tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1617025185555439720..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Anthony Watts' conspiracy blog and distorted representation at Spiegel OnlineSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61674800715169477112015-09-16T04:48:50.866+10:002015-09-16T04:48:50.866+10:00Either way, it's a predicted drop of the anoma...Either way, it's a predicted drop of the <i>anomaly</i> from +0-1C to -2.5C, not a drop of the global mean surface temperature from about +17C to -2.5C.Treesonghttp://nary.a.url.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21130008034776335662015-09-15T07:32:18.510+10:002015-09-15T07:32:18.510+10:00Yes. I meant drop down by 2.5C. I'll fix it.
...Yes. I meant drop down by 2.5C. I'll fix it.<br /><br />It wasn't clear from his comment what he meant. As you say, when the drop is as big as he suggested, it makes little difference whether it's a drop from the 2008 temperature (when he made his prediction) or a drop from the temperature at the turn of the twentieth century.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-44652121677794822072015-09-15T07:18:27.711+10:002015-09-15T07:18:27.711+10:00Little typo there: Gosselin surely predicted that ...Little typo there: Gosselin surely predicted that the 'global mean surface temperature <i>anomaly</i>' would drop to -2.5C. Which admittedly is not much more probable than the mean temperature dropping to -2.5C.Treesong (anonymous in training)http://have.no.url.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6211686100292005302015-09-15T01:20:13.714+10:002015-09-15T01:20:13.714+10:00Thanks Victor. I'd not come across him before ...Thanks Victor. I'd not come across him before and I doubt I'll pay him any attention in the future, either.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86133706725811160432015-09-15T00:50:07.583+10:002015-09-15T00:50:07.583+10:00I think Axel Bojanowski is someone HotWhopper woul...I think Axel Bojanowski is someone HotWhopper would normally link to using an archive. Every single article of his I have read on climate is patent nonsense. But that is accepted because it brings clicks and add revenue. I have stopped reading Spiegel Online. If this kind of misinformation is deemed to be acceptable on climate, where I can judge it, I also do not trust them when it comes to other topics, where I cannot judge it. And the editors should know after all these years that Bojanowski does not abide by the 10 commandments.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26587200023220925232015-09-15T00:33:35.431+10:002015-09-15T00:33:35.431+10:00Yes, but use that insult and the accuser risks bei...Yes, but use that insult and the accuser risks being accused of ignoring valid warnings. And as sea level continue to rise, drought spreads, imaginary pauses disappear etc etc. the fingers do start pointing.<br /><br />Whereas if you accuse somebody of denying the science you 'risk' in turn being accused of accepting the science. I'm OK with that.<br /><br />I think we have the better of the exchange. What I object to is when the deniers try to confuse terms (as recently when WUWT was calling people who accept the science deniers). But even that tactic indicates something pathetic about them.<br /><br />So as I said earlier, I'll not worry overmuch about the dictionary definition. And language is flexible: if deniers keep using 'alarmist' inappropriately then, over time, the accepted meaning will change in a manner that will come back to bite them when they are trying to convince future generations that they always accepted the science, they merely erred towards the low side of temperature predictions - as Anthony does when he remembers he is supposed to pretend to be a lukewarmer.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32623779675444035052015-09-14T23:13:20.398+10:002015-09-14T23:13:20.398+10:00'Alarmism' is to lie and/or exaggerate abo...'Alarmism' is to lie and/or exaggerate about something which is not real. It's therefore an insult when applied to someone who is raising the alarm over something that <i>is</i> real. Please don't confuse 'alarmist' with someone who is just 'alarmed'. The two are completely different.John Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04610757244403601917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6333320393449235292015-09-14T22:40:40.509+10:002015-09-14T22:40:40.509+10:00Yes - agree with all of that, Millicent. Our Liber...Yes - agree with all of that, Millicent. Our Liberal Party has just turfed a denier and replaced him with an alarmist as our new PM :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75198466255577767002015-09-14T21:16:35.093+10:002015-09-14T21:16:35.093+10:00Yeah, but if you call someone an alarmist that'...Yeah, but if you call someone an alarmist that's a double edged sword: you are telling everyone something about your own belief system. Calling us alarmists is starting to look very stupid indeed as we witness <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-wildfires-destroy-hundreds-of-homes-governor-jerry-brown-declares-state-of-emergency-10499459.html" rel="nofollow">how vulnerable we are to the world's climate</a>.<br /><br />The smart denier would use the term 'warmist' if there was such a thing as a smart denier. <br /><br />And its interesting to speculate why the term 'denier' does or does not carry the same issues as 'alarmist'. Certainly it raises hissy fits among them that we don't seem to suffer from.<br /><br />I wonder if Anthony will see the smoke today?Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72185899388238912062015-09-14T20:53:59.215+10:002015-09-14T20:53:59.215+10:00Alarmist is usually used to describe someone who i...Alarmist is usually used to describe someone who is raising alarm without good reason. "Alarmed" would be fine with me. <br /><br />Anyone who isn't alarmed by what is happening and likely to happen over coming decades is ignorant about climate, old (so they don't have to worry) or incapable of emotion and/or reason.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70532756439287493752015-09-14T20:32:14.494+10:002015-09-14T20:32:14.494+10:00I'll not worry overmuch about the dictionary d...I'll not worry overmuch about the dictionary definition and be perfectly happy with the term 'Alarmist'. When companies like Shell Oil are already planning for a world with 4C warming anyone with a claim to a 3 digit IQ ought to be alarmed. What's the alternative: concernist?Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23799734841726571252015-09-14T19:55:19.007+10:002015-09-14T19:55:19.007+10:00Re. Jimbo and Kev's comments...
In line with ...Re. Jimbo and Kev's comments...<br /><br />In line with their "logic" and "knowledge of history", it's simply amazing how tobacco "skeptics" just "fizzled" away and got less as the science got more clear through the 50s, 60s, and 70s. <br /><br />Or did history actually unfold somewhat differently as huge corporate, political, and social interests were affected?jgnfldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65133686175257657942015-09-14T19:51:06.397+10:002015-09-14T19:51:06.397+10:00Thanks J Grady!
The tropical cyclones forming off...Thanks J Grady!<br /><br /><i>The tropical cyclones forming off Mexico normally track south of Hawaii (in a parade). This summer, the cyclones have paraded north ... </i><br /><br />That proves it enough for me, then: it is all over, all the data is in!<br /><br />I'll admit I had my doubts about the thoroughness of the science at times, but now with definitive proof like that I can finally get on with my new sustainable life direction.<br />;-)markehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387629308058823374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75340883613337889742015-09-14T18:55:06.554+10:002015-09-14T18:55:06.554+10:00JG, I've read how cyclones are expected to mov...JG, I've read how cyclones are expected to move poleward as global warming kicks in. Could that be what's happening where you are?<br /><br />http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/02/cyclonic-conspiracies-at-wuwt.htmlSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-37899267011465065532015-09-14T18:20:16.427+10:002015-09-14T18:20:16.427+10:00An anecdotal and probably meaningless observation ...An anecdotal and probably meaningless observation (rant) about the current tropical cyclone and weather cycle in the Central Pacific (Hawaii!): When is the madness (heat, humidity and lack of trade winds) gonna' end? The tropical cyclones forming off Mexico normally track south of Hawaii (in a parade). This summer, the cyclones have paraded north of the Islands blocking the trades and drawing warm, humid, unstable air up behind them. If I had wanted to live in this type of weather I would have moved to Guam (no offense, some of my best friends are Guamanian ...). Does this portend a virtual move to Guam?<br />Seriously, I can't wait for those fluent in German to provide the accurate translation of the whole article.J Gradienoreply@blogger.com