tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post1039098759594899578..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: On opprobrium and disrespectSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-3500173133232350252015-01-15T06:49:13.164+11:002015-01-15T06:49:13.164+11:00To me a climate scientist should be more concerned...To me a climate scientist should be more concerned about their own work and other work specifically related to her expertise. Yet on her blog, science related to her expertise is rarely seen. I think she should probably stick to what she really knows to remain credible and objective.Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11329692328626880722015-01-15T05:36:33.575+11:002015-01-15T05:36:33.575+11:00The Ministry of Opprobrium & Disrespect seems ...The Ministry of Opprobrium & Disrespect seems <i> mighty </i>well represented in Watts' commentariat<br /><a rel="nofollow">http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/01/live-from-cisco-south-park-of-west.html</a><br />THE CLIMATE WARShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02578106673226403151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75434045485538079622015-01-15T00:24:50.212+11:002015-01-15T00:24:50.212+11:00Nice to see Judith censoring commenters on her fre...Nice to see Judith censoring commenters on her free speech thread. Jolly good! Also, Montford and Verytallguy have impressed on that thread - they really don't approve of her stupidity ...Captain Flashheartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53499088625311108942015-01-14T23:12:37.788+11:002015-01-14T23:12:37.788+11:00Among other things, it's the publicly *subsidi...Among other things, it's the publicly *subsidized* free speech which hacks them off.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46093555114973361062015-01-14T22:36:21.181+11:002015-01-14T22:36:21.181+11:00There's always 'no significant trend' ...There's always 'no significant trend' if you take a short enough time interval.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68337592525186466802015-01-14T21:32:35.933+11:002015-01-14T21:32:35.933+11:00David, you went with my comment pretty much as I s...David, you went with my comment pretty much as I see it. Any meaningful mitigation in the next 50 years will result in a man-made pause by 2100, and the grandkids of today's contrarian-o-sphere will be lamenting all the lost GDP growth. Much like today's small-gov't conservatives are fond of saying FDR made the Great Depression worse with the New Deal.<br /><br />Puts us in a tough spot. We all but need to root for disaster just to win the damn argument. It's not the way to manage a planet for the better.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34969089938916203612015-01-14T21:11:50.438+11:002015-01-14T21:11:50.438+11:00We all tend to see the world filtered through our ...We all tend to see the world filtered through our ideology, culture, and in general what groups we belong to. Of course, some people do it less and some people do it more, but I don't think anybody is immune. Some people have less conflicts between whats real and what they want to believe, and some people have more. I think that our denialist friends tend to be people with very strong filters who find their beliefs in strong conflicts with reality (as described by science). Therefore, they cling to every little scrap that can be used to maintain their beliefs in the face of reality, e.g. "Climate gate", "The Pause", "UHI", "scientific gate keeping"; "the Green Blob". And of course, they dismiss or ignore all the science that contradict their beliefts. Well, you know the stories. Lars Karlssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06158469980966810882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-64204758182163202582015-01-14T21:10:03.187+11:002015-01-14T21:10:03.187+11:00Quite correct! It is not about rational discussion...Quite correct! It is not about rational discussion but what ever drivel the denialists can make up. <br /><br />The point of this thread was another look at the logical idiocy on the part of Curry and many others. <br /><br />I do not know how Sou remains sane whilst perusing all this idiocy!<br /><br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4876886609764710822015-01-14T20:36:13.638+11:002015-01-14T20:36:13.638+11:00I do not see that calling someone a denier is an i...<br />I do not see that calling someone a denier is an insult. The type of person that gets offended by that is usually feeling unconfident in defending what they are saying and is trying to derail the discussion. It is a sign that they will not shift their views whatever evidence is put before them. In short they <b>are</b> deniers. <br /><br />I do not even notice being called a "warmist" or a "warmunista" or whatever. I do not care and makes absolutely no difference to me. It is irrelevant. <br /><br />The difference being that if someone shows me some evidence or makes a good point I will take notice of it. <br />Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-54004199959465718992015-01-14T20:33:59.529+11:002015-01-14T20:33:59.529+11:00Remember, this is all straight from the playbook:
...Remember, this is all straight from the playbook:<br /><br />"1) Attack your opponent’s strength from your weakness.<br /> 2) Accuse your opponent of doing what you’re doing.<br /> 3) Be worse than anyone can imagine." — Karl Rove<br /><br />These three principles are perfectly unified in JC's latest piece of excrement.FrankDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-80111522632630638472015-01-14T20:28:26.774+11:002015-01-14T20:28:26.774+11:00Yes, I've wondered about that. The Telegraph g...Yes, I've wondered about that. The Telegraph got rid of Delingpole, after all, so why not Booker? Perhaps he's a bit better connected to the old-boy network than Delingpole was. Harder to dislodge. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-84944788391042314202015-01-14T19:46:26.951+11:002015-01-14T19:46:26.951+11:00You are quite correct! just because I get bullied ...You are quite correct! just because I get bullied by some big kid at school means I should not smack him in the face. I never let this happen. I smacked them as hard as I could. <br /><br />I do the same thing now and I am 65. <br /><br />These morons do not know what appeasement is! They need a good hiding to let them know the lie of the land. <br /><br />It is too late for mister nice guy. Michael Mann has put the fear into the idiots that thought that they were untouchable. The idiots are already divesting themselves of any assets.<br /><br />I do not care for insults. But I have been called by no less than Curry to say my bit in all honesty as free speech!<br /><br />The irony is that you are calling for rationality and non name calling while the morons are calling for the opposite! I was just following their example. I am sorry for you as you obviously have not dealt with real bullies. I did. Many years ago about twenty blokes at my new school had a go at me. I beat up about three of them. I lost then and got a hiding. I spent the next three months to hunt each one out singly and fight him and beat the crap out of all of them! They never went near me again! My eight brothers always wondered why they were never picked on by these ignorant uneducated savages purporting to be of a higher quality than the rest of us.<br /><br />Bert<br /><br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67329812428525960542015-01-14T19:20:16.695+11:002015-01-14T19:20:16.695+11:00Brandon: Perhaps. Though I often think that even i...Brandon: Perhaps. Though I often think that even if the world did manage to mitigate climate change, and CO2 levels were somehow back at 280 ppm in the year 2100, they're would still be people writing op-eds about how many trillions of dollars were "wasted" fixing the "nonexistent" problem of global warming, and so the environmental problems of 2100 need not be addressed, because it's all just another scam.for catastropism and for scientists to get grant money.<br /><br />Like Y2K -- which WAS a real problem, but one that companies and governments solved by spending hundreds of millions of dollars (maybe billions) on fixing the problem before it happened. . <br /><br />Denialism is a bigger problem than just what's seen in climate change. Its seen in the anti-vaccine movement, the anti-GMO movement, the anti-fluoide movement, and anti-evolution and anti-Big Bang movements and more. It's really difficult to get one's head around.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87908878977425080102015-01-14T19:11:43.670+11:002015-01-14T19:11:43.670+11:00Bert: My point is that calling them names accompli...Bert: My point is that calling them names accomplishes precisely nothing, because they think the same of you as you do of them. We -- and I certainly include myself here -- do this to feel better about ourselves, not to accomplish anything. <br /><br />I don't know the answer. But I don't think it lies in more and more insults. I also don't think it lies in appeasement.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68461954439324356752015-01-14T19:06:37.564+11:002015-01-14T19:06:37.564+11:00David, when bass boats are the primary means of tr...David, when bass boats are the primary means of transportation in downtown Miami, we may just see some forward progress.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43784560116264243862015-01-14T19:06:21.760+11:002015-01-14T19:06:21.760+11:00What was your point that I missed?
Was it these ...What was your point that I missed? <br /><br />Was it these arseholes just pollute the water hole so nothing can be done? Or is it these arseholes keep bleating like wounded rats because this stops all real discussion. It could be that is we say it loud enough that they are simply wrong and irrelevant. The science has done this already. They are bleating like sad little sheep that have lost their way.<br />My contempt for these morons has no bounds. Since they were advocating free speech I am sure if I called all denialists deluded idiots at best, or liars at worst they would defend my position. I applaud their new found freedom of speech. I further say they are all not very nice people and just do not know how stupid they appear to the rest of us. I taunt you all! denialists,I taunt you all! BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78968289867803026502015-01-14T18:38:35.869+11:002015-01-14T18:38:35.869+11:00Bert: I'm afraid you entirely missed my point....Bert: I'm afraid you entirely missed my point. Oh well.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-89081772096043452782015-01-14T18:12:12.943+11:002015-01-14T18:12:12.943+11:00These first class morons are using projection of t...These first class morons are using projection of their own limited intellects and knowledge to judge their opponents or 'enemies' to be just as bereft of any real knowledge as themselves. It is not about rational discussion of all the real evidence of the issues we face. It is about dragging us down to their level in the imaginary world that they inhabit (I prefer to think of it as a cess pit full of crap of their own making). It is working in the USA and it is called Fox News. I fear for the future with these idiots spreading their misinformation and outright lies to a barely educated mass that thinks that celebrities have some relevance to their lives. <br />I find the current state of the world appalling. Mediocrity and irrelevance are vastly rewarded while the people who really contribute to all our wellbeing are derided. Bert<br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45191209820514270532015-01-14T17:51:45.205+11:002015-01-14T17:51:45.205+11:00Except, although I don't understand it, I thin...Except, although I don't understand it, I think they honestly think they are right, and that AGW is wrong. So while I too use labels like "appalling" all the time, I don't think they advance the argument one picometer. Ultimately I suspect it doesn't come down to science, but to, as Naomi Oreskes says, disagreements about politics, rights, and the role of government .<br /><br />In other words, they think we're just as blind, dishonest, and corrupt as we think they are. <br /><br />How progress is to be had in such an environment is beyond me, and maybe beyond anyone.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-10513844128341205942015-01-14T17:37:40.443+11:002015-01-14T17:37:40.443+11:00Wish I could add a lucid comment to this appalling...Wish I could add a lucid comment to this appalling behaviour. <br /><br />It all reminds me of that show 'Yes Minister' where everybody kept repeating the word appalling. <br /><br />What I find appalling is that denialists just cannot see how appalling they really are. They keep attacking real scientists with appalling labels such as warmista or communista. They just do not get irony, do they?<br /><br />BertBert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43786274543415185362015-01-14T09:21:02.404+11:002015-01-14T09:21:02.404+11:00I will keep that in mind. Likely it won't mak...I will keep that in mind. Likely it won't make a dent in the typical WUWT participant's compartmentalized thinking, but some of those who lurk may properly understand.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61643707911419086612015-01-14T08:19:54.744+11:002015-01-14T08:19:54.744+11:00I'm rather surprised that the Telegraph hasn&#...I'm rather surprised that the Telegraph hasn't put Booker out to grass some years ago. I guess he gets enough letters in green ink supporting him to warrant his waste of good newsprint each Sunday. I've long since learned that whatever he says about science, I should accept the opposite.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43374981449001628292015-01-14T05:56:18.807+11:002015-01-14T05:56:18.807+11:00Banned at WUWT? You can add your name to the list ...Banned at WUWT? You can add your name to the list here:<br /><br />http://davidappell.blogspot.com/2015/01/banned-at-wuwt-add-your-name-to-list.htmlDavid Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-34946743446482624452015-01-14T05:51:05.620+11:002015-01-14T05:51:05.620+11:00She insults Mann (Jewish, btw) and calls opponents...She insults Mann (Jewish, btw) and calls opponents the equivalents of anti-semites without skipping a beat. Aunt Judy is full on nuts at this point.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45151496461041516122015-01-14T04:52:11.353+11:002015-01-14T04:52:11.353+11:00it's incredible, isn't it? and it's n...it's incredible, isn't it? and it's not Booker's first foray into proud ignorance (or outright fabrication) either -- over the years he's argued in favour of creationism and against the links between cancer and both asbestos and second-hand smoking. the guy is crank magnetism writ on an epic scale.<br /><br />there's been a lot of excitement here in the UK after a "security expert" claimed on Fox News that the second largest city in the UK, is "totally Muslim" and that "non-Muslims just simply don’t go in". needless to say that this came as a bit of a surprise to the millions of non-Muslims who regularly go into Birmingham, especially if their destination was the huge Christmas market they just held there. but what are the odds that he'll experience even the tiniest career hiccup for this staggering display of ignorance on <i>exactly the topic he was being paid to be an expert</i>?<br /><br />some people just seem to always fail upwards. though i suppose there's no great incentive for them to try harder, given how many people seem to be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt once more, however many times they've previously proven to be liars, incompetents or both.lignenoreply@blogger.com