tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2771343510465169652..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Improving the temperature record vs conspiracy theories at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36872271226773566122015-09-30T12:25:52.076+10:002015-09-30T12:25:52.076+10:00Google Nigel Persaud for Stevie Mac's sockpupp...Google Nigel Persaud for Stevie Mac's sockpuppet.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26819077701123048572015-09-30T00:25:27.365+10:002015-09-30T00:25:27.365+10:00Looking through the katherine009 posts does seem t...Looking through the katherine009 posts does seem to reinforce the sockpuppet impression. There was also "asybot" whose rather ill thought out comment informed us that he was pleased his parents were dead as that was (apparently) preferable to them listening to Pope Francis. Who would have thought that sockpuppets could be so cold hearted.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66266518542200012882015-09-29T10:33:36.914+10:002015-09-29T10:33:36.914+10:00You cannot differentiate between raw and adjusted,...You cannot differentiate between raw and adjusted, but you can already see that the temperature trend in USHCN over the last century is not just due to urbanization. A difference of 0.1°C would be visible because both networks measure the same region.<br /><br />You are right that the last part of the series is least reliable because it is hard to detect inhomogeneities near the end. You detect them by comparing the mean temperature before and after a potential break. You need years of data to get a reliable mean and thus too see breaks. The NOAA Pairwise Homogenization Algorithm even has an explicit limit and will not set any breaks in the last 18 months.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45712715770820788652015-09-29T07:42:26.819+10:002015-09-29T07:42:26.819+10:00To be fair, you can't actually use USCRN to di...To be fair, you can't actually use USCRN to differentiate raw and adjusted USHCN data quite yet; the overlap is short enough and the nature of the pairwise homogenization algorithm tends to limit the amount of adjustments detected in the recent past (since it prefers having a length of time preceding the following the breakpoint to determine the correction needed).Zekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09757819498566612533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53711774646838408312015-09-29T07:39:52.306+10:002015-09-29T07:39:52.306+10:00The move from city rooftops to wastewater treatmen...The move from city rooftops to wastewater treatment plants and airports is a particularly interesting one. It causes some weirdly low century-scale urban warming trends if you mistakenly look at the raw data. <br /><br />By the way, thanks for all your hard work on temperature data over the years Tom. Hope you are enjoying a well-deserved relaxing retirement :-)Zekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09757819498566612533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44869581630182497202015-09-29T04:29:44.541+10:002015-09-29T04:29:44.541+10:00What a sneaky thing to do :)
Anthony's next b...What a sneaky thing to do :)<br /><br />Anthony's next but one paper will probably be how the Climate Reference Network data has been manipulated to make it seem like it's getting hotter.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57084016093890473792015-09-29T04:18:50.128+10:002015-09-29T04:18:50.128+10:00Ah sorry, I am not a skilled Googler, and being ca...Ah sorry, I am not a skilled Googler, and being careful about anything is not a habit I have picked up :)Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88791407940717781732015-09-29T01:06:03.730+10:002015-09-29T01:06:03.730+10:00@ Millicent, you have to be careful. I first looke...@ Millicent, you have to be careful. I first looked in vain for katherine009 on some of the early search results from "katherine009", then checked Google's cached page from the search and found the name in the Recent Posts sidebar, referencing much newer comments dating from when Google last captured the page. My revised search used the string "katherine009 says:" which excluded those false hits.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91127165140777720212015-09-29T00:47:42.432+10:002015-09-29T00:47:42.432+10:00Using that Google search, Katherine009 goes back y...Using that Google search, Katherine009 goes back years before June. Its hard to reliably identify a denier sockpuppet because these people do not behave as 'normal' people do, so I could well be wrong.<br /><br />And if I might answer Joshua's question: McIntyre was caught using "Nigel Persaud" to wax lyrical about his own work. Googling on that name plus McIntyre should lead you to the whole sorry story.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77238278107343373392015-09-29T00:39:41.395+10:002015-09-29T00:39:41.395+10:00Sou -
When did Stevie-Mac use a sockpuppet?Sou -<br /><br />When did Stevie-Mac use a sockpuppet?Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08058404311263880189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48090249950130592382015-09-29T00:06:38.272+10:002015-09-29T00:06:38.272+10:00I wonder who he is. dbstealey? Bob Tisdale? Poptec...I wonder who he is. dbstealey? Bob Tisdale? Poptech? Steve McIntyre? They've all used sockpuppets :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33594798131647765112015-09-29T00:04:20.425+10:002015-09-29T00:04:20.425+10:00Definitely sockpuppetry here. katherine009 first a...Definitely sockpuppetry here. katherine009 first appears fully-fledged on June 6 and dives right into many of the usual themes.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=katherine009+site%3Awattsupwiththat.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=%22katherine009+says:%22+site:wattsupwiththat.com&start=0" rel="nofollow">Google katherine009 says: and site:wattsupwiththat.com</a>Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87389786579739712132015-09-28T23:57:11.745+10:002015-09-28T23:57:11.745+10:00Way back when, Eli pointed out to Willard Tony tha...Way back when, Eli pointed out to Willard Tony that the USCRN was Tom Karl's trick to validate the USHCN and the homogeneity adjustments. Agreement going forward would show that the older data from the USHCN was properly treated.<br /><br />Without time machines this is about the best that could be done. An excellent example of perceptive experimental designEliRabetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957002964638398767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63491739637396117212015-09-28T23:24:14.859+10:002015-09-28T23:24:14.859+10:00It reads to me like a typical denier sockpuppet po...It reads to me like a typical denier sockpuppet post. Utterly fake and intended to try and impart some credibility to WUWT in the eyes of any naive visitor to the site.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69142852131256236422015-09-28T23:07:23.160+10:002015-09-28T23:07:23.160+10:00It's posts like this on WUWT that I find parti...It's posts like this on WUWT that I find particularly sad:<br /><br />"katherine009 <br /> September 27, 2015 at 12:56 pm <br /><br />Some days, I am so disheartened. I am seriously worried for the future my kids (and hopefully grandkids) will have. Energy poverty, destroyed economies, all to satisfy what? It’s madness. I’m doing my best to enlighten others, but my command of all the facts is limited. I read here daily, educating myself and hopefully others. Thank you Mister Watts."<br /><br />The poor dear seriously thinks she is "educating herself and hopefully others" by swallowing and regurgitating the pseudoscience nonsense on WUWT.Ceisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12831378692022001009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86096979629160806852015-09-28T19:12:53.671+10:002015-09-28T19:12:53.671+10:00Thanks for the anecdote, Tom. The reality of all t...Thanks for the anecdote, Tom. The reality of all the solid work you and others have put in over the years should shame Anthony Watts and his deniers. (If they were capable of the emotion.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12906095952647050122015-09-28T18:53:51.949+10:002015-09-28T18:53:51.949+10:00Thanks for bringing some sanity to this issue, Sou...Thanks for bringing some sanity to this issue, Sou. Your post brought back a lot of fond memories from my time at NCDC building GHCN-M version 2, including searching out European archives of Colonial Era data from around the world with the late, great, Prof. John Griffiths, and digitizing them to increase our global coverage in the early years of the data record. E.g., http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ghcn/colonialarchive.html and http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/col.gif<br />But the most relevant memory was when a State Climatologist visited for a couple weeks and argued that we were biasing his state's climate record because our USHCN station adjustments created more warming than cooling while he assumed that they should be random. This was back in the day when station history files were only available in filing cabinets in our basement. So we agreed to evaluate the 10 largest adjustments for stations in his state. It turned out that 8 of the 10 were for station moves from city centers to sewage treatment plants. That's when he realized that systematic adjustments were in response to systematic changes in the observing system.Tom Petersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83428927594806096142015-09-28T16:41:56.047+10:002015-09-28T16:41:56.047+10:00Yes, Millicent. WUWT-ers are nothing if not docile...Yes, Millicent. WUWT-ers are nothing if not docile and compliant.<br /><br />It's now more than three years since his breathless announcement that was going to change the face of climate science forever, or something. Either he can't get the data to <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/03/on-plain-denial-watts-dismisses-his-own.html" rel="nofollow">refute his previous paper after all</a>, or he can't <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/04/heat-sinking-temperatures-rising-in-us.html?showComment=1398444402240#c8545483624300523880" rel="nofollow">explain any mechanism</a>, or he can't get <a href="http://atmo.tamu.edu/people/faculty/nielsen-gammonjohn%20.html" rel="nofollow">anyone to rescue the paper</a> for him this time around, or he can't get his <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/07/irony-alert-open-atmospheric-society.html" rel="nofollow">secretive open society</a> organised well enough to publish it (or any other journal).Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74754544954411471622015-09-28T16:14:07.954+10:002015-09-28T16:14:07.954+10:00So Anthony avoids mention of his own 'gamechan...So Anthony avoids mention of his own 'gamechanging' reanalysis of temperature data and the winged monkeys dutifully neglect to ask why.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67532913915775366122015-09-28T16:02:47.092+10:002015-09-28T16:02:47.092+10:00Whether by design or not, some are pushing the ...Whether by design or not, some are pushing the 'idea' that thermometer measurements are being adjusted. It is bollocks of course, the unadjusted data sets are (mostly) free from homogenization. I have seen a similar idea being pushed on the JoNova website was well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54184813694234517962015-09-28T15:53:12.941+10:002015-09-28T15:53:12.941+10:00I have been putting in my two bobs worth on these ...I have been putting in my two bobs worth on these articles (in between getting sniped at from the usual suspects). Some of the comments have been excellent.<br /><br />It is still a red-herring of course. The implication is the adjustments in an adjusted data set are somehow an attempt to mislead the United States public.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.com