tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post3625073182445865010..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: McCarthyism my foot! Stoat has the story about Lennart Bengtsson and the GWPF...Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87098099644622002482014-05-17T12:33:31.266+10:002014-05-17T12:33:31.266+10:00well there's a difference between understandin...well there's a difference between understanding the science and then discussing the policy implications from the perspective of your political philosophy, and seeking to undermine the science for political purposes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39024178408506131142014-05-17T08:18:54.340+10:002014-05-17T08:18:54.340+10:00"I am worried by a wider trend that science i..."I am worried by a wider trend that science is being gradually being influenced by political views."<br /><br />This is from the person who joined and then resigned from the GWPF.MikeHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48518425198672048462014-05-17T07:06:01.806+10:002014-05-17T07:06:01.806+10:00Bengtsson makes a statement:
“I do not believe th...Bengtsson makes a statement:<br /><br />“I do not believe there is any systematic “cover up” of scientific evidence on climate change or that academics’ work is being “deliberately suppressed”, as The Times front page suggests. I am worried by a wider trend that science is being gradually being influenced by political views. Policy decisions need to be based on solid fact."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-claims-climate-research-was-suppressed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-claims-climate-research-was-suppressed/</a>Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45856552901941169502014-05-17T01:06:28.293+10:002014-05-17T01:06:28.293+10:00Thanks for the link to the IOP statement. It is h...Thanks for the link to the IOP statement. It is hard to see why he left the GWPF: it would seem to be his natural home.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73006120724026538092014-05-17T00:30:50.572+10:002014-05-17T00:30:50.572+10:00what's that, denialists quote-mining perfectly...what's that, denialists quote-mining perfectly reasonable statements to make it look like mainstream scientists are close-minded and dishonest? oh no, i can't imagine them ever doing anything like that.<br />lignenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68617329217751023942014-05-16T22:53:27.542+10:002014-05-16T22:53:27.542+10:00Anonymous 6:20 PM, that is going to be very bad fo...Anonymous 6:20 PM, that is going to be very bad for Bengtsson:<br /><br />http://ioppublishing.org/newsDetails/statement-from-iop-publishing-on-story-in-the-times<br />Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69806440987365556072014-05-16T18:20:15.166+10:002014-05-16T18:20:15.166+10:00As I was saying: Here is tomorrow's front page...As I was saying: Here is tomorrow's front page of the Times.<br />http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article4091344.ece<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57432207801245476842014-05-16T17:25:43.350+10:002014-05-16T17:25:43.350+10:00I wonder how the comments to Dr. Bengtsson compare...I wonder how the comments to Dr. Bengtsson compare with:<br /><br />the office breakin @ Andrew Weaver's<br /><br />dead rat on doorstep for Ben Santer<br /><br />hate mails sent to Katharine Hayhoe<br /><br />those cataloged in <a rel="nofollow">Pseudoskeptics Exposed In The SalbyStorm</a>. (GWPF participated, somewhat)<br />That of course is especially relevant to Oz, given the amount of discourse found @ NOVA. The phrase book will likely not be a surprise here, but there were some innovations.<br />John Masheyhttp://www.desmogblog.com/user/john-masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28157058935800905482014-05-16T16:18:36.033+10:002014-05-16T16:18:36.033+10:00Comments notated as deleted by me (blog administra...Comments notated as deleted by me (blog administrator) for not complying with the comment policy have been moved to <a href="http://hotwhopper.com/HotWhoppery.html" rel="nofollow">the HotWhoppery</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59238373245745719302014-05-16T13:06:20.650+10:002014-05-16T13:06:20.650+10:00:-) :-) :-):-) :-) :-)Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68945272617906576352014-05-16T10:53:14.214+10:002014-05-16T10:53:14.214+10:00I think one of the commenters at Stoat has it righ...I think one of the commenters at Stoat has it right: Bengtsson just wanted to be introduced to Nigella Lawson, and things didn't work out.Wuggleshttp://www.thisismyurl.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82155102769845218402014-05-16T10:30:32.811+10:002014-05-16T10:30:32.811+10:00You go Nik! By the way, can we have a look at tha...You go Nik! By the way, can we have a look at that PhD of yours? Does it really say "Nonsense"?Wuggleshttp://www.thisismyurl.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15873712124073000032014-05-16T05:21:56.512+10:002014-05-16T05:21:56.512+10:00idunno and Marco
Thank you both.
And oh dear, D...idunno and Marco<br /><br />Thank you both. <br /><br />And oh dear, Dr Bengtsson. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50500826084677991252014-05-16T04:53:17.624+10:002014-05-16T04:53:17.624+10:00No McCarthyism. But it seems that sceptics have t...No McCarthyism. But it seems that sceptics have the right of 'freedom of association' and climate scientists do not.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45647717927081105512014-05-16T04:01:56.469+10:002014-05-16T04:01:56.469+10:00Ernest, your comment doesn't follow from the p...Ernest, your comment doesn't follow from the previous one. (Don't worry; we've used to that.) The (single) potential co-author who has apparently (undocumented so far) decided not to publish with Bengtsson because of his affiliation with GWPF didn't to my knowledge say that their paper would be rejected because of Bengtsson's name on it: he/she simply doesn't want to be known as "Dr X, who works with Bengtsson of the GWPF".<br /><br />I don't see any McCarthyism in that.PLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31098505065872970762014-05-16T03:27:24.808+10:002014-05-16T03:27:24.808+10:00You do understand that papers need to be peer revi...You do understand that papers need to be peer reviewed?<br />So unless your paper is relevant, truthful, stands up to scientific scrutiny ,is robust enough to explain certain principles without fear of contradiction or exposure as being unfit for purpose ,then it will not get published?<br />There are loads of examples I could cite , but I would rather leave on a happy note.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08981995591819086349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44230768979650359902014-05-16T02:26:44.207+10:002014-05-16T02:26:44.207+10:00BBD, original (in Swedish) here:
http://www.klimat...BBD, original (in Swedish) here:<br />http://www.klimatupplysningen.se/2014/01/23/grona-moten/#comment-361068<br /><br />But this one is quite telling also:<br />http://www.klimatupplysningen.se/2014/05/10/lennart-bengtsson-kommenterar-dn-artikel/<br />In which an open letter asking for a moratorium on any policy decisions that would increase GHG emissions will, according to Bengtsson, then lead to banning "incorrect" ideas and books, and even book burnings ("Nästa steg blir väl att bannlysa det felaktiga tänkandet eller bannlysa eller rent av bränna olämpliga böcker"). Apparently, the proposal reminds him of the 1930s' intellectual atmosphere, too ("Att jag läst tillräckligt om 1930-talets intellektuella atmosfär i Europa är tillräckligt för att ge mig verkliga obehagskänslor").Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44308253806695658082014-05-16T01:28:04.055+10:002014-05-16T01:28:04.055+10:00It's terribly sad how anglophone world leaders...It's terribly sad how anglophone world leaders are mostly just sitting around fiddling. Luckily, not everyone in the world speak English as a native language. Unluckily, the anglos make up the richest, most carbon-intensive economies.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23771313480341406392014-05-16T01:21:55.890+10:002014-05-16T01:21:55.890+10:00Playing whack-a-Nik looks like no fun.
I wonder i...Playing whack-a-Nik looks like no fun.<br /><br />I wonder if they actually do have that Ph.D. from two universities, or if that's made up too.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40546902999921630202014-05-16T01:16:36.378+10:002014-05-16T01:16:36.378+10:00It's a shame that the GDR disappeared otherwis...It's a shame that the GDR disappeared otherwise we would have been able to offer one-way tickets there for these raving socialists. Now there's unfortunately not many orthodox countries left soon and I surely do not imagine our romantic green Communists want a one-way ticket to North Korea. But if interested I will gladly contribute to the trip as long as it concerns a one way exit. Perhaps you could arrange a Gallup study, then it can not be ruled out that I underestimated utresebehovet. 5<br /><br />H/T Rabbett Runidunnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40885332055059773962014-05-16T00:50:00.698+10:002014-05-16T00:50:00.698+10:00Did he? Is there a link to this act of magnanimity...Did he? Is there a link to this act of magnanimity? I think it deserves a wider audience amongst those <i>concerned</i> that Dr Bengtsson is a apolitical seeker after truth fallen victim to dark forces. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32002556268272793662014-05-16T00:39:40.210+10:002014-05-16T00:39:40.210+10:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Nikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15976438709930148037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55818984773056146992014-05-16T00:19:22.771+10:002014-05-16T00:19:22.771+10:00His reference to McCarthyism gets decidedly funny ...His reference to McCarthyism gets decidedly funny when you know Bengtsson once offered to pay the one-way emigration ticket of socialists and communists.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51782363276030600202014-05-16T00:18:21.463+10:002014-05-16T00:18:21.463+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85807974541977419902014-05-16T00:10:26.274+10:002014-05-16T00:10:26.274+10:00PrintScreened that. I love the coming out of the r...PrintScreened that. I love the coming out of the real rats who speak of their mirror images.<br /><br />"Apologizing the reaction by the climate fascists is unforgivable and as far as I can say, William Connolley and the cripple on this blog should get a death penalty."<br /><br />This is no joke. History is crystal on what happens when this sort comes to power.<br />Climate revisionists mean it. They may not mean it now, but that changes the moment this type has the means - simple sociopsychological phenomenon. <br /><br />Cure by Sandy 2.0 or 'Milleniumhochwasser' 3.0 (they happen every dozen years in Europe now, and guess what's happening in the upper Donau region <i>as we speak</i>).cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.com