tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2595581989816900332..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Denier Deception #67: Disgusting Jim Steele misrepresents Dr. Kevin TrenberthSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66335476289375581172016-02-23T06:43:30.176+11:002016-02-23T06:43:30.176+11:00I went round and round with Steele a while back on...I went round and round with Steele a while back on a LinkedIn climate forum. Complete waste of time. What a worthless....etcTokodavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84511423183006060462016-02-22T21:30:53.416+11:002016-02-22T21:30:53.416+11:00Framing it as global warming enhancing a naturally...Framing it as global warming enhancing a naturally-occurring event, rather than causing it.<br /><br />There was a report that I cannot remember the name of. It compared earthquake losses which are not influenced by global warming to extreme weather event losses, thus controlling for population growth to a certain extent. Weather event losses are diverging from earthquake losses.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90347318757765855842016-02-22T21:26:00.218+11:002016-02-22T21:26:00.218+11:00DanM.
Not all that surprising if Steele is follow...DanM.<br /><br />Not all that surprising if Steele is following a script.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5618919509785642802016-02-22T09:41:43.348+11:002016-02-22T09:41:43.348+11:00Thanks, Dan, and welcome to HW. I'll check the...Thanks, Dan, and welcome to HW. I'll check the forum out. <br /><br />(Sorry for the delay. Google put your comment in the wrong spot.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14204137371905644432016-02-22T08:19:30.373+11:002016-02-22T08:19:30.373+11:00I've been alerted to
another new paper that&#...I've been alerted to <br /><a href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40641-016-0033-y/fulltext.html" rel="nofollow">another new paper</a> that's tangentially related, which I may write about after I've had time to digest it more fully. It's by Theodore G. Shepherd of U Reading and it's about alternative ways of considering extreme events. The abstract:<br /><br />The extent to which a given extreme weather or climate event is attributable to anthropogenic climate change is a question of considerable public interest. From a scientific perspective, the question can be framed in various ways, and the answer depends very much on the framing. One such framing is a risk-based approach, which answers the question probabilistically, in terms of a change in likelihood of a class of event similar to the one in question, and natural variability is treated as noise. A rather different framing is a storyline approach, which examines the role of the various factors contributing to the event as it unfolded, including the anomalous aspects of natural variability, and answers the question deterministically. It is argued that these two apparently irreconcilable approaches can be viewed within a common framework, where the most useful level of conditioning will depend on the question being asked and the uncertainties involved.<br /><br />I've added it to the reference list above.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48344425385602239252016-02-22T03:48:27.285+11:002016-02-22T03:48:27.285+11:00Jim Steele has probably got the cooler name, but I...Jim Steele has probably got the cooler name, but I suspect it is all down hill after that!!!Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35185775463982825342016-02-22T01:53:46.892+11:002016-02-22T01:53:46.892+11:00Hello Sou,
My first post here despite being a fre...Hello Sou, <br />My first post here despite being a frequent passer by over the last few years. I'm not a research scientist - I work as an environmental consultant on a variety of habitat protection projects. I've had an on and off 'dialogue', for want of a better word, with Jim for some time on Linkedin on the not so aptly named Environmental Consulting Professionals forum. For some obscure reason it's a magnet to the climate denier crowd. <br />Anyways, imagine my surprise today at running into your article on the same character, where he uses the same Gish gallop word salad and cherry picked falsehoods to fabricate an argument as he does on 'my' forum. And the not so surprise at the multiple references to this serial poster who haunts the not very skeptical blog universe, like WUWT. <br /> <br />Briefly, on Linkedin, Jim takes the Zwally15 article of East Antarctic ice mass gains as a leverage to undermine the "CO2 warming meme" (Jim's words from his blog he's touting) and makes good with the usual falsehoods like, “hide the decline” mentality evidenced by advocacy scientists in the climategate scandal." Those familiar with Jim will understand his complete lack of irony in trotting out phrases like that. Facepalm moments galore. Yes of course i reference the appropriate rebuttals to his nonsense but it's like pissing into the wind. I do it for those who scroll by on their coffee break. <br /><br />For those mildly curious, the Linkedin forum (Sou feel free to delete if you feel it might break the posting rules, no worries). And thanks for your excellent articles - always entertaining and informative. https://www.linkedin.com/groups/131340/131340-6078645052266000385?trk=hb_ntf_LIKED_GROUP_DISCUSSION_COMMENT_YOU_CREATED#commentID_6106423860217868288<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Dan<br />DanMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90377503152574457802016-02-22T01:41:57.163+11:002016-02-22T01:41:57.163+11:00Jim Steele vs Kevin Trenberth?
Ha. Some mismatche...Jim Steele vs Kevin Trenberth?<br /><br />Ha. Some mismatches are more one-sided than others.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16167141224392137512016-02-21T20:05:12.581+11:002016-02-21T20:05:12.581+11:00Other things that old fashioned scientists do that...Other things that old fashioned scientists do that Steele doesn't: accept defeat when shown to be wrong (remember that time he popped up here to defend himself when he made something up aboutnTexas http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/04/living-dangerously-jim-steele-denies.html ). He didn't come away from that one smelling of roses. He couldn't accept that the main plank of evidence he used said the opposite of what he said it did, even when the actual paper was quoted at him.<br /><br />He's one of the worst kind of deniers - petty, bears grudges and stoops to sleight of hand. He deserves to be called out every time.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34181378710987705642016-02-21T16:38:31.784+11:002016-02-21T16:38:31.784+11:00I was quoting Steele's absurd self-serving sel...I was quoting Steele's absurd self-serving self-characterisation back at him. He's a fraud like Monckton, posing as a scientist in front of a suitably credulous audience.<br /><br />I share your disgust. Steele had to exclude so much of Trenberth's informative detail and context to come up with his framing, it's painful. It's a terrible exhibition of bad faith communication...completely normal for WUWT.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33325557426660185472016-02-21T16:28:13.750+11:002016-02-21T16:28:13.750+11:00Given that Distinguished Senior Scientist Kevin Tr...Given that Distinguished Senior Scientist Kevin Trenberth has pushed past 70, I think he could probably be regarded as an old-fashioned scientist (using modern scientific methods). <br /><br />And no, his work is nothing like that of disinforming conspiracy theorists like Jim Steele, who seem to think that climate science is a hoax. It is based on years of hard slog, solid evidence, careful analysis, original thought, and inspired thinking.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58670744485949973012016-02-21T16:16:55.466+11:002016-02-21T16:16:55.466+11:00Were 'old-fashioned scientists' always clu...Were 'old-fashioned scientists' always clumsy amateur pamphleteers like Steele? I don't remember it that way.<br /><br />Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.com