tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1630541608208856988..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: A near-perfect example of a CO2 denierism at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33970902350294317652015-06-14T14:50:13.764+10:002015-06-14T14:50:13.764+10:00and now reappearing at wutw...
http://deepclimate...and now reappearing at wutw...<br /><br /><a href="http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#more-219" rel="nofollow">http://deepclimate.org/2009/04/09/the-alberta-oil-boys-network-spins-global-warming-into-cooling/#more-219</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083190014669867976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87652524409242431622015-04-23T01:20:25.412+10:002015-04-23T01:20:25.412+10:00"Could something like this even be done in a ..."Could something like this even be done in a time frame that would make a difference?"<br /><br />I believe it is the only approach which can actually get the job done in the time frame we do have left to us.Gingerbakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6114555864836803722015-04-23T00:47:53.857+10:002015-04-23T00:47:53.857+10:00On the 7:00 pm ABC news of 22 April a policewoman ...On the 7:00 pm ABC news of 22 April a policewoman repeated the "once in ten years" phrase, and puzzlingly unnecessarily too, I thought. I'm really wondering if there was a spin doctor involved in scripting this into media statements - it's just so at odds with both the magnitude of the storms and the necessity for continual repetition.Bernard J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53264789557727490152015-04-22T21:15:47.200+10:002015-04-22T21:15:47.200+10:00If someone can figure out how to get Excel to grou...If someone can figure out how to get Excel to group by 10 years at a time for decadal analysis. Grouping by year is easy. I did work out a fudge for 10 year grouping but it is not stable, and crashed Excel more often than not.<br /><br />Maybe I should just be lazy and present monthly data with a cherry-picked trendline like the deniers do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78757579780366706972015-04-22T20:16:02.213+10:002015-04-22T20:16:02.213+10:00What I read didn't sound like a once in a deca...What I read didn't sound like a once in a decade event. I'm with you, Bernard. It didn't even sound like a once in a lifetime event.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51646833831310322542015-04-22T19:53:23.793+10:002015-04-22T19:53:23.793+10:00Harry it's just Excel - the Office 2013 versio...Harry it's just Excel - the Office 2013 version via the Office365 subs.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52703660680375423262015-04-22T19:00:33.350+10:002015-04-22T19:00:33.350+10:00Sou,
just wondering, what charting software packa...Sou,<br /><br />just wondering, what charting software package do you use?<br /><br />I use MS Excel 2010 which is OK up to a point. It's filtering, grouping and summarization functions are not very good.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43777809997309955912015-04-22T17:36:40.840+10:002015-04-22T17:36:40.840+10:00I've seen some spectacular storms in the Hunte...I've seen some spectacular storms in the Hunter, but I've never seen houses float down river at Dungog. It's been many years since I've stopped to have lunch on the river there but from memory the houses on Dowling St are a fair height above the river - around 6-8 metres I'd estimate. The Williams isn't exactly a raging torrent that high up the valley and the area around Dungog is relatively open and flat, so to have flash flooding that reached the houses and then so high up their walls must have been extraordinary.<br /><br />Oh, I know that people will say that plenty of rivers easily top that height in floods, and of course they do, but I'd respond by asking when the last time was that Dungog's houses were flooded to the ceilings, and that four or five of them were carried away...?<br /><br />More important is how frequent such events are in this area (is it really once per decade) and <i>how frequent they will become in the future</i>, not just in the Hunter but everywhere.<br /><br />From an ecological perspective I know the effect that that such floods have on the littoral species in the forests around there above Dungog - this sort of flooding would have catastophic impacts on some species if it occurred once per decade, and some would simply not exist there as they have to date.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78411752960925138812015-04-22T17:16:11.927+10:002015-04-22T17:16:11.927+10:00Some people say the Coal Sack near the Southern Cr...Some people say the Coal Sack near the Southern Cross is dark. Here is my image 16 MB. It has a field of view of 3.5x3.5 degrees.<br /><br />http://d1355990.i49.quadrahosting.com.au/2015_04/CoalSack_N.jpg<br /><br />I am still busy in my retirement. I aim to flame out rather than burn out! BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75808617304216305252015-04-22T16:51:36.660+10:002015-04-22T16:51:36.660+10:00I was also immediately struck by the 'once a d...I was also immediately struck by the 'once a decade' thing! I really, really, doubt that that's true, at least if we're reckoning from the 20th Century averages...<br /><br />Erring on the side of least drama?billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63250863580887124762015-04-22T15:43:14.113+10:002015-04-22T15:43:14.113+10:00We poo flinging monkeys invented the scientific me...We poo flinging monkeys invented the scientific method to overcome our emotional response to the Universe. Sou showed above where we should have started but it did not really happen until about three hundred years ago. Most of humanity does not have a clue how modern technology works!<br /> A portent as simple as a bright comet would scare the populace to insane acts such as suicide and even worse giving up all for some sort of sky god.<br /><br />It is a fact that rising global temperature will cause more extreme weather events. <br />Unless the deniers stop using the El Nino of 1998 as a starting point for the new era of hiatus we can point to ANY extreme weather event as proof of global warming. Cherry picking is free for all if the dolts do it. BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77389102438440921082015-04-22T13:24:11.348+10:002015-04-22T13:24:11.348+10:00...Hunter Valley......Hunter Vall<b>e</b>y...Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2460009991413772682015-04-22T13:23:28.660+10:002015-04-22T13:23:28.660+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55479919816411863832015-04-22T13:22:18.315+10:002015-04-22T13:22:18.315+10:00So yesterday the media releases reporting on the H...So yesterday the media releases reporting on the Hunter Vally storm repeatedly said that it was a "once-in-a-decade event". I was rather surprised to hear this, as I am well familiar with the Hunter and it's been more than a decade since 300 mm of rain fell in a single day (let alone a single storm), or since houses floated away down rivers. One of my relative's workshop was struck by lightning 5 times in the space of a hour or two, and she doesn't even live on a hill...<br /><br />I can't help but wonder if the "once-in-a-decade event" meme was inserted in order to temper the perception that this was an extreme weather event... No one with any real familiarity of the weather in the this part of NSW would be so sanguine about the nature of the storms in the last 24 hours.<br /><br />Ironically, with the continuing absence of any effective action on carbon emissions, climate change will ensure that this and worse <i><b>does</b></i> become a once-in-a-decade (or even more frequent) event. And just to twist the knife, a couple of hours to the west of the damage the land is suffering under an extreme lack of water, with farmers saying that it's as bad as they can remember...Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18617027140503437102015-04-22T00:56:03.878+10:002015-04-22T00:56:03.878+10:00OT, but
"University of Queensland offering ...OT, but <br /><br />"University of Queensland offering free online course to demolish climate denial"<br />http://www.skepticalscience.com/uq-offering-mooc-denial101x.html<br /><br />"Starting April 28th, 2015, the University of Queensland is offering a free Massive Open Online Course (MOOC) aimed at 'Making Sense of Climate Science Denial.' The course coordinator is John Cook, University of Queensland Global Change Institute Climate Communication Fellow, and founder of the climate science myth debunking website Skeptical Science."<br /><br />We can now expect the GWPF to sponsor a "Making No Sense Of Climate Science" MOOC coordinated by Fred Singer (I bet he's not too retired for that gig).Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76087492595013462022015-04-21T20:50:13.023+10:002015-04-21T20:50:13.023+10:00Don't Panic ;-)Don't Panic ;-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784872872859319666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30286930941936212422015-04-21T20:26:16.564+10:002015-04-21T20:26:16.564+10:00I love the way that 'kim' openly professes...I love the way that 'kim' openly professes a willingness to accept any belief system just so long as it doesn't threaten the slob lifestyle or fossil fuel industry profits.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88659350288292145552015-04-21T20:17:20.167+10:002015-04-21T20:17:20.167+10:00+0.15° C or so on 2014 for El Niño 2015 (compare w...+0.15° C or so on 2014 for El Niño 2015 (compare with the 1998 jump - I'm conservative even, because the recent Niño development is busting the records). cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12956092821537727592015-04-21T14:31:02.854+10:002015-04-21T14:31:02.854+10:00The irresistible force paradox asks "What hap...The irresistible force paradox asks "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?"<br /><br />In modern times climate change has become the unstoppable force because human obstinance has proven to be an immovable object. However, unlike the irresistible force paradox the immovable object at least does not hold to the assumption of immutibility, and the inevitable consequence is that humanity will break.<br /><br />Put another way, climate change deniers are the Magrathean sperm whale plummenting through the air and having an internal conversation wherein they discover their own brilliance and display their optimism about their trajectory. Those who actually understand what is happening are about as significant in relative size as that bowl of petunias, and about as effective in averting the inevitable conclusion...Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53645360460956192242015-04-21T10:15:21.593+10:002015-04-21T10:15:21.593+10:00[SEPP Comment: A collection of articles showing su...[SEPP Comment: A collection of articles showing support for the bank which will help finance coal fired power plants.]<br /><br />JC Collins has covered what actually happened at his blog. The U.S. in fact defaulted back in October of 2013. Maybe teabaggers will have your coal, but you probably won't have your weapons.<br />http://philosophyofmetrics.com/2014/01/16/china-to-purchase-the-federal-reserve/<br /><br />http://philosophyofmetrics.com/category/sdrs-and-the-new-bretton-woods-2/ɹeʍoɹɥʇeɯɐlɟhttp://arkansaswildlifephotography.com/#axzz3XRikfyyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19331531875450919602015-04-21T10:12:09.200+10:002015-04-21T10:12:09.200+10:00There won't be any "world adaption"....There won't be any "world adaption". No matter what the figures say, they do not account for human stupidity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85254779075431281462015-04-21T08:28:58.698+10:002015-04-21T08:28:58.698+10:00"How would the country be able to absorb a $1..."How would the country be able to absorb a $10T hit?" -- easily. After all, the alternative is to take that hit over 7 years just on fossil fuel prices, never mind any other issues. And then to take that hit again in the subsequent 7 years. And again, and again, and again...numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48917640813982436082015-04-21T08:16:51.564+10:002015-04-21T08:16:51.564+10:00Could something like this even be done in a time f...Could something like this even be done in a time frame that would make a difference?Trying to implement something of this scale over a short time frame could be economically disastrous.<br /><br />How would the country be able to absorb a $10T hit? The only options are raising taxes on people by thousands of dollars a year, or adding to the national debt, which already stands at over $17T. <br />Craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67118029591687747172015-04-21T04:59:59.903+10:002015-04-21T04:59:59.903+10:00Sue,
Your readers might be interested by this pie...Sue,<br /><br />Your readers might be interested by this piece at the fandabulous 'Icecap' website from Allan MacRae, which dates back to September 2008: http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/is_this_the_beginning_of_global_cooling/<br /><br />It's alleged to be the inspiration for Roy Spencer's brief flirtation with polynomial trends ('for entertainment purposes only'; anyone remember that?).<br /><br />It shows the UAH data fitted with a high order polynomial trend line. Allan captured it just in the depths of its (then) downward peak. Global cooling seemed assured. <br /><br />Anyone with a spreadsheet programme can upload the latest UAH data, make a chart and add a high order polynomial trend to it.<br /><br />They will see for themselves why it is ill-advised to draw strong conclusions from high order polynomial trends; also why Roy quietly dropped his from the UAH updates.DavidRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21343928686886192142015-04-21T04:51:30.256+10:002015-04-21T04:51:30.256+10:00Taxpayers will foot the bill no matter what happen...Taxpayers will foot the bill no matter what happens. If business as usual happens, M.I.T. says worldwide adaptation costs will be $1204 trillion, with a substantial portion accruing to the U.S.. and that is only up to year 2100.<br /><br />Or home and business owners can continue to pay tens of thousands out of their own pockets for systems on their own property which are multiples higher per KHour, and only meet a portion of their needs.<br /><br />The question is what is the most economical expenditure, and perhaps more importantly, what sort of effort can accomplish what we need quickly enough. And the clear answer is Federally-funded and Federally-planned projects.<br /><br />$10 Trillion is the least expensive way to go, and the Federal government is the only entity which can take on that sort of commitment and debt. (It is also the only entity that can print its own money). And paying it off with taxes and bonds is the most egalitarian way to finance this - certainly much more ethical than waiting for individuals to bear the expense, or for profiteers to turn our quasi-public energy infrastructure into an eternal profit-generation scheme.<br /><br />Plus, this is the way the U.S. has achieved all its large-scale projects in the past - with Federal spending. Imagine if the Interstate highway system was left to townships and paving companies to design and implement. That is exactly what is happening with our energy future right now - the government is failing to uphold its responsibilities.<br /><br />If a homeowner can enjoy free electricity after capitalization costs are recovered, so can a nation. It would be the highest ROI the world has ever seen. It would also be pretty socialistic, but frankly, after a few more years of the things are going, private and public energy utilities are going to be lining up at the door to have the industry nationalized anyway - there is no way that they can survive with their current business plan paradigm.Gingerbakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14211637630936981883noreply@blogger.com