tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post2297278892033852386..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Beyond loopy: Latest Judith Curry-ism: the Earth could be flat after allSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57697407660828208572016-05-02T20:57:21.471+10:002016-05-02T20:57:21.471+10:00Marco, I read the link with a wide open mouth. Th...Marco, I read the link with a wide open mouth. The level of assumed expertise is high, the level of actual ignorance is higher. The world of denial is large but they share Dunning Kruger as a common infliction.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14036368576043449852016-05-02T18:21:14.039+10:002016-05-02T18:21:14.039+10:00Um, we probably shouldn't mock the genuinely a...Um, we probably shouldn't mock the genuinely afflicted. But that is truly a mind-boggling screed! Head-vices on...billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23759958284222597902016-05-02T16:30:12.082+10:002016-05-02T16:30:12.082+10:00Sou, you'll love this then:
(note to all befo...Sou, you'll love this then:<br /><br />(note to all before clicking: this is at your own peril - it may be more bonkers than the worst WUWT blogpost you can imagine!)<br /><br />http://institute.iqmind.org/on-hiv-and-aids-by-louise-orrock/<br />http://institute.iqmind.org/on-hiv-and-aids-by-louise-orrock/<br />from the originator of that petition.<br /><br />I'd love to call it a Poe, but the crazy is so thick, I think she really believes what she writes!Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36947318391019521142016-05-02T14:43:00.261+10:002016-05-02T14:43:00.261+10:00Ha ha. A bit tangential, but I just discovered tha...Ha ha. A bit tangential, but I just discovered that <a href="https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/726786177093783552" rel="nofollow">microscopes are part of the science hoax</a> :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26403023320641900592016-05-02T14:14:56.019+10:002016-05-02T14:14:56.019+10:00I just discovered -- DenialDepot had exactly this ...I just discovered -- DenialDepot had exactly this theory back in 2011. <br /><br />http://denialdepot.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/consensus-of-conspiracy-theorists.html<br /><br />"What I always say is that the less experts accept an idea, the more likely it is to be true."<br /><br />You can't make this stuff up.<br /><br />Some of us thought DenialDepot was a parody of deniers. Turns out, it's written by Judith Curry, and it's meant to be taken seriously.<br /><br />Poe's Law in action. D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24695103816824018802016-04-23T06:50:06.869+10:002016-04-23T06:50:06.869+10:00The Moon is made of cheese, as proven by the great...The Moon is made of cheese, as proven by the great explores Wallace and Gromit in their video record.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14834234267960465352016-04-21T03:59:00.691+10:002016-04-21T03:59:00.691+10:00Only relatively flat. It's got bumps and stuff...Only relatively flat. It's got bumps and stuff.<br /><br />Plus, if one includes the Kuyper Belt or the Oort Cloud, the solar system isn't close to flat.<br /><br />Anyway, space is curved, as Einstein showed, so none of it is flat.<br /><br />This just goes to prove that all science is unreliable, and will be replaced by something better, so we shouldn't do anything about anything until we know everything about everything. Nothing can be relied upon to work because we don't have perfect knowledge. Turn off the internet and back away slowly.<br />D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72866209253103937092016-04-21T02:39:39.413+10:002016-04-21T02:39:39.413+10:00interestingly the earth isn't flat, but our So...interestingly the earth isn't flat, but our Solar system is - and even some galaxies<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNXKqeUtJM<br /><br />Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75102486399743779532016-04-20T23:01:03.206+10:002016-04-20T23:01:03.206+10:00Of course the earth is flat. The great astronomer ...Of course the earth is flat. The great astronomer Terry Pratchett has proven it. (See elephant for details.)jrkrideauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869979887929067657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51442780367884416512016-04-20T18:14:43.231+10:002016-04-20T18:14:43.231+10:00You know, I'm surprised that no one's scri...You know, I'm surprised that no one's scripted a Turing test to mimic Curry's pronouncements on climate physics.<br /><br />I'm sure that it wouldn't take too much space - just a few hundred lines that respond to any piece of actual science by reflecting with statements that are the opposite of such fact, that incorporate liberal use of double negatives and other prevaricative statements to avoid being cornered by specifics, that use personal opinion prefaces made out to be objective statements of fact, and that employ choices of logical fallacy to knit it all together. Throw in the occasional declaration of impartiality, victimhood, conspiracy, appeals to the lizard brain... <i>et voila</i>! I'm sure I've missed a couple of signature parameters to her schtick, but there wouldn't be too many others.<br /><br />Heck, with one of these things one wouldn't even need Curry to write new posts for her blog - the Turing generator could do it all by itself.<br /><br />Hmmm, perhaps it's <i>already</i> happening on Climate Etc...Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30493803775858665502016-04-20T18:10:22.880+10:002016-04-20T18:10:22.880+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-755019934295424872016-04-20T17:29:27.458+10:002016-04-20T17:29:27.458+10:00Got the same idea as bill. This whole story may be...Got the same idea as bill. This whole story may be an hidden hommage from Judith Curry after all. bratislanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38384461844067485132016-04-20T17:07:50.251+10:002016-04-20T17:07:50.251+10:00I can recognise a flimsy piece of logic that resid...I can recognise a flimsy piece of logic that resides within what Curry has written. But none of it makes any sense when the 'contrarian' position exists only because of established interests funding it.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33318161040220854942016-04-20T08:57:15.058+10:002016-04-20T08:57:15.058+10:00If so it's called GOP Dementia. It might even ...If so it's called GOP Dementia. It might even take you into office!billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17909003249425452472016-04-20T08:31:41.241+10:002016-04-20T08:31:41.241+10:00Well, there has always been "truths" tha...Well, there has always been "truths" that were then shown to be mistaken by science. Sun revolves around earth, species are immutable, continents do not move, climate is constant etc etc. <br /><br />Science did find out that the (uninformed) concensus on stable climate (with the occasional God induced flooding though!) was wrong when the evidence for glacials and inter-glacials became the concensus. <br /><br />The story is the same with human induced effects on climate. First, everyone thought it not possible. Then the facts convinced them otherwise (few cranks left still).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40276708817426912992016-04-20T06:51:52.032+10:002016-04-20T06:51:52.032+10:00Great, now we have a whole set of paradoxes courte...Great, now we have a whole set of paradoxes courtesy of the denialist clown show.<br /><br />It started (courtesy of David Appel) with:<br /><br /><b>The Lindzen Paradox</b>: <i>"Oh yeah,"</i> said Lindzen. <i>"I don't think there's any question that the brightest minds went into physics, math, chemistry…"</i><br /><br /><b>The Curry Paradox</b>: The less you know about a subject, the more knowledgeable you are (google Curry & Bose-Einstein)<br /><br /><b>The Spencer/Christy Paradox</b>: Just because one gets continually funded by the government doesn't mean you are scientifically competent.<br /><br /><b>The Salby Paradox</b>: Just because you can give lectures that show your blood vessels about to explode, doesn't make your research findings any more valid.<br /><br /><b>The Gray Paradox</b>: Its OK if I use computers, but other people that use computers are hoaxsters.<br /><br /><b>The Soon Paradox</b>: What? Me? You've got to be kidding.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />@whuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297101284358849575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38653782375549932292016-04-20T06:21:14.902+10:002016-04-20T06:21:14.902+10:00According to google trends interest in flat earth ...According to google trends interest in flat earth has risen recently<br /><br />https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F032dv<br /><br />And anecdotally a forum I contribute to (unrelated to science, climate, conspiracies etc) recently had a thread regarding "flat earth" and the possibility we were being hoaxed into believing it was a globe <br /><br />And it was a genuine post tooTadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76096683670180224212016-04-20T05:41:39.536+10:002016-04-20T05:41:39.536+10:00Little-known fact: in the middle ages, the Earth o...Little-known fact: in the middle ages, the Earth orbited about the Sun. But then the Copernican revolution and Galileo came to be widely accepted, and lo and behold, the Sun began instead to be the one orbiting the Earth.<br /><br />Don't take my word for it though: if enough of you were to believe it, it would flip back, and (another little-known fact) the switchover was the cause for the established population of North America to crash in the 16th and 17th centuries -- as a North American I don't want that to happen again!numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11608030619811417602016-04-20T00:53:01.349+10:002016-04-20T00:53:01.349+10:00I really wonder if she's starting to suffer fr...I really wonder if she's starting to suffer from some kind of dementia.palindromnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65159646433081324592016-04-19T23:55:39.407+10:002016-04-19T23:55:39.407+10:00Toxic sludge is good for Curry.Toxic sludge is good for Curry.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71904942615833973352016-04-19T23:42:46.158+10:002016-04-19T23:42:46.158+10:00We should apply this principle to Curry herself, a...<i>We should apply this principle to Curry herself, and argue instead that she is insisting she doesn't know anything. We should perhaps take her at her word.</i><br /><br />Heh heh. Good one, D.C.metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31797054763959128022016-04-19T23:32:00.118+10:002016-04-19T23:32:00.118+10:00There is also a bit of this going on: "If we ...There is also a bit of this going on: "If we don't know everything, that means we know nothing." <br /><br />Curry (and, to be fair, most commentators on all sides of this issue) tend to speak of "climate change" (or "global warming" or "AGW" or whatever term we wish to use) as a unified whole. As Mike H pointed out in the comments above, there are aspects which are well-known and thoroughly proven, and there are details which are still being worked out.<br /><br />For example: CO2 is a greenhouse gas which impedes the release into space of heat in the form of infrared radiation. This is having the effect of causing the Earth's climate to warm at a rate unprecedented in human history. None of this can be rationally questioned. However, details of how quickly those effects will manifest, and the precise ratio of atmospheric CO2 to temperature rise, such details are not precisely known.<br /><br />Curryite deniers take the uncertainty about such details and spin it into uncertainty about AGW as a whole. If we don't know those details--many of which critically matter--how can we argue that we know anything about this topic at all? That is the argument they are making.<br /><br />The latest form of this argument is to claim those unknown details reveal a complexity which gives the topic as a whole a bad "knowability" rating. Any claims to be certain about something with low "knowability" must be untrustworthy claims. Therefore, Curry says, if there is high agreement among scientists about a topic with high complexity and at least some critical unknowns, we should question that consensus.<br /><br />The problem with this argument is, as I said, some aspects of the subject =are= reliably known. The basic principles are beyond question, but it is precisely those principles that Curry must question for her position to be rational. She can appear to be rationally questioning them only by taking the entire topic as a whole, and claiming that an unknown in one area must be seen as implying unknowns in other areas--if we don't know everything, that means we don't know anything.<br /><br />We should apply this principle to Curry herself, and argue instead that she is insisting she doesn't know anything. We should perhaps take her at her word.D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27759721437197481932016-04-19T21:28:09.778+10:002016-04-19T21:28:09.778+10:00As a side note, I don't think of Newton's ...As a side note, I don't think of Newton's laws as false, so much as having a range of applicability. They are perfectly good in non-relativistic situations. That's not a particularly clean example of falsifiability.<br /><br />I've been teaching this stuff for many years, by the way.palindromnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7618433172019735282016-04-19T16:14:42.144+10:002016-04-19T16:14:42.144+10:00'Millions to one chances crop up nine times ou...'Millions to one chances crop up nine times out of ten!'<br /><br />Terry Pratchett, whose concept of 'Narrativium' I have found to be a very useful guide in distinguishing between reason and how people actually think...billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8856873789710064592016-04-19T12:53:25.380+10:002016-04-19T12:53:25.380+10:00Reading the linked article reveals that the author...Reading the linked article reveals that the authors genuinely think that global warming is unobserved:<br /><br />“In our view, the fact that so many scientists agree so closely about the earth’s warming is, itself, evidence of a lack of evidence for global warming”<br /><br />This strongly suggests they have no idea about the material evidence, so have entered the discussion at a great disadvantage.<br /><br />Appealing to their own ignorance, they blithely waffle....of no consequence to reality, which is why it attracts Curry, three years after it was published.<br /><br />Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.com