tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post948089201727095921..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: The Evangelical Science Denier and the Alarmist Fundamentalist Religious Cult: The Cornwall AllianceSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27573294757372947492016-04-12T04:51:57.932+10:002016-04-12T04:51:57.932+10:00A few years ago I read an interesting article disc...A few years ago I read an interesting article discussing the interpretation of the first chapter of Genesis. Evidently we are not given "dominion" over the earth and all its, but rather "stewardship of" or "custody of."<br />Puts some religious dogma in another light...Mike Risknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79171769837275328862013-10-24T00:45:41.249+11:002013-10-24T00:45:41.249+11:00Beisner seems to be yet another "policy-prene...Beisner seems to be yet another "policy-preneur" who gets money from the usual mesh of foundations, and does advocacy while being tax-exempt.<br /><br />Unlike Canada, where there's one big thinktnak (Fraser) and a few small ones, the US has a giant order of small-to-medium-sized ones (and a few large ones) and they compete for funding, so that each year, they tell their funders what good stuff they've done.<br /><br />There are quite a few that are in effect 1-2 real people, maybe some clerical/web support, a board of friends/relatives (i.e., last I looked, the board for Center for Study of Carbon dioxide and Global Change = Idso family). Then you get a bunch of advisors attached to many of these.<br /><br />An advantage of this scheme is that while they compete for $, they also cooperate, and it looks more impressive to claim support from 20 different groups, rather than just a few. Also, each organization can target a different group if it wants, even if many of the advisors are the same.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2158602173307531002013-10-23T16:43:11.036+11:002013-10-23T16:43:11.036+11:00Thanks, John. Interesting to see the linkages. N...Thanks, John. Interesting to see the linkages. Not much religion and little science from the look of it. It's all show. I've no doubt that the members of the Alliance have strong beliefs, just maybe not all the same beliefs or driving force. Some would follow a religion of sorts (though that sounds a bit wobbly) and some would be less religious than ideological and see the Alliance as a useful vehicle for their purpose.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8079688557883871042013-10-23T16:35:42.420+11:002013-10-23T16:35:42.420+11:00My numbers for DONORS (from late 2012) say:
2008: ...My numbers for DONORS (from late 2012) say:<br />2008: $80K<br />2009: $258K<br />2010: $340K (of $432K total grants)John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55436603173197608502013-10-23T16:18:07.210+11:002013-10-23T16:18:07.210+11:00'John, are you saying that Donors Trust funds ...'John, are you saying that Donors Trust funds James Partnership aka Calvin Beissner, who in turn funds the Cornwall Alliance?'<br /><br />More-or-less. It is unclear what James Partnership (== Beisner, really) really does other than Cornwall, and maybe funnel money to make videos. See http://www.desmogblog.com/calvin-beisner<br /> From this, you may be able to ascertain the category in which he fits, starting with his PhD in Scottish History, a fine topic, but not exactly one to provide credibility on climate change.John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32694848262911464112013-10-22T00:54:07.434+11:002013-10-22T00:54:07.434+11:00Yes, I'd like that, Bernard. Thanks. See bott...Yes, I'd like that, Bernard. Thanks. See bottom of the "About" page.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88282679531610049632013-10-21T23:11:16.863+11:002013-10-21T23:11:16.863+11:00Hi Sou.
I apologise in advance for straying off-t...Hi Sou.<br /><br />I apologise in advance for straying off-topic, but I thought that you'd be interested in this commentary from Piers Akerman:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/charade-of-unity-is-lost-in-shadows/story-fni0cwl5-1226742970507" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/charade-of-unity-is-lost-in-shadows/story-fni0cwl5-1226742970507</a><br /><br />The thing is, not only is the piece an atrocious political commentary, but the online version has been quietly altered from the piece printed in the Mercury today. In the print version Akerman refers to the "shrewish and undiplomatic <i>handbag hit squad member</i> Tanya Plibersek". It seems that sexism is still alive and well in the old codger's head.<br /><br />If you're interested I'm happy to scan the page so that you can see it in all its 'glory'.<br /><br /><br />Bernard J.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75815573128554855022013-10-21T17:12:15.655+11:002013-10-21T17:12:15.655+11:00Here's the link that I forgot to add where the...Here's the link that I forgot to add where the Vatican seminar slammed the contribution from the fake sceptics and Calvin Beissner.<br /><br />http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/pontifical_council_on_climate_change.htmSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2668697694010003812013-10-21T17:10:47.142+11:002013-10-21T17:10:47.142+11:00John, are you saying that Donors Trust funds James...John, are you saying that Donors Trust funds James Partnership aka Calvin Beissner, who in turn funds the Cornwall Alliance?<br /><br />Calvin Beissner got short shrift at an ecumenical meeting at the Vatican back in April 2007:<br /><br /><i>Dr. Calvin Beissner (US) argued along the lines of Dr. Idso and Prof. Singer but framed his contribution theologically. His approach was strongly questioned by theologians around the table for an insufficient exegetical and systematic basis.<br /><br />The quality of theological and ecumenical presentations that were presented by Bishop Dr. Bernd Uhl (Germany), Lic. Elias Abramides (Argentina-speaking for the World Council of Churches), the Anglican Bishop of Liverpool, James Jones (England), and the Australian Bishop Christopher Toohey rescued the conference that was in clear danger of being side tracked by the debate on climate science as promoted by climate skeptics.</i><br /><br />They aren't getting anywhere with their pseudo-science and their religion is considered shonky as well. Does that make it pseudo-religion?<br /><br />PS I had to look up exegetical. This from Wikipedia:<br /><br /><i>Exegesis (from the Greek ἐξήγησις from ἐξηγεῖσθαι 'to lead out') is a critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially a religious text. Traditionally the term was used primarily for exegesis of the Bible; however, in contemporary usage it has broadened to mean a critical explanation of any text, and the term "biblical exegesis" is used for greater specificity.</i><br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exegesis<br /><br />PS I want to make it clear that I support freedom of religion. There's a difference between freedom to practice religion and creating a pseudo-religious facade to push an anti-science agenda aimed at preventing mitigation of global warming.<br />Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14567164096913921452013-10-21T15:34:04.874+11:002013-10-21T15:34:04.874+11:00Follow the money.
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/...Follow the money.<br />http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/fakery2.tables.xls<br /> is the 480-recipient spreadsheet for DONORS, the money anonymizer for Kochs and allies. Line 93 is James Partnership. <br /><br />http://greenpeaceblogs.org/2012/10/25/meet-the-network-hiding-the-koch-money-donors-trust-and-donors-capital-fund/#more-11713notes connection between DONORS, James Partnership ... and Cornwall Alliance.<br /><br />http://www.jamespartnership.org/ has:<br />' TJP is initially focusing on these principal projects: The Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, Churches and Villages Together, and 1Voice Films .'<br /><br />http://207.153.189.83/EINS/262521115/262521115_2009_068D5EB2.PDF<br />IRS Form 990, 2009, p.7shows that Calvin Beissner gets paid, but unclear where the money really goes.<br /><br />This is located at 9302-C Old Keene Mill Road<br />Burke, VA 22015<br /><br />"http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/10/16/206882/glenn-beck-cornwall-alliance-exxonmobil-climate-change Address shows up often.<br /><br />Cornwall Alliances' purpose:"Q33 - INTERNATIONAL RELIEF" right.<br /><br />My take: yet another front group, paying Cal Beissner $9()K+/year, not as high as Marc Morano, but still not bad.<br /><br />If people want to see an example of the other side, try <a http://www.interfaithpowerandlight.org nterfaith Power and Light.<br />Sally Bingham is really OK. Seehttp://www.interfaithpowerandlight.org/2010/10/blessing-of-solar-panels a few miles away in my town.<br /><br />John Masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76779427419715076962013-10-21T12:16:49.396+11:002013-10-21T12:16:49.396+11:00Thank you Sou, here's my introduction:
Here i...Thank you Sou, here's my introduction:<br /><br />Here is an article written by Sou from HotWhopper.com - idea's worth sharing. Food for thought.<br /><br />What can be said of people who believe they actually understand God's mind? It's one thing to personally believe whatever vainglorious thing one wants - but expecting the rest of the world to fall in-line and to reject rational knowledge and observation based learning and trusting qualified experts who have spent entire lives committed to understanding their specialities. <br />No thanks.<br /><br />Sad thing is, these sorts of faith-based dogmatists are one of the core reasons climate science, Earth observations and attempts at Earth stewardship have been so successfully rejected these past decades. <br /><br />How does one learn or change when disbelieve in observation based science is an article of Faith?<br /><br />http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-cornwall-alliance-evangelical.html<br />citizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-80140985424887520822013-10-21T11:49:26.777+11:002013-10-21T11:49:26.777+11:00It actually makes sense that god didn't make t...It actually makes sense that god didn't make the economy "in a robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting product of God’s wise design way".<br /><br />Think about it. Apparently we humans are god's perfect creation made in his image, right? That is why we breath in and out of the same hole we use to eat. It's also why we can't digest cellulose, the most prominent food source on god's perfect creation and why our playgrounds are so close to and part of the sewage plant. Intelligent design indeed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62631913308938478332013-10-21T01:22:22.386+11:002013-10-21T01:22:22.386+11:00I don't mind at all, Peter. Feel free.I don't mind at all, Peter. Feel free.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21408862071761031022013-10-21T01:02:53.144+11:002013-10-21T01:02:53.144+11:00Sou, interesting and timely article - mind if I r...Sou, interesting and timely article - mind if I repost it at WhatsUpWithThatWatts?<br /><br />Petercitizenschallengehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04559990934735912814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28995397536215714312013-10-21T00:22:59.239+11:002013-10-21T00:22:59.239+11:00The government is more powerful than their God? Bl...The government is more powerful than their God? Blasphemy! Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-63512011508906144322013-10-20T12:20:26.727+11:002013-10-20T12:20:26.727+11:00Their god did make the economy that way - when thi...Their god did make the economy that way - when things go wrong it's because gumment interfered, with its paper currency and "money of account". The only holy money is gold and silver (which naturally justifies their worship of them).<br /><br />These people make me sick too. Keep telling it like it is, Sou, and many thanks for the good work.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18400079980098664122013-10-20T09:21:25.399+11:002013-10-20T09:21:25.399+11:00Couple of posts ago I have spoken, amen - it is kn...Couple of posts ago I have spoken, amen - it is known what my wish is: confrontation.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-85173087827755215452013-10-20T09:17:25.934+11:002013-10-20T09:17:25.934+11:00You wonder why God did not make the economy "...You wonder why God did not make the economy "in a robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting product of God’s wise design way", so that they do not have to worry about their alarmist economical "predictions".<br /><br />It has nothing to do with God. I did some research some time ago and the <a href="http://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2013/05/christians-on-climate-consensus.html" rel="nofollow">overwhelming majority of churches cares about the climate and calls to protect it</a>. Either the Cornwall cult is right or most of the Christian world does not understand Gods words. Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9844294100703264142013-10-20T06:32:45.694+11:002013-10-20T06:32:45.694+11:00I have always been confused by the construct of a ...I have always been confused by the construct of a monotheistic deity being male. <br />Maleness is half of a sexual partnership and needs the female half. So is their god not unique?<br />A monotheistic god can only be a non-sexual being - an "it".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25590619157850099492013-10-20T06:21:06.591+11:002013-10-20T06:21:06.591+11:00From the Evangelical Declaration, A Call To Action...From the Evangelical Declaration, A Call To Action point 2 says<br /><br />We call on Christian leaders to understand the truth about climate change and embrace Biblical thinking, sound science, and careful economic analysis in creation stewardship.<br /><br />As with these things, which bit of Biblical thinking, Old or New Testament God, did they have in mind? And how on Earth they think sound science and Biblical thinking can go together, I have no idea. The Bible gets rather unscientific on the first page, has two creation myths in the first two chapters and, so far as I can tell, is pretty poor on the classification of animals thereafter. Not a textbook for scientific thinking.<br /><br />By the way, I counted 4 women out of 66 on the notable signatories page of the Cornwall Alliance's drivel. That's 6%. Perhaps the extra X chromosome makes for easier detection of tosh like the Cornwall Alliance.<br />Catmandonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72601600783820989242013-10-20T06:05:56.305+11:002013-10-20T06:05:56.305+11:00"They act as stewards under God to cultivate ..."They act as stewards under God to cultivate and guard what they subdue and rule."<br /><br />Oh, the hypocrisy as the evangelical wing of the climate science denier army decides to do precisely the opposite of guarding what they, ahem, subdue and rule. Chucking away the chance to do anything about climate change is criminal.....Oh, I've just been handed a piece of paper that says God is doing the guarding anyway so man (forget woman, this is all about man) can get on with the more exciting bits of subduing and multiplying.<br /><br />What a crock of crackpot theology.Catmandonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62475949684321229702013-10-20T05:56:08.243+11:002013-10-20T05:56:08.243+11:00And although I started writing a diatribe - feelin...And although I started writing a diatribe - feeling sending fire and brimstone upon their vacant heads - I felt that you captured my feelings succinctly DrTskoulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02174124206567142454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12778776296944634432013-10-20T05:53:56.741+11:002013-10-20T05:53:56.741+11:00Thank you!! I feel exactly the same way. I have ...Thank you!! I feel exactly the same way. I have absolutely no patience for that type of beliefs!! DrTskoulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02174124206567142454noreply@blogger.com