tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post957229360188123894..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Tom Harris, Free Speech and DisinformationSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41916727952004699022015-06-04T20:34:13.359+10:002015-06-04T20:34:13.359+10:00I and Creation scientists point to both sides, bio...<i>I and Creation scientists point to both sides, biology textbooks and Answers in Genesis along with other Creationist material, comparing them against each other.</i><br /><br />It's the same freaking thing! The glib smugness of buffoons congratulating themselves on their 'open mindedness' never ceases to amaze. But, Russell, your brain fell out.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19910741428426792042015-06-04T19:40:03.158+10:002015-06-04T19:40:03.158+10:00Yes, Jammy. Creationists are a good comparison.
...Yes, Jammy. Creationists are a good comparison. <br /><br />I think Russell must not find anything wrong with using the Bible rather than paleo evidence to claim something or other about past climates.Russell also apparently thinks that a reasonable rebuttal to 200 years of science is "it's a hoax".<br /><br />He's also immune to evidence - either doesn't recognise it or is blind to it. For example, he claims that "you people" and HotWhopper don't discuss facts or point out denier nonsense and explain why it is nonsense. He's a showing double or triple denial. Even a cursory glance over the articles here shows that HW is all about evidence and showing why denier nonsense is nonsense.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36640098755148665342015-06-04T18:07:49.748+10:002015-06-04T18:07:49.748+10:00"[...] a blog clearly stating it was formerly...<em>"[...] a blog clearly stating it was formerly known as "<b>WottsUpWithThatBlog</b>". The site where I repeatedly challenged proprietor Ben Lawson to provide evidence proving skeptics are crooks clearly says it was run by Ben Lawson. http://<b>wottsupwiththat</b>.com/author/benlawson/"</em><br /><br />wottsupwiththat<br />wottsupwiththatblog<br /><br />Spot the difference?<br /><br />Or do we need to... well... to hand-walk you through this? Raoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91746606473711644662015-06-04T17:01:02.758+10:002015-06-04T17:01:02.758+10:00"- I and skeptic scientists point to both sid...<i>"- I and skeptic scientists point to both sides, the IPCC and the NIPCC Reports ..."</i><br /><br />And there you have it. The paucity of thinking that there are only two sides to any question when there are many "sides". Strangely deniers think this is being skeptical and open-minded. They just cannot handle any complexity but only think in black and white.<br /><br />Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69993919298901538402015-06-04T12:46:00.093+10:002015-06-04T12:46:00.093+10:00' I and skeptic scientists point to both sides...'<i> I and skeptic scientists point to both sides, the IPCC and the NIPCC Reports along with other skeptic material, comparing them against each other.</i>' What a joke! After that: tl;dr<br /><br /><i>You people</i> really are the Creationists of the 21st Century. To the Hot Whoppery with him!(?)billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41077426480379332452015-06-04T08:46:06.601+10:002015-06-04T08:46:06.601+10:00"What an unusual mixed up comment. …" Pu..."What an unusual mixed up comment. …" Pure psychological projection on Sou's part, while going off on some vague tangent about 'questions not being asked' and bizarrely linking to a Google map for the place where I know full well is your location. What on Earth does that have to do with anything in my prior comment?<br /><br />And do I really have to hand-walk every enviro-activist through what the issue is all about?<br /><br /> - AGW believers (that's you guys) point only to one side, the IPCC side, heartily endorsed by Al Gore, Naomi Oreskes, SkS, Stephan Lewandowsky, etc<br /><br /> - I and skeptic scientists point to both sides, the IPCC and the NIPCC Reports along with other skeptic material, comparing them against each other.<br /><br /> - AGW believers (again, that's you guys) fail to point out where skeptics are dead wrong while saying they are industry-corrupted (recheck the point of your Tom Harris diatribe above)<br /><br /> - I ask AGW believers (again, you guys) to show proof that skeptics are paid & instructed to lie<br /><br /> - AGW believers fold like cheap suits, sidestepping my challenge, responding with mixed-up comments and irrelevant tangents, calling me a denier when I don't deny climate change, etc, etc, etc.<br /><br />Exactly what part of those bits above involve 'rocket science expertise' to comprehend??<br /><br />Regarding "andthentheresphysics", a blog clearly stating it was formerly known as "WottsUpWithThatBlog". The site where I repeatedly challenged proprietor Ben Lawson to provide evidence proving skeptics are crooks clearly says it was run by Ben Lawson. http://wottsupwiththat.com/author/benlawson/ I happened to spot the "andthentheresphysics" blog in August 2013 at the same time as when Ben's blog went seemingly dormant, that's why I connected the two together. Do I really have to hand-walk everyone through that as well? But tell me, was the former version of the ATTP blog a ripoff of Ben Lawson's blog?<br /><br />Regarding "bill" & "Lotharsson" on psychological projection, stop and analyze just how well-organized and well-funded your own side is when it comes to spreading outright misinformation. By way of pathetic example, check out how this fervent believer in an overheated Arctic thinks a pair of lost explorers were so warm that they had to strip down to near nakedness in their travels: http://schatziesearthproject.com/2015/05/04/murdered-by-climate-change-deniers/ Skim on down to the comment section there and compare it to the version I archived here https://archive.is/1BdhJ and you'll see why I speak about constructive criticism comments being deleted. Do I really need to hand-walk you guys through the disinformation she believes on extreme Arctic warming and 'paid industry shills'?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10364598915818543463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21193982838646487062015-05-23T03:16:04.113+10:002015-05-23T03:16:04.113+10:00"With deniers it's always projection.&quo...<i>"With deniers it's always projection."</i><br /><br />My mantra at Deltoid has escaped to the wider world! ;-)Lotharssonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72202469538122819022015-05-22T13:29:48.037+10:002015-05-22T13:29:48.037+10:00My local politician is a dinosaur. :DMy local politician is a dinosaur. :DContrail Chooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27103284156564524972015-05-22T13:07:26.553+10:002015-05-22T13:07:26.553+10:00Try Media Watch, and ABC complaints and ACMA and y...Try <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/tipoffs.htm" rel="nofollow">Media Watch</a>, and <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm" rel="nofollow">ABC complaints</a> and <a href="http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Take-action/Complaints/Broadcast-complaints/broadcasting-complaints" rel="nofollow">ACMA</a> and your local politician.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45533825476953543252015-05-22T12:51:59.018+10:002015-05-22T12:51:59.018+10:00I left a comment on Twitter. Honestly, where can y...I left a comment on Twitter. Honestly, where can you begin with an interview like that? A Gish Gallop like Bernard says.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5965933246993530872015-05-22T12:35:01.424+10:002015-05-22T12:35:01.424+10:00Blimey! That Nigel Lawson interview is bad. Tom Sw...Blimey! That Nigel Lawson interview is bad. Tom Switzer is sounding like a shock-jock. Pity there is no way to make comments.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52477984534059389472015-05-22T12:08:11.361+10:002015-05-22T12:08:11.361+10:00Well I do respect the ABC's right to broadcast...Well I do respect the ABC's right to broadcast stuff that it considers it's viewers will find interesting, in my opinion they are in the entertainment business.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-443602387813117152015-05-22T10:33:39.191+10:002015-05-22T10:33:39.191+10:00With deniers it's always projection. Can you i...With deniers it's always projection. Can you imagine what it must be like to <i>live</i> in a head like this?billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59623038312951385512015-05-22T06:54:26.937+10:002015-05-22T06:54:26.937+10:00This might interest you, numerobis. It's got s...This might interest you, numerobis. It's got some interesting points about filtering etc - and some criticisms:<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/08/technology/facebook-study-disputes-theory-of-political-polarization-among-users.htmlSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40125608874821697822015-05-22T04:54:12.482+10:002015-05-22T04:54:12.482+10:00I thought I'd heard that name before. Tom Swi...I thought I'd heard that name before. Tom Switzer is yet another in the lengthening parade of IPA folks infesting every corner of ABC news and current affairs. He was also once a senior adviser to Brendan Nelson when he was Leader of the Opposition. <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Switzeradeladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36148991448964715782015-05-22T02:08:01.476+10:002015-05-22T02:08:01.476+10:00Thank you for the detailed rebuttal.Thank you for the detailed rebuttal.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6329064761611228012015-05-21T23:54:43.914+10:002015-05-21T23:54:43.914+10:00I thought the third last sentence was wonderful, a...<i>I thought the third last sentence was wonderful, as was the last :)</i><br /><br />The second last sentence is a hoot as well. Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-136518098950135042015-05-21T23:49:29.616+10:002015-05-21T23:49:29.616+10:00There always seem to be these themes that crop up ...<br />There always seem to be these themes that crop up repeatedly in denier contributions here. (Vis a vis Russell Cook's ramblings). <br /><br />The first is the idea that whoever contributes here is a "loyal follower" who blindly accepts everything here and does not read any more widely. <br /><br />Secondly the idea that comments here are automatically barred if they are off message. <br /><br />The first idea is just laughable. The second is strange, because though people are eventually shut down when they get too boring and repetitive, they are always given a hearing. (To the best of my knowledge, anyway. I suppose Sou could be operating a draconian censorship policy that I am unaware of). <br /><br />I can only think it is some form of projection from their own world outlook. Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91860316048279813712015-05-21T21:36:57.150+10:002015-05-21T21:36:57.150+10:00Lest any Australian here is labouring (boom-tish) ...Lest any Australian here is labouring (boom-tish) under the apprehension that the ABC is an objective broadcaster, let me remove all doubt. It seems that the creeping tendrils of political pressure from the conservative federal government have turned the notion of balanced reporting into a caricature of impartiality, with tonight's episode of "<i>Between the Lines</i>" being a puff piece of airtime made available for Nigel Lawson to lie, misrepresent and libel his way through one of the most spectacular Gish gallops I've heard in a long while.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/new-climate-deal-faces-hurdles/6481810" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/new-climate-deal-faces-hurdles/6481810</a><br /><br />The pseudoscience memes came too thick and fast to log whilst I journeyed home, and to add insult to injury the interviewer, Tom Switzer, revealed himself to be a denialist fluffer of almost Boltish proportions.<br /><br />Something is seriously wrong in our national broadcaster.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57911633584721415702015-05-21T21:25:28.537+10:002015-05-21T21:25:28.537+10:00One of my colleagues has pointed out that this non...One of my colleagues has pointed out that this nonsense is basically the Tamil version of Aryanism. The worry here is how easily pay-to-publish outlets can be turned to political (and nutjob) ends.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15397182697726471572015-05-21T20:44:28.198+10:002015-05-21T20:44:28.198+10:00These same two authors have published well over 50...These same two authors have published well over 50 similar stories (it's not science, that's for sure), sometimes with several published in the same journal. And since those are Open Access journals, they will even have paid to get it published.<br /><br />My favorite title is this one:<br />"Barack Obama is Tamil based Indian?"<br />http://www.ijser.org/researchpaper%5CBARACK-OBAMA-IS-TAMIL-BASED-INDIAN.pdf<br /><br />It is really odd. It looks like one big joke, with many of the papers having the exact same 23 references, and many pictures the same (just different words in there). But at the same time, as I noted, they will have paid for this to get published, spending likely several thousands of dollars.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31781187770178131212015-05-21T20:09:25.517+10:002015-05-21T20:09:25.517+10:00Hell's teeth gott im himmel oh my giddy aunt ....Hell's teeth gott im himmel oh my giddy aunt ... the references! <br /><br />5) M. Arulmani and V. R. Hemalatha, “First Music and First Music Alphabet,” Annai Publications, Cholapuram, 2012.<br />6) King James Version, “Holy Bible,” 2004.<br /><br />The keywords!<br />Akkie Code, Crop Circles, True Transformation, Strategy, Etymology of Word Manage, Manuscript, Philosophy of Theory, Philosophy of Victory, Bankruptcy, Logos, Amulet. CROP CIRCLES??!!? <br /><br />I honestly tried to read the abstract - never was text so well described. Word salad on steroids. adeladynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9588454060835726492015-05-20T22:31:18.274+10:002015-05-20T22:31:18.274+10:00There's nothing to "buy." Neither th...There's nothing to "buy." Neither the Daily Kos nor any other private publisher has any obligation whatsoever to publish everything submitted to it. This is editorial control. Editorial control is not censorship, nor it is a freedom of speech issue. Period.chrisd3noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72356270984540951192015-05-20T21:59:50.292+10:002015-05-20T21:59:50.292+10:00Fair play to John Mashey for dredging that one up ...Fair play to John Mashey for dredging that one up from the depths. In my humble estimation, that even beats the dog astrology paper 'gold standard' for pseudoscience attempting to imitate science.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11225272295394363902015-05-20T21:15:20.667+10:002015-05-20T21:15:20.667+10:00It can't possibly be for real, can it?It can't possibly be for real, can it?Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.com