tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1895450740003396418..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Bob Tisdale asks the wrong people the wrong question @wattsupwiththatSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74346739943317537002014-01-05T23:12:33.740+11:002014-01-05T23:12:33.740+11:00Polished and exciting prose like Bob's require...Polished and exciting prose like Bob's requires a lot of refinement. So many drafts, so little time ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79544330511618981782014-01-05T18:41:10.189+11:002014-01-05T18:41:10.189+11:00Could it be a by-product of the centralisation of ...Could it be a by-product of the centralisation of denialist funding? Or maybe it's just a random quirk. Or a symptom of the public less interested in what deniers have to say - given they've heard it all before ad nauseum.<br /><br />I don't know how to find out about sales. Maybe someone in the publication business will drop by.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48509536777255313242014-01-05T18:34:39.672+11:002014-01-05T18:34:39.672+11:00To be clear, what I'm wondering about is wheth...To be clear, what I'm wondering about is whether something changed, and if so who did the changing and why. It may be illuminating to find out.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9526106227435560692014-01-05T17:40:33.385+11:002014-01-05T17:40:33.385+11:00"16 hours a day? For a lazy thinker he sure w..."<i>16 hours a day? For a lazy thinker he sure was a hard worker! LOL</i>"<br /><br />It genuinely takes a lot of effort to mangle science as Tisdale does and make it still sound 'sciencey'.<br /><br />And it must take even more effort to convince oneself that it isn't bunkum.<br /><br />Or his figures could just be wrong. It's been known to happpen before...<br /><br /><br />Bernard J.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75360170015269588802014-01-05T17:08:18.003+11:002014-01-05T17:08:18.003+11:00So he was disappointed that sales of his ebooks we...So he was disappointed that sales of his ebooks were poor? Did he really believe they'd be significant? Deluded in every way.<br /><br />16 hours a day? For a lazy thinker he sure was a hard worker! LOLNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29098648368020995212014-01-05T16:36:56.173+11:002014-01-05T16:36:56.173+11:00He's apparently coming out of retirement (perh...He's apparently coming out of retirement (perhaps at the local coffee shop?) and can no longer spend 16 hours a day (!!!) blogging. <br /><br />16 hours a day - and never learned about conservation of energy...<br /><br />KRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39014186915537472342014-01-05T15:48:49.442+11:002014-01-05T15:48:49.442+11:00Bob Tisdale is retiring? I wasn't aware he'...Bob Tisdale is retiring? I wasn't aware he'd even started to learn anything about AGW.<br /><br />Quitter!Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09537772941984056434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10497421310276269052014-01-05T09:32:35.895+11:002014-01-05T09:32:35.895+11:00BBD:
Thanks.
To be more precise in what I meant: ...BBD: <br />Thanks.<br />To be more precise in what I meant: unlike places like CATO or Heritage Institute, GMI never was very big, but had outsize influence given the leadership by 3 very well-connected scientists of stature ..l. something rare/unique in these entities.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75589818269678287122014-01-05T09:05:30.053+11:002014-01-05T09:05:30.053+11:00John Mashey
Well, actually that's not a lot d...John Mashey<br /><br /><i>Well, actually that's not a lot different than the role of the George Marshall Institute in its good years.</i><br /><br />Yes, I agree, and the US has more than its fair share of influential front organisations undermining democracy. I should have made this clear.<br /><br />I too wish Bob Ward's commendable challenge to the GWPF's abuse of charitable status every success. <br /><br />I've read your illuminating piece on the GWPF's integration into a social network of organised denial before and remain properly grateful for the insight it provides. As ever, many thanks for your considerable efforts in unearthing the facts so carefully concealed from the electorates of several democracies. <br /><br />BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25243067693052609142014-01-05T08:57:17.370+11:002014-01-05T08:57:17.370+11:00re: GWPF
Well, actually that's not a lot diffe...re: GWPF<br />Well, actually that's not a lot different than the role of the George Marshall Institute in its good years.<br />I attended Lord Stern's Stephen Schneider award a a few weeks ago in San Francisco, and noted how the US had a lot of thinktanks who did climate anti-science, but I knew only of GWPF in UK focussed on it, and asked him if anyone paid any attention.<br />He said, yes, unfortunately.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see if Bob Ward's complaint on GWPF to the Charities Commission bears any fruit. For a good laugh, rummage around in <a href="http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/search-for-a-charity/?txt=global+warming+policy+foundation" rel="nofollow">Charities entry for GWPF</a>. (Database: no direct URLs.)<br /><br />I look forward to the 2013 financials.<br /><br />Note that GWPF is <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/foia-facts-5-finds-friends-gwpf" rel="nofollow">quite well-connected.</a>John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29607589687623991132014-01-05T02:36:27.457+11:002014-01-05T02:36:27.457+11:00What BBD said.
It's probably time now to star...What BBD said.<br /><br />It's probably time now to start telling the world what the planet will be like one, two, three, ten and one hundred generations hence. There's already a minimum amount of damage built into the future of our society and the biosphere and people should be made aware of what it means for their decendants.<br /><br />Our society is like the naughty children wouldn't stop eating sweets even after they were repeatedly told about the rot. It's now just a matter of how much more they'll eat and how many teeth they're prepared to have pulled.<br /><br /><br />Bernard J.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91500042643175686832014-01-05T02:12:01.088+11:002014-01-05T02:12:01.088+11:00Denialism is getting smarter. The GWPF is the shap...Denialism is getting smarter. The GWPF is the shape of things to come: shrewd, disproportionally effective for its size, expert at media manipulation (inserts lies into Daily Mail, Telegraph), connected at parliamentary level (Lawson lunches with Osbourne) etc. Dangerous, partly hidden and growing in influence. <br /><br />Just because the likes of Watts and Tisdale are past their use-by date does not mean that the undermining of democracy by vested interests is ending. IMO, it is intensifying with every year that passes, and <i>the people</i> are losing. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-37184622797771755962014-01-05T01:53:08.747+11:002014-01-05T01:53:08.747+11:00People like Tisdale are treated as serious (as opp...People like Tisdale are treated as serious (as opposed to beinbg taken seriously) by the Murdoch media and senior politicians, which must give them an inflated sense of their own relevance. The whole denier scene has a wildly exaggerated picture of its own size; when deniers venture out it's as smug drive-by's like Karen.<br /><br />Nothing can be made of these people. They're beyond hope.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32291218616829377742014-01-04T23:46:47.614+11:002014-01-04T23:46:47.614+11:00But isn't that the case with most of the denie...But isn't that the case with most of the deniers?<br /><br />They are practically all 'ultra fringe' yet despite that they <i>are</i> taken very serious by the fake skeptics. Thus, the important issue is not that they are scientific illiterates, but that <i>despite that</i> they are still taken serious by widely read denier blogs.<br /><br />The internet is literally inundated with armchair experts on wide variety of topics; chemtrails, UFO's, alien abductions, anti-vaxxers, the origins of pyramids, you name it. Such sites are a perfect platform for all kinds of science denying lunatics to publish their ideas and rants. And that is fine as long as they are confined to their limited corners of the internet.<br /><br />It becomes a problem when the 'research' of these 'experts' gets more attention than it deserves. Then it becomes a problem (and a serious hazard) to Science itself and should be addressed, IMO. A scientist announcing to have found (again) signs of bacteria in meteorites, a medical doctor claiming vaccines cause autism, there are unfortunately plenty of examples of when 'fringe experts' get more media attention than their research deserves.<br /><br />Whether we like it or not, WUWT is still the most read 'skeptic blog' and as long as it provides its audience (including the ones who read it regularly but never post a comment) with a wide range of <i>non-science nonsense</i>, we need to continue to criticize the scientific illiteracy of Watts and his guest authors, their cherry-picking, their armchair expertise, their denial, etc.<br /><br />If we don't do that, we run the risk that their 'science' becomes too mainstream just as the science of the anti-vaxxers did. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81812379548797184862014-01-04T23:24:47.061+11:002014-01-04T23:24:47.061+11:00It's all those books being burned that are cau...It's all those books being burned that are causing global warming!Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46907166224687184572014-01-04T23:10:51.030+11:002014-01-04T23:10:51.030+11:00Bob really is a sad case of D-K who missed school ...Bob really is a sad case of D-K who missed school the day the teacher taught conservation of energy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74574430762723877042014-01-04T22:59:37.632+11:002014-01-04T22:59:37.632+11:00"Maybe there are still one or two people who&..."Maybe there are still one or two people who'll buy them in bulk but they end up being burnt or sent to the recycle depot."<br /><br />Could this be a useful route for carbon capture and storage if sealed in some geological safe?Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3760487591351892112014-01-04T20:19:56.905+11:002014-01-04T20:19:56.905+11:00You're right of course. There are still some ...You're right of course. There are still some deniers who think Bob makes sense but with the proviso "if only we could understand what he was saying".<br /><br />I learnt some more about climate models while I was writing this, so it was worth the effort for me anyway :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58664722701776277282014-01-04T20:17:00.275+11:002014-01-04T20:17:00.275+11:00Remember the Heartland Institute got lumbered with...Remember the Heartland Institute got lumbered with thousands of copies of Steve "mad mad mad" Goreham's book last year (probably bought by someone with more money than sense) and decided to send them to scientists at universities. Maybe there are still one or two people who'll buy them in bulk but they end up being burnt or sent to the recycle depot. I can't think too many real people would bother.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74031720320817381692014-01-04T20:06:29.143+11:002014-01-04T20:06:29.143+11:00I wouldn't have put much stock in Tisdale'...I wouldn't have put much stock in Tisdale's own declining book sales, but then LaFramboise chimed in to the same effect. That's very interesting since, unlike Bob, she's a pro and likely very aware of trends on the wingnut end of the publishing world. IIRC there are various tools used to plump up sales of favored books, including bulk purchases by wealthy patrons, so is it possible that a decision has been reached to reduce the size of the climate denial market segment?Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44826625565220461182014-01-04T18:47:00.149+11:002014-01-04T18:47:00.149+11:00I have to be completely honest with you Sou, I sor...I have to be completely honest with you Sou, I sort of stopped reading after a little bit because I find the topic of Bob Tisdale......irrelevant. He is ultra fringe and anyone who takes him seriously is beyond rehabilitation. I scrolled down to make a comment when I got to the part about him not reading any papers since 2007 because I was reminded of something I was discussing with my partner just a few days ago to do with comediens. We discussed a lot of things. For example we discussed what makes a good comedien and what makes an ordinary comedien. We came to the conclusion that it comes down to material. I used to think Wendy Harmer was hilarious. I used to think Akmal was hilarious. I used to think Russel Gilbert was mildly funny. We came to the conclusion that when, after ten or twenty years, we were still hearing the same jokes about women's lib, being mistaken for a terrorist or a little boy wanting a Bertie Beetle, it was probably time for those comediens to hang up their microphones. Bob Tisdale has been flogging the same bullshit for years and despite every year that passes producing more and more evidence that directly contradicts his whacky position, he still persists. It's actually quite sad. I used to despise Bob Tisdale but these days I just feel sorry for him. He's an idiot who doesn't know he's an idiot and he mistakingly thinks people take him seriously. It's very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com