Curry admits she gets her science from (denier interpretations of?) stolen emailsSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2471426714686155242014-05-24T11:53:36.508+10:002014-05-24T11:53:36.508+10:00You're spot on Frank. Where there is not unive...You're spot on Frank. Where there is not universal agreement, the IPCC reports gravitate (in summaries/conclusions) to the lowest common denominator. The detailed text usually has more of the nuances though.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23018031707775673342014-05-24T11:46:37.130+10:002014-05-24T11:46:37.130+10:00The Overton window here is intriguing: "Legit...The Overton window here is intriguing: "Legitimate" opinion spans died in the wool denier to "IPCC-orthodox"? <br /><br />BS - "IPCC-orthodox" should be a 5 on the scale - there are plenty of people (including quite a few IPCC contributors) who think things are worse than the very conservative IPCC reports - remember, they are driven by the minimal positions that the vast majority of contributors can sign up to, not truly the "average" of those positions. Then there are people (no worse informed than deniers, though often no better informed either) who think things will be much, much worse - the real 10's on the opinion scale.<br /><br />So Curry hasn't moved from a 7 to a 3. She's moved from a 3.5 to a 1.5. I'd probably rate myself, and some of the more "alarmist" commentators here as the "real" 7's. <br /><br />Of course, to represent the IPCC reports as centrist would be a disastrous concession for the fake skeptics, so that will never happen.FrankDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62816451317932924782014-05-22T12:31:23.637+10:002014-05-22T12:31:23.637+10:00Thanks, John. As for keeping going, you've bee...Thanks, John. As for keeping going, you've been doing more than your share for longer :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22617572393099004822014-05-22T12:25:54.683+10:002014-05-22T12:25:54.683+10:00Not here much Sou but sharing your stuff around, g...Not here much Sou but sharing your stuff around, great, How the hell do you keep going?john byattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91962151930404028812014-05-22T09:45:32.861+10:002014-05-22T09:45:32.861+10:00The hiatus in surface temperatures is, I think, mo...The hiatus in surface temperatures is, I think, mostly down to the PDO phase-shift between warm and cool which happened around 2000. That shift is pretty much factored-in by now, considering the La Ninas of 2008 and 2011. Which is to say that the AGW trend is about to re-emerge.<br /><br />April looks like being a joint-record, even before a formal El Nino. That big red blob is surfacing ...Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30663162020159777432014-05-22T09:07:31.219+10:002014-05-22T09:07:31.219+10:00And when we do, are you actually going to shut-up?...And when we do, are you actually going to shut-up? <br /><br />Or just reset the 'no warming since...' calendar to that date?<br /><br />(Rhetorical question - we all know the answer, including you, and for once we're all in agreement...)billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46569401401677040862014-05-22T07:06:15.047+10:002014-05-22T07:06:15.047+10:00hey, don't knock it: it's way less effort...hey, don't knock it: it's way less effort than trying to discredit them by finding flaws in their research.<br />lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73395786151271945822014-05-22T06:59:30.880+10:002014-05-22T06:59:30.880+10:00and if the moon suddenly turns to cheese, i suspec...and if the moon suddenly turns to cheese, i suspect that more scientists will begin to question that "settled science" too.<br />lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8422179308987663292014-05-22T06:22:28.218+10:002014-05-22T06:22:28.218+10:00Do the oceans count?Do the oceans count?Flakmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14376276664043708609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71212427219458436492014-05-22T05:56:07.045+10:002014-05-22T05:56:07.045+10:00If we don't see some warming soon, I suspect t...If we don't see some warming soon, I suspect that more scientists will begin to question the "settled science".Skeptikalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73883369120924063562014-05-22T03:14:22.664+10:002014-05-22T03:14:22.664+10:00I know that a large majority of scientists base th...I know that a large majority of scientists base their interpretations of their research areas upon out of context snippets of other people's emails (rolls eyes).Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13495423359154932122014-05-22T02:48:14.476+10:002014-05-22T02:48:14.476+10:00There is some credible research that suggests that...There is some credible research that suggests that the hiatus may continue, until 2027...<br /><br />http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013GL057877/pdf<br /><br />...though that is disputed here...<br /><br />http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL059233/abstract<br /><br />It is entirely possible, in my ignorant opinion, that the Atlantic MultiDecadal Oscillation should, under normal circumstances, cause global temps to oscillate up and down in a 60 year long sinewave.<br /><br />Add CO2, and that sinewave looks like a staircase, with 30 year long risers, and 30 year long treads.<br /><br />The giveaway as to Judith's ideological bias is the absolutely trashy denialist neoliberal nonsense articles which "catch her eye" every week. If it's bashing science, and other scientists, Judith's buying it.idunnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48444578361322032572014-05-22T01:49:56.029+10:002014-05-22T01:49:56.029+10:00The deniers are busy gearing themselves up for tha...The deniers are busy gearing themselves up for that in case there is a temperature hike with the possible El Nino this year. <br /><br />Perennially puzzled Bob Tisdale is all over it with his sunlight fueled ENSO that miraculously warms but never cools the earth. Goodness knows where he thinks the sun was hiding prior to 1970.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15620765085022378552014-05-22T01:30:34.480+10:002014-05-22T01:30:34.480+10:00Her statement is not so unlikely to be half true: ...Her statement is not so unlikely to be half true: e.g. this year and next the temperature might set a new record due to El Nino, then it might "stagnate" around that higher level for 10-15 years. Noise + linear trend can easily look like a step function, and then you can talk of stagnation at each step.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64134164023878089002014-05-22T00:34:31.141+10:002014-05-22T00:34:31.141+10:00"I think that solar effects, combined with th..."I think that solar effects, combined with the large scale ocean-circulation regimes, presage continued stagnation in global temperatures for the next two decade"<br /><br />So she's jumped on a bandwagon that's careering towards the rocks...<br /><br /><br /><br />Nednoreply@blogger.com