tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1803628151154438725..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Anthony Watts and his ozone hole deniers are out in force (again)Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72357482536520282692015-05-30T11:52:52.558+10:002015-05-30T11:52:52.558+10:00Aside from the word "Claim", he is parap...Aside from the word "Claim", he is paraphrasing a line from the abstract which reads, "...we demonstrate that much larger ozone depletion than observed has been avoided by the protocol...". I believe the reason for "Claim" is his issue with the results being retrieved via a model. Most people at WUWT don't like models.Camnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38730694069374839912015-05-30T01:25:20.102+10:002015-05-30T01:25:20.102+10:00Given how many pillars of AGW denial were also eng...Given how many pillars of AGW denial were also engaged in CFC denial they can hardly concede the point now without losing ... oh dear, I nearly said 'credibility' there :) Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46880688905958280222015-05-30T00:30:17.886+10:002015-05-30T00:30:17.886+10:00The Texans have momentarily halted their Successio...The Texans have momentarily halted their Succession planning and asked the Yankee Carpetbaggers to send moarrrr disaster relief funds.<br />How can Red States keep complaining with a straight face about big Federal Government spending when everyone of them get considerably more money back than they pay in and they always want to get the country into $trillion$ of war$?<br />Texans narrowly avoided economic free fall when the oil prices partially recovered. So much for the highly touted conservative business policies, it was the previously high oil price that caused the Boom.looʞ oɹezhttp://arkansaswildlifephotography.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-92177242754046144242015-05-29T11:17:51.348+10:002015-05-29T11:17:51.348+10:00Shitzree's comment has been moved to the the H...<i>Shitzree's comment has been moved to the <a href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/HotWhoppery15.php#shitzree290515" rel="nofollow">the HotWhoppery. </a></i><b>Sou</b>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24123573159380173332015-05-29T10:58:12.907+10:002015-05-29T10:58:12.907+10:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Schitzreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17311863873634513259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56650337660953155532015-05-28T23:47:53.147+10:002015-05-28T23:47:53.147+10:00A standard deviation of 1°C sounds like a local ti...A standard deviation of 1°C sounds like a local time series. The global average has much less variability. Would fit, showing local data and pretending it is global is one of their standard techniques.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75088750915389866802015-05-28T12:55:11.173+10:002015-05-28T12:55:11.173+10:00Thanks everyone.
Didn't realize Multi-Science ...Thanks everyone.<br />Didn't realize Multi-Science was E & E.<br />Greenland ice cores…sheesh<br />CCHolleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13573027554038287372015-05-28T11:38:01.160+10:002015-05-28T11:38:01.160+10:00And a big bingo there Sou. He did indeed use the ...And a big bingo there Sou. He did indeed use the Greenland cores...Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69231969568535064402015-05-28T11:14:55.524+10:002015-05-28T11:14:55.524+10:00Yes I saw that touted at WUWT, but wasn't prep...Yes I saw that touted at WUWT, but wasn't prepared to give any money to E&E or waste time reading it. Philip's not a climate scientist, he's a retired petrochemical engineer who's taken up climate science denial for a hobby I'd say. Philip did some maths on a bunch of ice cores from the look of things. Maybe he's another denier Don who thinks that the Greenland ice sheet with its massive variability is a proxy for the average surface temperature on Earth. Which is nuts.<br /><br />The fact he could only get it published in E&E (which favours denier nonsense) says about all you need to know.<br /><br />http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/11/resurrecting-inhofe-science-denier-at.htmlSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78514947855865665622015-05-28T09:52:26.668+10:002015-05-28T09:52:26.668+10:00The usual specious statistical boondoggle unconcer...The usual specious statistical boondoggle unconcerned with mundane matters such as cause and effect. Lots of sciencey words and phrases. In E & E and why not. There's a reasonable dissection of it at http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10673291#post10673291Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17145737979529843742015-05-28T09:27:09.004+10:002015-05-28T09:27:09.004+10:00I think the denier position is very wise.
They de...I think the denier position is very wise.<br /><br />They deny that there is an ozone hole, or that the ozone hole was caused by CFCs emitted by old fridges on the scrap heap.<br />By doing so, they make it way more say to deny that wise environmental policies based on sound science avoided a greater catastrophe.<br /><br />By the same non-reasoning, it is pointless to do anything about CO2, just as it was pointless to phase out CFCs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35924321205926355252015-05-28T09:25:38.384+10:002015-05-28T09:25:38.384+10:00I just skimmed it and what really stood out is tha...I just <a href="http://www.researchgate.net/publication/276276180_._An_estimate_of_the_centennial_variability_of_global_temperatures" rel="nofollow">skimmed it</a> and what really stood out is that all of his datasets have a temporal resolution of ~100 years. You can read all about Nyquist frequency and sampling theory elsewhere but to me it seems he's taken a dataset and heavily aliased it to achieve this result. A more important question is why didn't Lloyd examine Dendrochronological records instead?Chase Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04659478289426350280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85361840878860131032015-05-28T09:07:39.799+10:002015-05-28T09:07:39.799+10:00^ That was meant to be a reply to Millicent.^ That was meant to be a reply to Millicent.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78735725331365867112015-05-28T09:06:29.069+10:002015-05-28T09:06:29.069+10:00That's the core of it. They think evidence is ...That's the core of it. They think evidence is only evidence when it's evidence of stuff they approve of, or when it reinforces whatever daft worldview they have. Any evidence of something they disapprove of, or that contradicts their worldview, is not really evidence and can be discarded on a whim.<br /><br />For example, I've seen climate science deniers who also deny evolution. When asked why, they'll say that they looked at the evolutionary view but "didn't like it". In their minds, this is grounds for ignoring all evidence for evolution.<br /><br />I've also seen hard core southern US deniers who make a religion out of "freedom" but seriously think the Confederacy should have won the US Civil War. They see absolutely no contradiction between worshipping "freedom", and total support for a regime based on slavery (of other people).<br /><br />They're bonkers.Contrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9762762403565213402015-05-28T08:44:41.201+10:002015-05-28T08:44:41.201+10:00A bit off topic, but it looks like Phillip Lloyd h...A bit off topic, but it looks like Phillip Lloyd has surfaced again. Seems he just published a paper at Multi-Science: "An Estimate of the Centennial Variability of Global Temperatures". Claims that standard deviation of temperatures over the past 8000 years is 0.98+/-0.27 degrees C and because of this most of the warming we've seen is due to natural variations. The Deniosphere seems to be going bat crazy over this. Since it resides behind a pay-wall and I don't really want to pay for garbage, I was just curious if anyone had any information on it. CCHolleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61876630453430737582015-05-28T04:26:58.663+10:002015-05-28T04:26:58.663+10:00Climate change deniers dislike the ozone hole beca...Climate change deniers dislike the ozone hole because its history contradicts their 'planet that can take anything polluters throw at it' paradigm. As usual, when one of their paradigms comes into conflict with reality, its reality that gets discarded.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com