tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2834218821111625537..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: The mid-troposphere has been warming faster than you thoughtSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41322499838390660642016-03-06T18:05:23.031+11:002016-03-06T18:05:23.031+11:00Thanks for that background, Tom. I wondered whethe...Thanks for that background, Tom. I wondered whether Pielke Sr demanded(*) one of you guys review the Fall et al paper.<br /><br />* because surely he would *demand* that, considering his own views that those who are 'affected' by a paper should be allowed to review the paper!Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35355093898684401042016-03-06T11:55:22.477+11:002016-03-06T11:55:22.477+11:00Thanks Thomas. I can understand why Senior tried t...Thanks Thomas. I can understand why Senior tried to interfere with the publication of your paper.<br /><br />"This analysis takes the opportunity afforded by the work<br />of Davey and Pielke to evaluate not only the effects of poor station siting, but also the homogeneity adjustment techniques painstakingly developed over many years at the National Climatic Data Center. The results indicate that the work was not done in vain: the homogeneity adjustments did an excellent job of accounting for time-dependent biases at the stations examined and the homogeneity-adjusted data do not indicate any time-dependent bias caused by current poor station siting"<br /><br />And I am guessing that your colleagues were following that example when they took the same approach to rebutting Anthony Watts' claims a few years later. <br /><br />http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/01/28/205416/watts-not-to-love-new-study-finds-the-poor-u-s-weather-stations-tend-to-have-a-slight-cool-bias-not-a-warm-one/<br />MikeHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70258926247812678622016-03-06T09:26:17.722+11:002016-03-06T09:26:17.722+11:00Related to Senior but not limited to him, one of t...Related to Senior but not limited to him, one of the things I’ve been amazed at lately is how science has progressed over the last couple decades while some individuals haven’t. To illustrate, Senior and a graduate student published a paper in 2005 containing photographs showing poorly sited stations. Their conclusion: It is “not advisable to use” data from these stations. A few weeks later while paddling a kayak in northern Wisconsin on a camping trip, I suddenly realized that Senior never actually looked at the data. So I did, wrote a paper, and submitted it. I didn’t rebut anything Senior wrote, I just used the metadata they had generated. But my goodness what response: Senior argued that my paper should only be accepted for publication if he could publish a rebuttal in the same issue. The editor said no, as my paper didn’t impugn his work at all. I was told he then took the matter to the editior-in-chief and got the same response and then on to the AMS publications commission, which again gave the same response. In the intervening years he doesn’t seem to have changed his view of how he and his colleagues should use peer review. Ah, ‘tis nice to be retired and feeling freer to share these experiences publically. FYI, my paper is available here: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/BAMS-87-8-1073.Thomas Petersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54416692635083618992016-03-05T05:13:36.242+11:002016-03-05T05:13:36.242+11:00I suppose you could add or substitute "bleedi...I suppose you could add or substitute "bleeding" and/or "still-warm."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10623251255394196751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12105278266235513162016-03-05T05:13:22.780+11:002016-03-05T05:13:22.780+11:00I suppose you could add or substitute "bleedi...I suppose you could add or substitute "bleeding" and/or "still-warm."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10623251255394196751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20736389439223074962016-03-04T21:11:42.144+11:002016-03-04T21:11:42.144+11:00The whole discussion is, once again, illuminating ...The whole discussion is, once again, illuminating when it comes to Roger Pielke Sr.<br /><br />Apparently Spencer & Christy are "affected" by this paper...Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35562025518727494842016-03-04T20:12:05.537+11:002016-03-04T20:12:05.537+11:00Below is an actual exchange on Spencer's own b...Below is an actual exchange on Spencer's own blog:<br /><br />Larry Fig<br />March 1, 2016 at 11:34 AM<br />Dr. Spencer,<br /><br />Might I kindly suggest you take another look at your new way of adjusting satellite data to get temperatures? Obviously your Mar. data is too high.<br /><br />With respect,<br />Larry<br /><br />Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.<br />March 1, 2016 at 11:45 AM<br />let me know what you think the answer should be and I’ll correct it. LOL<br /><br />Larry Fig says:<br />March 1, 2016 at 11:54 AM<br />As long as you don’t make it higher than the peak in 1998 we can say that the the pause continues. What you are doing is very dangerous and irresponsible.<br /><br />With respect,<br />Larry<br /><br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/03/uah-v6-global-temperature-update-for-feb-2016-0-83-deg-c-new-record/#commentsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06307504209573050416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63059447177125340322016-03-04T19:32:20.969+11:002016-03-04T19:32:20.969+11:00Spencer and Christy deviating from what everyone e...Spencer and Christy deviating from what everyone else is seeing. We know how that ends.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78182398249939251282016-03-04T19:19:58.277+11:002016-03-04T19:19:58.277+11:00Senior seems or appears to be upset about this new...Senior seems or appears to be upset about this new peer reviewed paper. Suggests that the always error prone Spencer and Christy should have been peer reviewers on JoC version of paper.<br /><br />https://twitter.com/RogerAPielkeSr/status/705160376300675072<br />https://twitter.com/RogerAPielkeSr<br /><br />Ho hum.<br /><br />It looks like Spencer and Christy will be the only proxy based time series index meeting the "fixed" nature of a "gold standard" of "flatlined" data acceptable to their fellow peers, like Curry, like Senior, like Watts, like Godtard, like Monkers, like Cruz and especially like Lamar Smith.Everett F Sargenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00201577558036010680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50915283890499062042016-03-04T17:09:29.140+11:002016-03-04T17:09:29.140+11:00Thanks to Anonymous, I've been able to update ...Thanks to <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/03/the-mid-troposphere-has-been-warming.html?showComment=1456994745845#c6270893072308723672" rel="nofollow">Anonymous</a>, I've been able to update the TMT chart with the correct data, which is now consistent with the paper. I've <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/03/the-mid-troposphere-has-been-warming.html#updated" rel="nofollow">amended the article</a> accordingly.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33699297766440302982016-03-04T10:12:18.190+11:002016-03-04T10:12:18.190+11:00Of course there's no such thing as a satellite...Of course there's no such thing as a satellite temperature measurement. <br /><br />Temperatures are all calculated based on various microwave radiance readings at different times, angles and frequencies, merged from different satellites using merging parameters, and then weighted based on a model of the atmosphere.<br /><br />I don't think "raw" data would be much help to anyone.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67966874424699826872016-03-04T06:14:01.260+11:002016-03-04T06:14:01.260+11:00Has anyone else noticed that Watty has ads playing...Has anyone else noticed that Watty has ads playing sound on WU now?<br /><br />Feeling the pinch?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48433879240970968282016-03-04T06:05:45.517+11:002016-03-04T06:05:45.517+11:00"A thermometer hanging on a long rope from a ..."A thermometer hanging on a long rope from a satellite would be rather warm as a result of the atmospheric friction"<br /><br />Careful now: frictional heating from satellite thermometer tethers could be the new Russian steam pipes.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27870073517712065172016-03-04T02:09:02.824+11:002016-03-04T02:09:02.824+11:00A thermomenter hanging on a long rope from a satel...<i>A thermomenter hanging on a long rope from a satellite would be rather warm as a result of the atmospheric friction...</i><br /><br />Not if the satellite is in geosynchronous orbit. You'd just need a really, really long rope.chrisdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10494573891618930891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42653240341682795042016-03-04T01:10:44.471+11:002016-03-04T01:10:44.471+11:00Roy Spencer is now also part of the "Karlizat...<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/03/01/february-was-earths-warmest-month-in-satellite-record/" rel="nofollow">Roy Spencer</a> is now also part of the "Karlization’ of global temperature": “I’ve always cautioned fellow skeptics that it’s dangerous to claim no warming”<br /><br />Always.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3118975872289490942016-03-04T00:06:30.590+11:002016-03-04T00:06:30.590+11:00Bernard - at Climate Etc., I once posted they coul...Bernard - at Climate Etc., I once posted they could ground truth the satellites by hanging thermometers off them on long ropes. Great minds stink alike. JCHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34508058320245169992016-03-03T23:43:45.038+11:002016-03-03T23:43:45.038+11:00The main lesson for me from all this is that Watts...The main lesson for me from all this is that Watts now accepts that satellite data can be easily manipulated and should not be trusted - whereas before he was saying it was desperation for anyone to diss the satellite data.Bellmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04872924578152375407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53565788810794488022016-03-03T23:39:31.579+11:002016-03-03T23:39:31.579+11:00D.C.Petterson, I see you've had a comment dele...D.C.Petterson, I see you've had a comment deleted on WUWT because you used the D word. Presumably you weren't talking about satellite or pause deniers. Bellmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04872924578152375407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13987841531293074312016-03-03T21:36:25.536+11:002016-03-03T21:36:25.536+11:00"it only counts if you go down."
Bang o..."it only counts if you go down."<br /><br />Bang on. Doctor Roy adjusted his temperatures in the WUWT approved direction and they loved him fort it even though he neglected to show anybody his workings.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86151833884320916012016-03-03T21:28:06.407+11:002016-03-03T21:28:06.407+11:00"Anonymous", your link opens up with &qu..."Anonymous", your link opens up with "Channel: TLT", but that is not the v4.0 result (it's the old v3.3 result). But the drop-down list for "Channel" does have v4.0 results for TTT and TMT. <br /><br />TLT for v4.0 is likely to follow, but I have not seen any projected release date yet.<br />--GP AlldredgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-50595095285370746532016-03-03T20:51:14.365+11:002016-03-03T20:51:14.365+11:00Spencer will be ecstatic. Now UAH 6 will be the st...Spencer will be ecstatic. Now UAH 6 will be the standard most accurate data set.Steyrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62708930723087236722016-03-03T19:45:45.845+11:002016-03-03T19:45:45.845+11:00The new dataset is now included here:
http://image...The new dataset is now included here:<br />http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_data_monthly.html?type=trend<br /><br />not in the link that you provided (anymore?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18314767538401610452016-03-03T19:23:01.417+11:002016-03-03T19:23:01.417+11:00It's not "science" if you adjust any...It's not "science" if you adjust any data upwards don't you know. it only counts if you go down.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17614652735774985250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48117560591098339432016-03-03T19:04:54.090+11:002016-03-03T19:04:54.090+11:00Anthony Watts calls this "The ‘Karlization’ o...<i>Anthony Watts calls this "The ‘Karlization’ of global temperature".</i><br /><br />Oh FFS. Malignant clown. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88727754597263503392016-03-03T19:04:51.288+11:002016-03-03T19:04:51.288+11:00'Karlization' means to make oneself a prim...'Karlization' means to make oneself a primary target of malicious and vindictive climate denying politicians and bloggers. Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.com