tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1634265414230750123..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: 2016 is the hottest year on record - three in a row nowSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54153659043472918382017-01-23T15:48:01.593+11:002017-01-23T15:48:01.593+11:00Sou is this to good to be true?
https://www.youtu...Sou is this to good to be true?<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxryv2XrnqM<br /><br />I could not spot any blatant lie.<br /><br />Bert<br /><br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6592013320889836532017-01-23T11:41:27.826+11:002017-01-23T11:41:27.826+11:00Refusing to follow any links again, I see, Bojangl...Refusing to <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/world-energy-hits-a-turning-point-solar-that-s-cheaper-than-wind" rel="nofollow">follow any links</a> again, I see, Bojangles. (You do make a habit of rejecting reality.)<br /><br />BTW, I'm not keeping anything out of Africa. I do wonder, however, at whether people of Africa would think of the word "elitist", with you telling them you know better than them and they don't know what they are doing:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.sciencealert.com/the-world-s-poorest-countries-aim-to-jump-straight-to-100-percent-green-energy" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencealert.com/the-world-s-poorest-countries-aim-to-jump-straight-to-100-percent-green-energy</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.solarplaza.com/channels/top-10s/11593/top-10-operational-solar-pv-plants-africa/" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarplaza.com/channels/top-10s/11593/top-10-operational-solar-pv-plants-africa/</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.africanews.com/2016/12/14/uganda-launches-east-africa-s-largest-solar-power-plant/" rel="nofollow">http://www.africanews.com/2016/12/14/uganda-launches-east-africa-s-largest-solar-power-plant/</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.pv-tech.org/news/east-africas-largest-solar-plant-now-in-operation" rel="nofollow">http://www.pv-tech.org/news/east-africas-largest-solar-plant-now-in-operation</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161129-the-colossal-african-solar-farm-that-could-power-europe" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161129-the-colossal-african-solar-farm-that-could-power-europe</a><br /><br />(Elitist is a word that seems to be favoured as a put-down by those who wish the world regarded them as elite.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53971486334175757622017-01-23T08:42:28.155+11:002017-01-23T08:42:28.155+11:00@Harry Twinotter
”The only time right wingers lik...@Harry Twinotter<br /><br /><i>”The only time right wingers like yourself are interested in impoverished people is as a source of cheap labor, or their raw materials if they have any. Or to convert to your religion.” </i><br /><br />What a load of blaming and shaming again, so recognizable for the “welldoers of the future earth”.<br />To give you some background: I am politically left orientated and an atheist, but I am not stupid.<br />And President Trump will not bring affordable energy to Africa today, but the policy of the new US Government will surely have a positive effect on affordable and reliable energy in the near future of Africa.<br /><br />@Sou<br />Standard electricity grids based on fossil fuels will be the cheapest and most reliable form of energy supply for many years to come. Period. It is an elitist and colonial position to try to keep that away from the ordinary African people.<br /><br /><i> “(Better get rid of your oil and coal shares while you can, Bojangles. You can thank HotWhopper for making you less poorly informed.)” </i><br /><br />The same blinders on as Twinotter. Shares I do not hold at all, maybe you do. <br />Furthermore, you are poorly informed again about current reality. Oil companies nowadays are the biggest friends of the current environmental movement. Together with you people (the useful idiots) they are pushing coal and nuclear out of the energy market, so they can sell their oil and gas for many years to come.<br />Bojanglesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81663230647130523962017-01-23T02:24:43.874+11:002017-01-23T02:24:43.874+11:00Africa's in a prime position to bypass old-sty...Africa's in a prime position to bypass old-style grid technology, designed for dirty fossil fuels, and leap-frog to next gen clean green energy. From <a href="http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21653618-falling-cost-renewable-energy-may-allow-africa-bypass" rel="nofollow">The Economist</a>:<br /><br /><i>...Renewable energy can also supply villages that are not connected to the main grid much more cheaply than extending power lines to remote areas, where connection costs run to several thousand dollars per customer.<br /><br />This dash for renewables could speed up even faster. Prices for solar panels have dropped by more than half in recent years and should keep falling. Given the right regulatory environment and access to finance, Africa should leap ahead as one of the world’s leading producers of clean energy—making the continent richer as well as greener.</i><br /><br />And now that <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-15/world-energy-hits-a-turning-point-solar-that-s-cheaper-than-wind" rel="nofollow">solar (and wind) are becoming cheaper</a> than dirty fuels, they are in an even better position.<br /><br />(Better get rid of your oil and coal shares while you can, Bojangles. You can thank HotWhopper for making you less poorly informed.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28481500893321430752017-01-23T02:14:56.765+11:002017-01-23T02:14:56.765+11:00"And then think again what this says. And the..."And then think again what this says. And then think again. Do you already grasp the perversity of this sentence?"<br /><br />Wow just wow. You think its their fault: they need to be better shoppers. Oh my.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22487176700912566332017-01-23T02:02:43.757+11:002017-01-23T02:02:43.757+11:00Bojangles.
Any better arguments than your simple ...Bojangles.<br /><br />Any better arguments than your simple false dichotomy stuff?<br /><br />The only time right wingers like yourself are interested in impoverished people is as a source of cheap labor, or their raw materials if they have any. Or to convert to your religion.<br /><br />I am sure President Trump is signing executive orders right now to bring affordable energy to impoverished parts of Africa. He is not interested in affordable healthcare for his own people, but he will look after the Africans in need.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872802685104293884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27307546783879882702017-01-23T01:54:06.614+11:002017-01-23T01:54:06.614+11:00@Millicent
The colored picture in your link says ...@Millicent<br /><br />The colored picture in your link says it all. This shows exactly the reason why Africa needs power grids to develop itself.<br /><br />And then think about this sentence in the article:<br /><i>While most people living off the grid are poor, the report estimates that tens of millions of households in Africa have an annual income that – while modest – is high enough for them to afford simple solar lanterns as well as some larger solar-powered appliances.</i><br /><br />And then think again what this says. And then think again.<br /><br />Do you already grasp the perversity of this sentence?<br />Bojanglesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43348815105166823152017-01-23T01:37:22.178+11:002017-01-23T01:37:22.178+11:00I am poorly informed on some things, Bojangles, bu...I am poorly informed on some things, Bojangles, but I do try to inform myself about what I write. You could have read <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/wuwt-sez-let-africans-starve-and.html" rel="nofollow">the article I linked to</a> (and the references within it) but instead you were too intent on repeating your wildly wrong talking points. Talk about being poorly informed - you'd rather people died from <a href="https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/01/19/beijing-spending-27-billion-to-clean-up-air-pollution.html" rel="nofollow">pollution from traffic and coal plants</a> than <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/15/africa/off-the-grid-tanzania-rwanda/" rel="nofollow">benefit from renewable energy</a>.<br /><br />Like I said - <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/wuwt-sez-let-africans-starve-and.html" rel="nofollow">read the article</a>. Here's more - <a href="http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-south-sudan-starvation-20160105-story.html" rel="nofollow">from the LA Times</a>:<br /><br /><i>Humanitarian groups are growing increasingly concerned about two hunger emergencies unfolding in East Africa -- one caused by drought, the other by war.<br /><br />Millions of people in Ethiopia and South Sudan are short on food, international agencies say, and in South Sudan, conflict has made it difficult for outside groups to help.</i><br /><br />From <a href="http://www.africanews.com/2017/01/19/un-warns-of-famine-risk-in-somalia-amid-worsening-drought/" rel="nofollow">Africa News</a>:<br /><br /><i>Somalia risks slipping back into famine, the United Nations said on Tuesday (January 17), as worsening drought has left millions of people without food, water or healthcare in a country crippled by decades of war.</i><br /><br />From <a href="http://www.fredericknewspost.com/public/ap/africa-s-hunger-emergency/article_66fec769-9798-54f5-b3e7-5b9bb01ba905.html" rel="nofollow">FrederickNewsPost.com</a> <br /><br /><i>African farmers scrape out a living in some of the harshest places on Earth. Climate change has made it tougher, with successive droughts and crop failures in many parts of Africa. On top of that, the 2015-16 El Nino led to severe drought, poor harvests and mass deaths of cattle and wildlife.<br /><br />Meanwhile, fighting has caused humanitarian emergencies in several countries, including Nigeria, Somalia and South Sudan.</i>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81335526590325088502017-01-23T01:29:15.370+11:002017-01-23T01:29:15.370+11:00Well somebody is ill informed:
In addition to the...Well somebody is ill informed:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.opic.gov/blog/renewables/grid-africa-why-distributed-power-becoming-key-source-electricity" rel="nofollow">In addition to the large off-grid population in Africa, the report notes that there are other factors that make off-grid power the most practical way to deliver electricity in many parts of the continent, the report notes.</a><br /><br />Supplying energy derived from fossil fuels via a grid that does not exist is not the solution.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58993189082039745272017-01-23T01:26:46.857+11:002017-01-23T01:26:46.857+11:00"Although the warming over the last 20 years ..."<i>Although the warming over the last 20 years is only one third of what climate models projected...</i>"<br /><br />Balderdash.<br /><br />If you have analyses that support your claim, present them. By way of meeting this criterion myself, I submit:<br /><br /><a href="https://twitter.com/GarethSJones1/status/822021416740651008" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/GarethSJones1/status/822021416740651008</a><br /><br /><a href="https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/821753665450950656" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/821753665450950656</a><br /><br /><a href="https://twitter.com/ClimateOfGavin/status/821756337864458243" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/ClimateOfGavin/status/821756337864458243</a><br /><br />Or, if you want to go back to Hansen's 1988 models, you'll find that his Scenario B is on the money:<br /><br /><a href="https://moyhu.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/hansens-1988-predictions-revisited.html" rel="nofollow">https://moyhu.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/hansens-1988-predictions-revisited.html</a><br /><br />"<i>...therefore the beneficial effects of the greenhouse effect (greening planet) may well be much greater than the potential negative effect (too much warming)</i>"<br /><br />This is such a blatantly untrue statement that it would require whole posts dedicated to demonstrating how wrong it is with respect to so many different parameters. However, you made the claim, so support it with evidence that contradicts the harm that whole fields of scientific research have indicated will occur with increased planetary warming.<br /><br />And on the subject of "greening", you should also take into account that CO₂ is frequently (and in many instances nearly always) not the limiting factor in plant growth. Plants often don't want more CO₂ and in the short term they<br /> frequently respond by closing their stomata to atmospheric CO₂ uptake. On evolutionary scales of time they'll adapt by reducing the density of stomata on their leaves.<br /><br />And in instances where growth <i>is</i> enhanced in elevated CO₂ conditions, there is often a concomitant disruption of the plants' carbon:nitrogen ratios, leading to reduced nutritional values and susceptibility to pest attack.<br /><br />"<i>“Is harmful” suggests a certainty that is not there...</i>"<br /><br />There is much literature that suggests otherwise. Have you actually ever read any scientific literature?<br /><br />"<i>Pollution: In general correct definitions, when talking about unnatural chemical substances created by men, which CO2 is not.</i>"<br /><br />No, the definitions of pollution are not predicated on the pollutants being "unnatural" chemicals created by <i><b>humans</b></i>. OIl is a pollutant, coal and asbestos dust are pollutants, urine in waterways is a pollutant. And fossil CO₂ is a pollutant.<br /><br />"<i>Including CO2 in these definitions is what I call the derailment of EPA</i>"<br /><br />Oh, you may call it that, but it doesn't make it so, and any intelligent and appropriated educated/experienced person would almost inevitably disagree with you.<br /><br />"<i>5). Incorrect.</i>"<br /><br />Your single word describes itself. You have not shown that my statement was incorrect, and your clumsy attempts at redefining meanings and simply lying about matters does not lend any strength to your assertions.<br /><br />I will repeat for the hard of learning: humans emit fossil CO₂, which warms the planet and harms the biosphere. CO₂ is therefore very much a pollutant by every standard definition of such, and because fossil CO₂ is a major part of the emissions of fossil fuels, it is absolutely and irrevocably a "MAJOR PART OF POLLUTING EMISSIONS."Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12234221712060959092017-01-23T01:05:46.278+11:002017-01-23T01:05:46.278+11:00@Sou
As usual here, you are poorly informed about...@Sou<br /><br />As usual here, you are poorly informed about the latest reality.<br />Famine is not the basic problem anymore in most areas of Africa. It is affordable energy supplied through a reliable grid, so that people don’t have to burn wood in open fire places in their homes, producing very harmful fumes and resulting in early death.<br />Bojanglesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38684483599542576062017-01-23T01:03:42.260+11:002017-01-23T01:03:42.260+11:00True, but distance does allow the cold hearted to ...True, but distance does allow the cold hearted to pretend to be fonder.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65396953760233058692017-01-22T23:42:24.213+11:002017-01-22T23:42:24.213+11:00@Millicent - Deniers have no sympathy for any star...@Millicent - Deniers have no sympathy for any <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/wuwt-sez-let-africans-starve-and.html" rel="nofollow">starving people in Africa</a> either.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78175024934411701132017-01-22T22:18:29.773+11:002017-01-22T22:18:29.773+11:00"The sad thing about warmists who blame fossi..."The sad thing about warmists who blame fossil fuels is that the solution they offer is a fake solution for a modern, energy intensive world"<br /><br />Which explains why you deny the science exactly how?Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58250049596579386082017-01-22T22:07:29.652+11:002017-01-22T22:07:29.652+11:00I think the instructions they have been given are ...I think the instructions they have been given are that they are not supposed to show any sympathy if the people in poverty are Mexican.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41784597938414292702017-01-22T20:54:24.368+11:002017-01-22T20:54:24.368+11:00I must admit to finding it unusual that quite a fe...I must admit to finding it unusual that quite a few science deniers, most of whom worship billionaires with vulgar taste, have suddenly found some sympathy for people in poverty or pretend they have. Inconsistently, those same science deniers are also intent on harming the poor nations of the world, those very same people who are most vulnerable to climate change.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45664128689149777212017-01-22T20:02:21.346+11:002017-01-22T20:02:21.346+11:00@ Bernard J.
In response to your remarks on CO2 a...@ Bernard J.<br /><br />In response to your remarks on CO2 and pollution:<br /><br />1). Correct<br />2). Correct. Although the warming over the last 20 years is only one third of what climate models projected, and therefore the beneficial effects of the greenhouse effect (greening planet) may well be much greater than the potential negative effect (too much warming).<br />3). Incorrect. “Is harmful” suggests a certainty that is not there. See also remark 2).<br />4). Pollution: In general correct definitions, when talking about unnatural chemical substances created by men, which CO2 is not. Including CO2 in these definitions is what I call the derailment of EPA.<br />5). Incorrect.<br /><br />The sad thing about warmists who blame fossil fuels is that the solution they offer is a fake solution for a modern, energy intensive world. Anybody with a brain can calculate that the current selection of renewables are not going to reduce the worlds CO2 emissions by any significant amount. So it is a sort of hobby for the privileged of the earth putting the lower classes of the world in extended poverty.<br />Bojanglesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14710455435902623782017-01-22T18:58:29.186+11:002017-01-22T18:58:29.186+11:00"But that will be fixed now."
Let's..."But that will be fixed now."<br /><br />Let's not forget that according to the "We" that our latest sockpuppet represents, climate change is now a Chinese conspiracy. The previous "We" had it to be a Russian conspiracy. But now the Russians are good people and really, really, really deserve our friendship and large chunks of Ukrainian territory.<br /><br />That's the current "We" of course. What the next "We" that our sockpuppet friend will be supporting will be is still anybody's guess.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18082961914776967392017-01-22T16:00:07.107+11:002017-01-22T16:00:07.107+11:00"I wonder what Mack's latest sock puppet ..."<i>I wonder what Mack's latest sock puppet is called.</i>"<br /><br />I seem to recall 'Bojangles' commenting a few years ago, possibly around the same time that KarenMackSunspot was active. They certainly share the same incompetence with punctuation marks, so they could very well be the same puppeteer.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88826477363666618432017-01-22T15:54:23.972+11:002017-01-22T15:54:23.972+11:00"And CO2 forms no part of polluting emissions..."<i>And CO2 forms no part of polluting emissions.</i>"<br /><br />1) The fossil CO₂ that humans are emitting to the atmosphere is extra to the otherwise usual fluxes in the contemporary carbon cycle.<br /><br />2) The presence of this extra, fossil CO₂ warms the planet through the very well-understood mechanism of enhancing the absorption of directional radiation and its subsequent reradiation in random directions - this results in a retention (a delay in dispersal) of heat in the atmosphere and is referred to as the 'greenhouse' effect.<br /><br />3) The increased warmth, resulting from this delay of planetary dispersal of infrared radiation caused by the enhanced atmospheric content of CO₂ due to human emissions of fossil carbon, alters the climatic and is harmful to the planet's ecosystems - including the ecosystems and ecosystem functions on which humanity relies.<br /><br />4) Pollution is:<br /><br />"<i><a href="https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/pollution" rel="nofollow">the presence in or introduction into the environment of a substance which has harmful or poisonous effects</a></i>"<br /><br />"<i><a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pollution" rel="nofollow">the action or process of making land, water, air, etc., dirty and not safe or suitable to use</a></i>"<br /><br />"<i><a href="www.dictionary.com/browse/pollution" rel="nofollow">[t]he contamination of air, water, or soil by substances that are harmful to living organisms</a></i>"<br /><br />"<i><a href="www.thefreedictionary.com/pollution" rel="nofollow">1. The act or process of polluting or the state of being polluted, especially the contamination of soil, water, or the atmosphere by the discharge of harmful substances. 2. Something that pollutes; a pollutant or a group of pollutants</a></i>"<br /><br />"<i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution" rel="nofollow">[p]ollution is the introduction of contaminants into the natural environment that cause adverse change</a></i>"<br /><br />"<i><a href="http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/pollution.html" rel="nofollow">[the p]resence of matter (gas, liquid, solid) or energy (heat, noise, radiation) whose nature, location, or quantity directly or indirectly alters characteristics or processes of any part of the environment, and causes (or has the potential to cause) damage to the condition, health, safety, or welfare of animals, humans, plants, or property.</a></i>"<br /><br />5) Recapping: humans emit fossil CO₂, which warms the planet and harms the biosphere. CO₂ is therefore very much a pollutant by every standard definition of such, and because fossil CO₂ is a major part of the emissions of fossil fuels, it is absolutely and irrevocably a "MAJOR PART OF POLLUTING EMISSIONS."<br /><br />Sorry Bojangles, but you are completely and utterly wrong.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25413602681143325532017-01-22T15:50:58.001+11:002017-01-22T15:50:58.001+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10134442474091162802017-01-22T09:42:54.561+11:002017-01-22T09:42:54.561+11:00"My aim ...".
Delusions of grandeur?
...<i>"My aim ...".</i><br /><br /> Delusions of grandeur?<br /><br />Or his plans for solar on his roof?<br /><br />Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72775439367303531412017-01-22T09:35:54.560+11:002017-01-22T09:35:54.560+11:00Bojangles sez:
But that will be fixed now.
Cue p...Bojangles sez:<br /><br /><i>But that will be fixed now.</i><br /><br />Cue pleasant images of jackboots stomping on people's faces.metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56624819356888539252017-01-22T06:28:28.395+11:002017-01-22T06:28:28.395+11:00I wonder what Mack's latest sock puppet is cal...I wonder what Mack's latest sock puppet is called.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39648372002570520322017-01-22T04:29:21.979+11:002017-01-22T04:29:21.979+11:00My aim is to have clean and affordable energy in t...My aim is to have clean and affordable energy in the future. And CO2 forms no part of polluting emissions. This has always been the case until the EPA derailed some years ago. But that will be fixed now.Bojanglesnoreply@blogger.com