tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post105667320270023715..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Pollution advocate Rachel DeJong and her unsavoury smear campaign at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12243409260379414602014-07-16T17:56:48.701+10:002014-07-16T17:56:48.701+10:00Couldn't resist to go and see the last comment...Couldn't resist to go and see the last comments. Anonymous surely displays nice copy and paste skills!<br /><br />http://www.academia.edu/5096954/EXPORTING_PRECAUTIONRaoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67078699732497937252014-07-16T14:48:25.202+10:002014-07-16T14:48:25.202+10:00Went to the HotWhoppery to read Anonymous comments...Went to the HotWhoppery to read Anonymous comments - seriously, WTF? I can't make heads or tails of all the huffing and puffing.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20881704467005994102014-07-16T01:47:01.706+10:002014-07-16T01:47:01.706+10:00Anonymous, I comment as a rare poster but regular ...Anonymous, I comment as a rare poster but regular reader.<br /><br />It does not help your "argument" when you patronise people by using terms such as "Deary". In fact all that does is alert readers as to your general disposition. It’s just not how polite people conduct themselves when seeking to make progress through dialogue. It is thus a dead giveaway.<br /><br />You end by saying "I rest my case", but I have not got a clue what your case is - or its connection to climate change. I see what I think you are alluding to, but allusion is just allusion. A joined up argument would at least help readers to assess your claims, whatever they may be. <br /><br />And is it really a (patronising) “lesson” in civics or comparative law? Are you are not just providing contrasting cross-cultural perspectives on Positive Freedom/Liberty v Negative Freedom/Liberty by using a quirky example interlaced with ideological allusions?<br /><br />But why write this guff at such length without explaining why ....??<br /><br />Anon123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8755761830641777102014-07-16T01:19:04.491+10:002014-07-16T01:19:04.491+10:00Anonymous
And your point is ...?Anonymous<br /><br />And your point is ...?Jammy Dodgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-537123064589742672014-07-14T14:53:17.139+10:002014-07-14T14:53:17.139+10:00If Anonymous or anyone else wants to read the dele...If Anonymous or anyone else wants to read the deleted comments by Anonymous, they have been shifted to <a href="http://hotwhopper.com/HotWhoppery.html#AnonRWA" rel="nofollow">the HotWhoppery</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65072203842897104272014-07-14T13:24:36.304+10:002014-07-14T13:24:36.304+10:00Dear Anonymous,
I didn't write that Sou was a...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />I didn't write that Sou was an astrophysicist but ... In terms of being able to express a considered opinion on the "science", Sou is light-years (Note: unintentional, loose connection with astrophysics) ahead of Anthony W., non-graduate from Penn State (the university not the penitentiary).<br /><br />As for your vituperative comments towards Sou, I suggest that you be less judgemental and leave out the buzz-words. I mean really, "post-modern"? You know my advice makes sense.<br /><br />Warmest Regards,<br /><br />George<br /><br />PS I quite like The Who's classic "Who are you?"<br /><br />PPS If we all followed Jeremy Clarkson's advice: "Leave climate science to the climate scientists", there wouldn't be too many people having a conversation. Although ... of that relatively select few that were conversing, 97 per cent would be in agreement.<br />George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62515086988107065022014-07-14T11:30:55.533+10:002014-07-14T11:30:55.533+10:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39722918542508135032014-07-14T09:29:36.685+10:002014-07-14T09:29:36.685+10:00Dear Anonymous,
So many questions! The only thing...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />So many questions! The only thing that I can provide an insight on is the "Stellar credentials".<br /><br />In the genre of cryptic crosswords, 'stellar credentials' = 'astrophysicist'.<br /><br />Happy cross words,<br /><br />GeorgeGeorge Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22840746333824331242014-07-14T09:26:02.059+10:002014-07-14T09:26:02.059+10:00Dear anonymous,
Why don't you try to follow t...Dear anonymous,<br /><br />Why don't you try to follow the <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/06/putting-on-old-epa-hat-wuwt-revisits.html" rel="nofollow">first link</a> at the top of this post and read what Sou has to say about the ITSSD "findings"?<br /><br />Do links frighten you?Raoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51241868210246688662014-07-14T09:01:11.230+10:002014-07-14T09:01:11.230+10:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15658556663369724072014-07-14T08:54:15.915+10:002014-07-14T08:54:15.915+10:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78231630971445437892014-07-13T07:23:32.459+10:002014-07-13T07:23:32.459+10:00Thanks, too bad I didn't catch that Insider...Thanks, too bad I didn't catch that Insider's View, but when I wrote the earlier report, there was just one NAS staffer who'd graduated from there, now there are three.<br /><br />However, this follows a patter I'd seen in 2010, see Bethany Stotts (p.158) in <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/crescendo-climategate-cacophony" rel="nofollow">Crescendo to Climategate Cacophony</a>.<br /><br />“Bethany Stotts, Staff Writer, joined the American Journalism Center as an intern in June 2007 shortly after graduating from <a href="http://www.messiah.edu/" rel="nofollow">Messiah College.</a>"<br /><br />She wrote for another thinktank, <a href="http://www.academia.org/about-aia/" rel="nofollow">Accuracxy in Academia</a>, which was actually run by <a href="http://www.aim.org/" rel="nofollow">Accuracy in Media</a>, whose biggest funder was Richard Mellon Scaife. (see p.94 of CCC, wher Carthage+Sarah Scaife gave most of the money.<br /><br />Anyway, Ms Stotts wrote articles bashing Mann, other scientists in Climategate.<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Goodling" rel="nofollow">Monica Goodling</a> was likely Messiah College's most famous graduate. From WIkipedia:<br />"According to David Ayres, senior chief of staff to Attorney General John Ashcroft, "She was the embodiment of a hardworking young conservative who believed strongly in the president and his mission".[7] According to Bud Cummins, one of the fired prosecutors and an Arkansas Republican, "She was inexperienced, way too naïve and a little overzealous".[5]"<br /><br />There seems a pattern, which does not necessarily reflect on these schools overall, but it certainly seems that some of their graduates make fine candidates for certain roles.<br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-37458559459223544332014-07-12T18:21:06.717+10:002014-07-12T18:21:06.717+10:00The King's College track record of "truth...The King's College track record of "truth, knowledge and integrity" is mixed at best.<br /><br />Recent Past President - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D'Souza" rel="nofollow">Dinesh D'Souza</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.tkc.edu/faculty-and-staff/wm-lee-hanley-jr" rel="nofollow">Chair of the Board</a>, Wm Lee Hanley Jr, was involved in <a href="http://www.eaglepub.com/william-lee-hanley-jr/" rel="nofollow">Eagle and Regnery Publishing</a>, which publishes <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3787818/pdf/10.1177_0002764213477096.pdf" rel="nofollow">denier tripe</a> (among other things) from people like Chris Horner and others associated with denier lobby groups like the Competitive Enterprise Institute.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Richard_and_Helen_DeVos_Foundation" rel="nofollow">Richard and Helen Devos</a> are also on the Board. I haven't checked out the <a href="https://www.tkc.edu/faculty-and-staff/board" rel="nofollow">other board members</a>.<br /><br />Murky relationships with the "World Journalism Institute" <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/10/993048/-Evangelical-Twist-on-Use-of-Prison-Labor-in-WI-and-Hidden-Links-to-Koch-Bros-Influence" rel="nofollow">are described here</a> at DailyKos - if you're into that sort of thing.<br /><br />Here is one<a href="http://killingthebuddha.com/mag/damnation/whose-college/" rel="nofollow"> insider's view of The King's College</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28951915584547359732014-07-12T17:43:43.875+10:002014-07-12T17:43:43.875+10:00Good work, John.
It didn't take young Rachel ...Good work, John.<br /><br />It didn't take young Rachel long to give up on the pledge "will not lie, cheat, steal, or turn a blind eye to those who do" if she ever bothered with it. Does a leopard change it's spots?<br /><br />Interesting home page for The King's College, given the behaviour of some of its alumni.<br /><br />https://www.tkc.edu/<br /><br />Reminds me of another aphorism "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51967249206426144102014-07-12T15:55:13.835+10:002014-07-12T15:55:13.835+10:00Oops, and from Staff list, MICHAEL T. TOSCANO at...Oops, and from <a href="http://www.nas.org/about/staff_boards" rel="nofollow">Staff list</a>, MICHAEL T. TOSCANO attended The KIng's College, as well.<br /><br />So, NAS had Wood, plus 3 young folks who all attended a small school not overly strong in science, but <a href="https://www.tkc.edu/" rel="nofollow">"We prepare principled leaders.</a>.<br />Here's the <a href="https://www.tkc.edu/politics-philosophy-economics-curriculum" rel="nofollow">P P & E curriculum they all took.</a>John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55112995920040884012014-07-12T15:48:12.806+10:002014-07-12T15:48:12.806+10:00From the NAS website:
'Rachelle DeJong joined ...From the NAS website:<br />'Rachelle DeJong joined NAS in 2013 as a research associate analyzing the campus sustainability movement. She graduated from The King’s College in May 2013 with a bachelor’s degree in Politics, Philosophy, and Economics.'<br /><br />See p.29 of <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/bottling.nonsense.pdf" rel="nofollow">Bottling Nonsense.</a><br />1) Wood was Provost of King's 2005-2007, and that is not King's College, London, but in NYC. In 2008 it had 258 students. Now, it has <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_College_%28New_York%29" rel="nofollow">856 students and 26 full-time staff.</a> The older handbook said students "will not lie, cheat, steal, or turn a blind eye to those who do."<br /><br />Ashley Thorne also got her degree from The KIng's College.<br /><br /><br />:<br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14696428071365351772014-07-12T10:03:13.679+10:002014-07-12T10:03:13.679+10:00However, I see they have kept beating the drums, f...However, I see they have kept beating the drums, for example, here are recent <a href="http://www.nas.org/topics/sustainability_topic" rel="nofollow">"sustainability"</a> articles.<br /><br />A few years ago, I <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/nas-president-peter-wood-wrong-dishonest-or-hopelessly-compromised" rel="nofollow">incldued a financial analysis.</a>, and just recently acquired the 2012 Form 990.<br />Membership dues were slowly declining, and in 2009 were $80K.<br />Then:<br />2010 $76K<br />2011 $90K (I think they did a promotion)<br />2012 $61K<br />SO, From a membership view, thsi seems a shrinking organization.<br /><br />As noted in my report, the long term biggest funder of NAS was the Sarah Scaife Foiundation, i.e., Richard Mellon Scaife, who just died recently. That may not change things, or it may.<br />John Masheyhttp://www.desmogblog.com/user/john-masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30353018937956693152014-07-12T01:42:29.471+10:002014-07-12T01:42:29.471+10:00My mistake. Thanks for picking it up, Rattus.My mistake. Thanks for picking it up, Rattus.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23668168131937588222014-07-12T01:37:35.590+10:002014-07-12T01:37:35.590+10:00Fortunately, Peter Wood no longer seems to get to ...Fortunately, Peter Wood no longer seems to get to blog on climate at Chronicle of Higher Education, unless something has changed lately.<br /><br />See <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/guest-post-bottling-nonsense-mis-using-a-civil-platform" rel="nofollow">Bottling Nonsense.</a> about a few of wood's posts there Complaints were raised with CHE, and while this may be coincidence, a bit alter, they rearranged their blogs..<br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27029418519740700842014-07-12T01:15:42.520+10:002014-07-12T01:15:42.520+10:00A slight correction, Lamar Smith is a Representati...A slight correction, Lamar Smith is a Representative and not a Senator. However both Senators from Texas are at least as evil!Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36287658026729599942014-07-11T22:04:14.886+10:002014-07-11T22:04:14.886+10:00Bravo, Sou! This is one of your best articles to d...Bravo, Sou! This is one of your best articles to date. And that is one heckuva powerful and incisive speech by Gina McCarthy. I got goose bumps reading that. She is beyond a doubt one of the best people they could have put in that position.<br /><br />Quote mining out of context is about the only thing the AGW deniers have left, just like the creationists. And when you catch them out on it, they aren't in the slight bit embarrassed or shamed. It seems they'll go to any lengths to shelter themselves from reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46608093074798059962014-07-11T17:12:53.539+10:002014-07-11T17:12:53.539+10:00Its stuff like this, going way beyond scientific i...Its stuff like this, going way beyond scientific ignorance and into realms of stupidity and vileness that a nine year old could see through, that convinces me that it is only the billion dollars a year of fossil fuel industry cash that keeps climate change denial going.<br /><br />And who would ever take somebody seriously when they have chosen a name that can be confused with the real NAS? When he carries stuff like this Watts betrays his real position.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com