tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2492535939699360842..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: A divide is emerging among the contrarians - utter nutters vs tarnished lukewarmersSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2865952791805313382013-08-30T19:02:50.217+10:002013-08-30T19:02:50.217+10:00I never did a count, but it's fair to say that...I never did a count, but it's fair to say that a decent proportion of scientists I used to work with would have voted conservative in the past. With the anti-science culture of conservative politics today, that could well have changed. <br /><br />Scientists are not all social or economic liberals, in some areas probably not even most of them are.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3917498211193133672013-08-30T18:47:02.709+10:002013-08-30T18:47:02.709+10:00The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (o...The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (once called "Medical Matters", I think) is also the only journal that would publish the Robinson, Soon and Bailiunas article that accompanied the notorious Oregon Petition.<br /><br />Another sign of the growing nuttery of the Republican Party is that Art Robinson, he of petition ill-fame, recently became Chair of the GOP in Oregon. Robinson also holds far-fringe opinions on nuclear waste and AIDS.<br /><br />TobyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-60221622479400841592013-08-30T09:16:22.303+10:002013-08-30T09:16:22.303+10:00Maybe it is just my scientific training, that make...Maybe it is just my scientific training, that makes me think these comments are signs of lunacy.<br /><br />Thinkprogress has an article: <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/29/2549871/scientists-gop-science/" rel="nofollow">As Scientists Leave GOP, Utah State Climatologist Warns, ‘Ignoring Science Comes With Risk’</a><br /><br />From the article: "The article notes that a 2009 Pew poll “found that just 6 percent of scientists call themselves part of the GOP now.” Yet just a few decades ago, “Scientists used to be well represented among the nearly half of Americans who voted Republican.”"Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14390345991028542182013-08-30T07:33:34.720+10:002013-08-30T07:33:34.720+10:00The comments at WUWT are lovely. Sou, I think you ...The comments at WUWT are lovely. Sou, I think you and Wotts can take a break and enjoy a well deserved relaxing holiday. With such comments, no debunking of WUWT is necessary any more.<br /><br />On the other hand, I wonder whether your description of the latest philosophies at WUWT is similar to the news reporters describing why the stock market went up or down. A story about white noise. Next week AW may try to play the respectable honest broker again.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72817634895732385042013-08-30T06:47:54.171+10:002013-08-30T06:47:54.171+10:00I wouldn't call it a "journal". It&...I wouldn't call it a "journal". It's a magazine for doctors and nurses who protest gun control and vaccinations.<br /><br />And I wonder what came first. The Lindzen link or the Watts link. <br /><br />Anthony gave a talk to the doctors and nurses. Maybe they asked Lindzen to speak and Lindzen couldn't (or wouldn't for such a low remuneration) and referred them onto Anthony. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like that. That would explain the exchange of silly charts. It would also speak volumes of just how low Richard Lindzen has sunk - to fall from the heights of MIT right down to the same level as an ex-television weather announcer turned anti-science blogger.<br /><br />All that is pure speculation though.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12406592186652240972013-08-30T06:39:01.156+10:002013-08-30T06:39:01.156+10:00Bearing in mind the quality of the journal he chos...Bearing in mind the quality of the journal he chose to publish in, Lindzen isn't aiming this at the general scientific community because he must know that JPANDS is held in such contempt. Perhaps it was the last resort. Probably not.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25371533319238925852013-08-30T06:35:35.964+10:002013-08-30T06:35:35.964+10:00Catmando, yes I've just noticed the spot the d...Catmando, yes I've just noticed the spot the difference puzzle. I really thought that Anthony had made that up, as it was such a ridiculous thing to suggest. The figures in Lindzen's article do seem identical to those presented a few days ago on WUWT, so presumably Anthony must have got them from Lindzen's paper. A bit depressing that Lindzen could think it a suitable puzzle and that it illustrates anything at all.Wotts Up With That Bloghttp://wottsupwiththatblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-16014178737364237312013-08-30T06:17:42.547+10:002013-08-30T06:17:42.547+10:00@ Sou
Another "me too" comment I'm ...@ Sou<br /><br />Another "me too" comment I'm afraid, but yes. Linzen WTF? He <i>must</i> know what he is doing. He has the chops. So perhaps he is so profoundly wedded to his prior commitments that he is coming apart at the seams. <br /><br />Your hypothesis that they are all getting madder as reality bites has been developed very plausibly on this blog. <br /><br />:-)BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48710191275572484982013-08-30T06:07:10.881+10:002013-08-30T06:07:10.881+10:00Yes, you did notice Lindzen has the spot the diffe...Yes, you did notice Lindzen has the spot the difference puzzle. Sorry. I wonder if Anthony had sight of this paper before publication.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30568350740505233962013-08-30T06:06:18.397+10:002013-08-30T06:06:18.397+10:00Yes I noticed that, Catmando and wrote about it at...Yes I noticed that, Catmando and wrote about it at the time. I'm finding it hard to credit that Lindzen has sunk so low. He was heading that way but I find seeing him disintegrate like this rather sad. <br /><br />I don't know why I react that way with Lindzen, when all I have for Ian Plimer is contempt. Maybe it's because I don't see Lindzen getting much out of it except scorn (mixed with pity), while Plimer continues to rake in the cash.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9690587991330543072013-08-30T05:58:23.652+10:002013-08-30T05:58:23.652+10:00I'm glad you dissect Lindzen's rubbish, So...I'm glad you dissect Lindzen's rubbish, Sou, because it made me rather angry that I wanted to throw something at the laptop. Once again there's the AGW is religion claptrap, comparisons with Lysenkoism (as if governments around the world were throwing climate deniers in prison like this: "From 1934 to 1940, under Lysenko's admonitions and with Stalin's approval, many geneticists were executed (including Isaak Agol, Solomon Levit, Grigorii Levitskii, Georgii Karpechenko and Georgii Nadson) or sent to labor camps. The famous Soviet geneticist Nikolai Vavilov was arrested in 1940 and died in prison in 1943." (from Wiki)<br /><br />Did you notice that the spot the difference game that Anthony played in a post the other day is in Lindzen's "paper" and that some of the WUWT comments call themselves realists?Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.com