tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2874229671167839830..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Denier weirdness: Is Steve McIntyre calling the instrumental record an "artifact"?Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6809027401000524812014-06-27T09:40:30.906+10:002014-06-27T09:40:30.906+10:00Yea, but when most of the GOP crowd is dependent o...Yea, but when most of the GOP crowd is dependent on "nutballs" by that I mean, faith based thinkers who put ideology above reality - what's left for us ??? <br /><br />Look at the entire party and the special interest forces who make up their backbone. Look at how they deal with science and complex real world issues… by unleashing their dogs of wrath on anyone who dares talk demonstrable facts and such - so what can we expect at this point?<br /><br />I would suggest that a the root of it all is that the "god" of their In God We Trust… is a self-made creation of human-egomania, a character of political convenience, who's got nothing to do with any God of Creation or Time.<br /><br />Consider the Republican dependence on hostility during the Clinton's and Obama's administration - "F the country/future, their marching orders were to do and say anything and everything to damage their presidencies. Not one f'n real concern for dealing with the growing problems of our time… always politics of power and profits. <br /><br />Christ Republicans still believe they did a good thing with their Bush/Cheney's war of adventure in Iraq and it's Obama who's screwed it all up - when the current outcome was easy to project the day they started planning that insanity. Their disconnect from down to Earth happenings is utterly incomprehensible to me. . .<br /><br />OK, enough of my opinion - the following has little to with my particular rant here. But, it does highlight the Republican faith-based absolutist thinking that requires them to make enemies of all who disagree with them.<br />~ ~ ~<br /><br />This guy makes some good points about the Gore Effect - worth considering<br /><br />"Tracing the Republican Evolution on Climate Change"<br />PAUL WALDMAN MAY 12, 2014<br />http://prospect.org/article/tracing-republican-evolution-climate-changecitizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-106144580725087952014-06-27T07:42:15.670+10:002014-06-27T07:42:15.670+10:00Yes, "Steven Goddard" confused triple po...Yes, "Steven Goddard" <a href="https://archive.today/mPht2#selection-14331.0-14367.56" title="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/29/sea-ice-news-20/#comment-472379" rel="nofollow">confused triple points</a> so badly that even <strong>Anthony Watts</strong> was forced to say <em>"Steven, you really need to stop. ... you are [behaving incredibly badly]"</em><br /><br />He's <a href="https://archive.today/bwo0e" title="http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/antarctica-gets-cold-enough-to-freeze-co2/" rel="nofollow">still digging that hole</a> (!) and does seem to have <a href="https://archive.today/LKANf#selection-1925.0-1953.88" title="http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/todays-humor/#comment-375458" rel="nofollow">hard feelings</a>.Dumb Scientisthttp://dumbscientist.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42823508717344456292014-06-27T02:36:29.845+10:002014-06-27T02:36:29.845+10:00Remember tha Goddard used to be a guest poster at ...Remember tha Goddard used to be a guest poster at WUWT, and that ended up badly when he wrote a post claiming that it snows dry ice in Antarctica. In Watts' effort to keep an "open mind" the conversation drifted into claims that all physics textbooks that address the physics of gasses are wrong, Goddard right. Eventually even Watts saw the foolishness of this. Goddard wouldn't stop with his claims. Upshot in the end was that Goddard was ejected from the mothership. I suspect that hard feelings on both sides still exist.<br /><br />At least, that's my remembrance.dhogazanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35380297163421872502014-06-27T01:16:22.967+10:002014-06-27T01:16:22.967+10:00Isn't it interesting that climate deniers and ...Isn't it interesting that climate deniers and the American Republican Party seem to be undergoing schisms at the same time, with both trying to de-louse themselves of nutball cooties? Not surprising, though, given the considerable Venn diagram overlaps involved.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03915691567092166636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43258715388022798122014-06-27T00:51:07.960+10:002014-06-27T00:51:07.960+10:00"The show is handing out prizes for the best ..."The show is handing out prizes for the best denier..."<br /><br />How is the winner determined? Is it whoever's followers manage to create the the largest illusory crowd?Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29772978314837048922014-06-26T21:47:15.473+10:002014-06-26T21:47:15.473+10:00Yes, you read that right.
Although NOAA probably ...Yes, you read that right.<br /><br />Although NOAA probably consider Watts & D'Aleo accusing them of fraudulent data manipulation a greater insult still.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91953106122167365422014-06-26T19:35:13.747+10:002014-06-26T19:35:13.747+10:00Do I read that right. Dr. Dennis Bray, employee of...Do I read that right. Dr. Dennis Bray, employee of Von Storch and co-blogger at the Klimazwiebel, is saying that Steven Goddard and NOAA are similarly reliable? That must be one of biggest insults hurdled at NOAA in a long time. <br /><br />That on a blog where you are not allowed to say anything bad about climate sceptics, because Von Stroch's want to build bridges to these fragile people.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66321528929431152132014-06-26T17:20:24.174+10:002014-06-26T17:20:24.174+10:00Well, this episode has been useful to me, as I can...Well, this episode has been useful to me, as I can now point out to Dr. Dennis Bray, if he ever decides to venture on one of the blogs I frequent (maybe he will return briefly at ATTP?), that even Anthony Watts has criticized Goddard.<br /><br />Since this may sound opaque, see<br />http://klimazwiebel.blogspot.com/2014/03/climate-change-near-bottom-of-public.html?showComment=1395046798113#c4455096560298544162<br />"Steve Goddard, NOAA – is there really that much difference?"Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67822038817356581612014-06-26T16:53:34.192+10:002014-06-26T16:53:34.192+10:00Flakmeister, I'm thinking Anthony's probab...Flakmeister, I'm thinking Anthony's probably a bit put out that "Steve Goddard" caught the limelight on Fox News, while Anthony "surface station" Watts only got a footnote. Not only that, because they are both science deniers, Anthony gets tarred with the same brush for Steve's incompetence. He'd be trying to regain some ground.<br /><br />Anthony didn't start off too well, doing a Marcott denial, like Steve McIntyre. <br /><br />The episode is splitting deniers into camps. There is no middle ground. Anthony and Steve McIntyre would like to think there is, but outside of the deniosphere there isn't. I think both Steve Goddard and Anthony Watts are sharing the stage at the upcoming denier-fest in Las Vegas. I wonder how that will work out? (The show is handing out prizes for the best denier but I don't think either of them won any prizes this time around.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40777747244464699572014-06-26T15:21:59.501+10:002014-06-26T15:21:59.501+10:00I am more intrigued by AW by playing the "ske...I am more intrigued by AW by playing the "skeptic" with Goddard...<br />Are these posts just part of some long term plan to portray WUWT as "fair and balanced" ?Flakmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14376276664043708609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79687758886142868862014-06-26T14:06:54.390+10:002014-06-26T14:06:54.390+10:00Sou, I think you maybe misinterpreting "artif...Sou, I think you maybe misinterpreting "artifact" in the context of Steve's post. Taking time spatial raw data that is "noisy" and running it through a computer adjustment program can create can create artifacts in the data that might not be correct depending on the statistical/mathematical method you are using. Kind of like Mann originally using end weighted PCA instead of center weighted. The current GISS & HCN raw data set is adjusted for good reason, see <a href="http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha02300a.html" rel="nofollow">Hansen 2001</a> for the rational for station adjustments. I do find it odd that the HCN data set has approx. 70k raw data stations but report 90k+ adjusted stations. I'm guessing it is a <a href="http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr/6/c006p215.pdf" rel="nofollow">kriging method</a>. I'm not sure how the GISS & HCN is being adjusted, does anyone have a layman's explanation?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com