tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2969734725190022522..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Rampant alarmism at WUWT (again) about UN climate talks in GenevaSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62633560205344949222015-02-14T19:34:09.649+11:002015-02-14T19:34:09.649+11:00What do you mean by 'these days'? A couple...What do you mean by 'these days'? A couple of decades ago, most governments began tightening up accounting procedures for all employees sent overseas on official business. 'These days, in theory, you can get properly reimbursed, if you have prior approval for all the expenses you incur. In practice, sh*t happens, and you don't/can't.<br /><br />I'd hate to think you're trying to feed the denialist meme about armies of generously paid officials spending their lives junketing on the conference circuit. That tactic's called the politics of envy, isn't it? I-beamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42771180723249035942015-02-14T06:31:42.043+11:002015-02-14T06:31:42.043+11:00Cugel,
Smokey doesn't like it when the same p...Cugel,<br /><br />Smokey doesn't like it when the same playbook is used against him. Start around:<br /><br />------------------<br />Brandon Gates<br />February 12, 2015 at 7:01 am<br />dbstealey,<br /><br /> “Arch-warmist Dr. Phil Jones shows us that natural variability causes the same changes whether human emissions are low, or high …<br /><br />There’s just no fixing your particular brand of stupid dishonesty, is there.<br />------------------<br /><br />And watch it twist and wind (and whine) until about here:<br /><br />------------------<br />dbstealey<br />February 13, 2015 at 5:17 am<br />rooter says:<br />dbstealey has problems<br />No, rooter, YOU have problems. Psychological problems. Big ones.<br />You’ve been bird-dogging my comments again — six times tonight alone. It’s like that every night. You need to get a real life. I don’t chase you around the threads, pestering you with inane comments. Why do you do it You are certainly convincing no one of anything with your religious beliefs.<br />------------------<br /><br />The WUWT enforcer, party whip and minister of propaganda complains about being singled out of the herd. Bawww, I'm crying a river of crocodile tears too. [sniff sniff]<br /><br />https://archive.today/PCz9D<br /><br />Ironically, from the "AGU are trough-feeding pigs" article Sou covered previously, but the pack-hunters not liking it when they get pack-hunted psychology more relevant here.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59486559194058087922015-02-14T01:47:37.585+11:002015-02-14T01:47:37.585+11:00It's a variant of the Serengeti Strategy; rath...It's a variant of the Serengeti Strategy; rather than attack all the institutions where the research is actually done they attribute everything to the IPCC and then demonise it.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45932872874162531692015-02-14T01:39:09.891+11:002015-02-14T01:39:09.891+11:00I'm referring to professional diplomats, who a...I'm referring to professional diplomats, who are not expected to pay their own way these days.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47195975993677185952015-02-14T00:20:58.838+11:002015-02-14T00:20:58.838+11:00It is telling that below a WUWT post on the politi...It is telling that below a WUWT post on the political UN climate negotiations, several comments complain about the IPCC, which only makes a scientific assessment of the science and is not a party in the negotiations. For them it is all the same; good they are not doing science.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25749542448178653372015-02-13T18:07:59.363+11:002015-02-13T18:07:59.363+11:00Expense accounts? Another instance of the denialis...Expense accounts? Another instance of the denialists engaging in the politics of envy.<br />Maybe it's so for some of the G77 participants, but these days it's pretty much a fact of the international negotiator's life that you will come back from these meetings out of pocket and bleary-eyed. I-beamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8567421294655615272015-02-13T16:16:48.949+11:002015-02-13T16:16:48.949+11:00"WUWT-ers don't come across many deniers ..."WUWT-ers don't come across many deniers in real life"<br /><br />...unless they live in Alabama. <br /><br />- sigh -<br /><br />Adam R.<br />Mobile, AL USAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12593397404176777562015-02-13T15:10:16.523+11:002015-02-13T15:10:16.523+11:00I have no doubt that the change in the frequency a...I have no doubt that the change in the frequency and style of climate coverage by US network news in mid 2014 is responsible for the hike in AGW concern amongst the US public. The TV coverage in the previous the six (Obama) years was vastly damaging.<br /><br />The filthy manner in which the CRU thefts were dealt became the instruction manual for professional deniers on how to change public opinion overnight.<br /><br />Judith Curry, a climate scientist who has a 'trick' or two up her own sleeve employed that theft to construct a reason to go all heterodoxy on us. <br />The Telegraph via Christopher Booker and others have followed that CRU theft model. I’ll bet that public polling following the Telegraph’s misleading temp data coverage, will show a dip in warming concerns. I can’t wait for Mosher to write a book about it…Oh wait.<br /><br />Cudgel you say “I don't think decision-makers have ever been much influenced by the AGW denial movement”. Well I’m not a scientist but you are wrong. <br /><br />Nearly all US lawmakers on the right have had their climate stance bolstered or dictated to by their electorate. Those in the GOP who acknowledged science had to ditch it in favor of getting elected. Think Mitt Romney in 2012. <br />Those who found themselves re-contesting Senate seats in educated electorates like Massachusetts (where the GOP did not expect to win in 2010) suddenly embraced science. Think Scott Brown.<br /><br />Australia’s Prime Minister Tony Abbott hosted the G-20 conference in Brisbane in November. Li Keqiang, Francois Hollande, Angela Merkel, David Cameron and the EU reps all agreed with President Obama that member climate responses should be on the G-20 agenda. Abbott as host said ‘stick it up your arse it ain’t happening’. In very Putin-esque tones he told the world’s leaders that his greatest policy achievement was to ditch carbon pricing. I kid you not. He made a spectacle of himself and Australia because he felt safe that the electorate would back him as it did 12 months earlier in the federal election. <br /><br />President Obama went all ninja on Abbott by organizing a speech at the University of Queensland where he gave a big verbal hi-5 to Cook at al. Needless to say President Obama won that bout. Climate was on the table in Brisbane.<br /><br />Abbott’s anti science triumphalism is informed by his anti-science election victory. That’s how it works – everywhere. It’s up to us. The voters.<br />PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45340993658438498362015-02-13T13:26:25.040+11:002015-02-13T13:26:25.040+11:00This is the stuff of life for diplomats; thousands...This is the stuff of life for diplomats; thousands (if not tens of thousands) of them are swarming over this, all jockeying for something they can point to as vbeing in their nation's interest, just to justify their very existence and expense-accounts.<br /><br />And some people at the UN are supposed to be herding that lot along some pre-laid track? I think not. Only the mighty Al Gore could do that :)Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44578214822260062542015-02-13T13:14:41.688+11:002015-02-13T13:14:41.688+11:00My very intelligent mother always checks things wi...My very intelligent mother always checks things with me, but then I'm the one who favoured reading over breeding :)<br /><br />I don't blame people at all for the FUD they're presented with; most of them don't have the time or inclination to look deeper into it. Even so, awareness and concern is growing amongst the general population.<br /><br />I don't think decision-makers have ever been much influenced by the AGW denial movement, they've done pretty much what you'd expect - set up a committee to make a report, get them to refine it, and again, set targets for 2030 and call it action. Now I think it's coming home to politicians that the problems thrown up by AGW will pepper their own careers, not the next generation's. That gets their attention.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52982456649620975962015-02-13T11:54:52.668+11:002015-02-13T11:54:52.668+11:00Eric's either ignorant of, or misrepresenting,...Eric's either ignorant of, or misrepresenting, the drafting process leading up to the Geneva meeting. I leave it to you to decide which.<br /><br />For agreements developed under UN auspices, the process is pretty much the same- a preliminary draft is produced by a small group/Secretariat to provide starting point for wider discussion. A series of negotiating meetings are held. Text is added and removed on the basis of discussions at these meetings. <br /><br />More significantly for the apparent blowout in length, where there are differing suggestions on an issue, all the options will be included in the text. Consequently, there are frequently situations where the text emerging from a negotiating meeting may contain two, three or more items of text addressing the same issue, representing the views of each of the main blocs at the meeting, say one from the EU, one from the G77 (or G77 + China), one from the USA, one from the Small Island States etc. This is the square-bracketed text beloved of diplomats. With a process like this, perhaps the wonder is that the 38 page draft blew out to only 100 pages.<br /><br />At the following meeting, these options are worked through in order to achieve an agreed common position. Compromises are reached, deals are done, and the text shrinks back to a manageable size. I-beamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43314138832946235902015-02-13T11:28:52.680+11:002015-02-13T11:28:52.680+11:00Yes Cugel and so is The Daily Mail, The climate pa...Yes Cugel and so is The Daily Mail, The climate page of the WSJ (AKA it's front page) and The Telegraph. Hysterically influential. <br />When my highly intelligent mother in law reads this stuff, why wouldn't she accept it on face value? Seriously, who could blame her?<br /><br />Thus the necessity of the BBC, the ABC and yes, HotWhopper and its ilk. PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-49774703924040059462015-02-13T11:13:18.269+11:002015-02-13T11:13:18.269+11:00They're hysterical, aren't they?They're hysterical, aren't they?Cugelnoreply@blogger.com