tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post8999096786565175064..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Politics and financial turmoilSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger209125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62477171255548344652016-07-06T07:26:25.338+10:002016-07-06T07:26:25.338+10:00Mmmm, apparently overweight donkeys too
https://o...Mmmm, apparently overweight donkeys too<br /><br />https://ormosi.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/the-weight-of-brexit-obese-adults-lead-the-way-out-of-europe/Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24039226117702037282016-07-06T05:41:20.539+10:002016-07-06T05:41:20.539+10:00More like donkeys led by donkeys. The UK public h...More like donkeys led by donkeys. The UK public have got the politicians they deserve.<br /><br />Our latest thing: we now are <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/04/growth-in-artificial-lawns-poses-threat-to-british-wildlife-conservationists-warn" rel="nofollow">using astroturf in our gardens</a> because mowing a lawn is too much effort for Mr & Mrs Couch Potato.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22981357351503515102016-07-06T03:35:49.837+10:002016-07-06T03:35:49.837+10:00A candid assessment of the runners and riders
ht...A candid assessment of the runners and riders <br /><br />http://news.sky.com/story/1721982/watch-ken-clarke-ridicules-tory-candidatesTadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-88632287426845893662016-07-06T01:19:26.656+10:002016-07-06T01:19:26.656+10:00Nice one Bill, hence the rats leaving the sinking ...Nice one Bill, hence the rats leaving the sinking ship.<br /><br />The <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/michael-gove-conservative-leader-next-prime-minister-sarah-vine-rupert-murdoch-daily-mail-personal-a7111656.html" rel="nofollow">influence of The Goves</a> through the media should not be overlooked.Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31550031786556648642016-07-05T20:27:03.075+10:002016-07-05T20:27:03.075+10:00Thank you bill, most informative.
:)Thank you bill, most informative.<br /><br />:)Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52970461477562584112016-07-05T14:39:19.657+10:002016-07-05T14:39:19.657+10:00I'm going to have to go back and transcribe th...I'm going to have to go back and transcribe those Scots tweets. Wonderful!Susan Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935228911713362040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86508221181274779972016-07-05T12:39:23.926+10:002016-07-05T12:39:23.926+10:00Now you can see it for yourself - the Brexit Plan!...Now you can see it for yourself - <a href="http://thebrexitplan.com/" rel="nofollow">the Brexit Plan</a>!billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-58964861953894096262016-07-05T03:54:23.642+10:002016-07-05T03:54:23.642+10:00Professor Michael Dougan of Liverpool University e...Professor Michael Dougan of Liverpool University explained before the vote, to the chagrin of many, how the Leave campaign had been founded on 'Industrial Scale Dishonesty'. That video is still available but Dougan has since responded to his critics, some vitriolic, in a post vote presentation:<br /><br />Suffer an article from The Independent, I could have dropped in a Facebook link to Liverpool University's page more easily, sorry for the adds:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-michael-dougan-leave-campaign-latest-a7115316.html" rel="nofollow">Brexit campaign was 'criminally irresponsible', says legal academic</a><br /><br />Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68232805413525712432016-07-04T20:12:37.567+10:002016-07-04T20:12:37.567+10:00There is a pattern there, and it is clearly not a ...There is a pattern there, and it is clearly not a pattern of old Britons vs young Britons. There is absolutely nothing of this in this pattern. It a broader pattern across many countries.<br /><br />Nevertheless, the generational gap is great of course. As a side point, process of the scapegoat is something very precise. It is used and abused actually, but scapegoating is not breaking the plate and crying: “not me, it's bro!”. This is only a lie with the hope to go trough unchallenged. Scapegoat is a narrative build by a social community to expel the violence. And it is really a far more complex process than just not putting his ball on the table and trying instead to put a lie.<br /><br />It will not be entirely to the point, but nevertheless to finish I must said UK is not looking ready to go through this referendum. Even though it is instrumentalized, divide is great in UK between old and young and it is real. But there is less and less old white rich people, and more and more old, nostalgic people, trying to make ends meet. Young people accusing old people of stealing their generation is a very badly informed statement. Daily life is harsh for about every one, and campaigns of Wales and England voted against EU because old people here are also struggling.<br />And it was common to compare life expectancy with the pro Eu vote, but this is totally crazy and it no better than the worst arguments brought by the leave camp. Some even said younger people should have a double count, which is pure madness.<br />There is many process of scapegoating trying to take place currently, and rejecting the fault on old people is probably one of them, as it is the tentative to reject the fault on strangers. And, to finish, it is not a political comment, only obviousness here. If UK wants to avoid the crash and explosion, building scapegoat will do absolutely no help, no matter it is about old or stranger.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598136175803660988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8784883893565116542016-07-04T20:08:37.810+10:002016-07-04T20:08:37.810+10:00for a “fuck off you bloody pricks”
http://www.mor...for a “fuck off you bloody pricks”<br /><br />http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-82ab-Blaming-the-old-for-the-EU-referendum-result-is-not-only-wrong,-its-offensive#.V3fi1qIulrn<br />http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/how-did-uk-end-up-voting-leave-european-union<br /><br />The remain vote was really only an appeal to look at the statu quo, at the current situation, which is way beyond bad. Rejection of EU, despite lies and misinformation, was really more a vote of hope, trying something else than keeping the murky, current situation:<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/10/cameron-gambles-on-the-status-quo-in-eu-referendum<br /><br />And pools in UK tend to often underestimate the share of the conservative vote this years. It was also true for the 2015 general election for example. People thinks they have to say in public what they are supposed to say, and so not speak about immigration, conservative values, etc.. Here, specifically for this referendum, ok, I don't have rigorous proof; but nonetheless for the pools it was probably the same story. People think they can say what they think only in the secret vote. And if you don't believe a word of what I said, I will retrieve the newspaper article speaking of this after the 2015 general elections, but I don't have it under the hand currently. Euroscepticism is very mainstream in UK (and elsewhere...) but for the pools about referendum people probably prefered to give the “good” answer, to remain in EU. The magnitude of the eurosceptism in UK was probably only apparent after a secret vote.<br /><br />Of course for old people, the Some probably have still in mind the magnificence of the British empire; while younger peoples borned after the cold war and have only known the EU.<br /><br />Perhaps there is still a significant portion of the population, and especially among the young, who still have faith into the EU. But frustration and discontentment is growing everywhere, even among the young people, and the “fuck you EU” is the logical consequence of this.<br /><br />And this is not a strong uk specifity. Eurosceptism is stronger in UK than elsewhere probably but every where EU skepticism progressed and this movement bring UK to the tipping point due to a higher baseline but is not really UK specifics. In France, politicians are speaking NOT bringing a referendum about EU, knowing it will be an epic fail for example. But in Hungary it is already to late, the referendum is coming, and it can possibly lead to a second seism.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eez9tONIbwo<br />http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681468/EU-referendum-Brexit-The-Netherlands-Britain-Europe-reform<br />http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-hungary-eu-minister-idUKKCN0ZG1Z5<br />http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/685360/Hungary-PM-Viktor-Orban-migration-referendum-after-Brexit-EU-quotas<br /><br />If there is so many countries in EU which are headwind against EU, it probably implies that old fucking Britons are probably not alone in their delirium.<br /><br />And in other news, political instability is growing also in Östereich:<br /><br />http://www.milenio.com/internacional/Austria-anulan-eleccion-presidente_0_766723323.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598136175803660988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-37424588962513978652016-07-04T20:07:39.353+10:002016-07-04T20:07:39.353+10:00[…]
The young people talking about the referendum ...[…]<br />The young people talking about the referendum on Facebook, Twitter, and at protests are the engaged ones -- they're the ones who got out and voted. Among my friends and acquaintances, those who don't vote don't talk about the referendum on social media. The judgment of youth engagement based on social media and protest attendance -- suggesting that a lot are engaged but didn't vote -- is a distortion.”<br /><br />Youth don't see the point to go vote. They care about their growing daily life problems, not about a political process which is broken:<br /><br />http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36324560<br /><br />Again the fact is that the economic and social situation is bad for about every own, and speaking of keeping the statu quo which brought all this misery is really not appealing... Underemployement, senior working, etc... show how bad the situation is:<br /><br />http://www.lep.co.uk/news/business/we-want-to-earn-a-proper-living-give-us-more-work-1-7975282<br />https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/22/youth-unemployment-jobless-figure<br />http://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/money/work/careers/working-after-the-age-of-65<br />http://www.bbc.com/news/business-24629576<br /><br />And the youth is badly hurt. The riots of 2011or of 2015 are a good illustration of this lingering social stress. Strong inequalities, long boring day, and so on, explain this riots:<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2057492/England-riots-2011-chance-young-people-free-stuff.html<br />https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/aug/16/london-riots-young-people-voice-anger<br />https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/10/2011-riots-england-uprising-working-class<br />http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/616975/London-riots-student-protest-Metropolitan-Police-DLR<br /><br />No future, no hope, daily life being a struggle. And so, if youth does not hope in the future, is not able to see farther than the daily life horizon, how can they think about voting for what is tagged as the defining issue of this generation??? Of course people are not going to vote if they fell are not able to project into the future, if they are choked in daily live problems.<br /><br />http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-14462688<br />http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/07/don-t-blame-young-people-not-voting-blame-system-fails-them<br /><br />“The Iraq war, tuition fees and austerity have really shrunk the horizons of what young people consider possible. They are just trying to get by, to play by the rules and navigate increased risk in transition to adulthood.” <br /><br />And this is backed by different studies:<br /><br />http://ukandeu.ac.uk/uk-young-voters-are-not-anti-eu-but-just-dont-understand-it/<br /><br />The rejection of the EU is explicit in the vote from the old people, while young people are not going to vote for a statu quo in which they are struggling, but in the end the result is the same. And so UK optAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598136175803660988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24558708974643001602016-07-04T20:07:16.014+10:002016-07-04T20:07:16.014+10:00Sorry for being late, I was not aware of your answ...Sorry for being late, I was not aware of your answer. Still, I don't understand your argument about secret votes. It comes out of the blue. I am not speaking about a mathematical demonstration of the %age of young or old people voting, not voting; or something else. It is only about the fact that there is a broad agreement between younger area, low turnout, and support for the "remain in the EU":<br /><br />http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ef0745e0-3d2c-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a.html<br />https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/26/analysis-dont-get-too-comfortable-out-campaign-has/<br />http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36619342<br /><br />But it is not a demonstration, it only illustrate the fact that euroscepticism is really mainstream, even for the younger people. The difference is in the expression of this opinion, younger people being more disinterested and not caring a lot about the vote. Of course old people have lived through Wold War and they have known something else. Some probably have still in mind the magnificence of the British empire. Younger peoples were borned after the cold war and have only known the EU. And the gap between the generations is real from this point of view yes. Youth is probably not actively wanting to leave EU, but still are abandoning the vote, which in the end means letting the older to decide. Young people in their vast majority don't care about voting and it's nothing new. And so, the broad agreement previously mentioned. It was already apparent before the referendum, when the news paper and politicians tried to mobilize the pro EU electorate -unsuccessfully...-.<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3521225/Apathy-young-voters-hand-EU-referendum-Brexit-polls-just-HALF-plan-vote-all.html<br />http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/young-people-shouldn-t-leave-brexit-for-the-old-to-decide-our-future-in-the-referendum-a7072326.html<br />http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/article1684414.ece<br />http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36403826<br /><br />Even among educated students, there is a growing disinterest into the national conversation and the political process:<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/jun/07/eu-referendum-why-the-young-wont-vote-and-dont-care-anyway<br /><br />Low turnout among young people is a logical consequence of this. If it was other way round, with signs of a strong engagement from the young, yes it will need hard figures, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. But here, it fits a pattern, it was well anticipated before the vote, so why doubting it?<br /> <br />http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/30/opinions/brexit-youth-vote-abby-tomlinson/<br /><br />“Many of my friends who couldn't be persuaded to vote in the referendum didn't think politicians or politics in general did anything for them and they didn't see why the EU referendum would be any different. When there is a political atmosphere that mostly ignores the young, they mistakenly believe that the result will ignore them too. <br />If we judged youth engagement by social media posts instead of voter turnout, it would seem young people were interested in the referendum. Facebook and Twitter were rife with young people engaging with the referendum, and -- on Friday -- expressing their anger with the result. Many young people felt betrayed -- not, interestingly, by the other young people that didn't vote, but by the country's older generations.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05598136175803660988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91765124716467151752016-07-02T07:10:35.839+10:002016-07-02T07:10:35.839+10:00There was a deliberate attempt to confuse the issu...There was a deliberate attempt to confuse the issue on immigration by confusing immigrants and refugees. The EU is responsible for freedom of movement of EU citizens. The 1951 UN convention on the treatment of refugees handles refugees. So leaving the EU will not solve the refugee issue.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784872872859319666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-12322336117593727602016-07-02T06:49:44.250+10:002016-07-02T06:49:44.250+10:00How do you know "... young people did not go ...How do you know "... young people did not go to vote and defend the remain camp as did older people for the leave camp."? What is the source of your data? As I said above the vote is secret, so there are no official figures on who voted and how old they are. All we know is the percentage who voted in each polling station's area. Prior to the vote there were opinion polls, but as they got the result wrong they don't seem relative enough to base claims upon.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784872872859319666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90432921857800314002016-07-01T05:28:32.522+10:002016-07-01T05:28:32.522+10:00To slight surprise in some quarters (including thi...To slight surprise in some quarters (including this one), the UK has just <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36673894" rel="nofollow">agreed the Fifth Carbon Budget</a> which will cut carbon emissions by 57% by 2032 relative to 1990 levels. <br /><br />One in the eye for the GWPF, which whined (source: BBC News):<br /><br /><i>The climate sceptic group Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF) complained the decision should have been left to the next government. A statement said: "The government has behaved unreasonably, and should have delayed approval of the Budget and reassessed the impacts in the light of the far-reaching changes flowing from the referendum result."</i><br /><br />The CCC has warned that policies will need improving if the 5th CB is going to be met. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11730232195147257682016-07-01T02:03:58.432+10:002016-07-01T02:03:58.432+10:00I see, by G search on 'GWPF Brexit' that t...I see, by G search on 'GWPF Brexit' that the GWPF have tossed in a strawman:<br /><br />"Some people have cast the entire Brexit campaign as a plot by the London-based Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)."<br /><br />which was top of list.Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73377635397910705822016-07-01T01:35:44.850+10:002016-07-01T01:35:44.850+10:00Sou:
"Another thing to think about is that t...Sou:<br /><br />"Another thing to think about is that the pressure to accept new people is only going to increase over time, because of civil unrest and climate change (which are related to a great extent). This issue isn't going to go away."<br /><br />And don't I know it. I have been locked in verbal combat with some on FB (one time colleagues in the RN's FAA) for the last few days, hence my not following up on an earlier post) there is just so much contra-factual information to debunk going around.<br /><br />It has become clear that my protagonists get their information through a Murdoch type filter, already suspected but all but confirmed when one of them writes:<br /><br />"We haven't helped Climate Change, but we have not caused it either. The Planet has warmed up and cooled down for Millions of years. The Former Head of Greenpeace, an expert on Climate Change said many claims about damage we cause were over stated, mainly to allow businesses to profit from NEW power source & storage technologies!"<br /><br />And I got into such argument by promoting this following thought of yours coupled with wider environmental concerns.<br /><br />"It's time to think about the world as a whole, not just individual countries."<br /><br /><br />I put information in font of their eyes and get this in return and indirectly referred to at that, "I have enjoyed reading the plonkers posts...' and 'Who is this dick'.<br /><br />Clearly the drip feed of disinformation has seeped to deeply into consciousness of some for the situation to be retrieved other than by the slow passing of an infected generation.<br /><br />The problem with high population density in the UK has been exacerbated by poor, even corrupt, planning regimes.<br /><br />I was in conversation with a builder only yesterday who is giving us a quote for some replacement roofing work — started leaking after the recent deluges — and he mentioned a development at Lower Farringdon where local people were ignored about the dangers of building on a flood plain.<br /><br />http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/flood-plain-concerns-resurface-as-demolition-looms/126047.article<br /><br />Replacement houses were built at higher level to replace those lower than an adjacent road which often became flooded. Some ignorance on the part of the planning authority there!<br /><br />There has also been a tendency to build houses for the wealthier, bigger margins I guess, when there is a desperate need for affordable housing. Also housing developments have lacked provision of amenities such as shops, schools, post offices, doctors surgeries and recreation. Also poor transport links. Malnutrition from of an inability to get the foods for a balanced diet is a growing problem.<br /><br />The lack of affordable houses has lead to an increase in buy-to-let with city property magnates developing property portfolios in the provinces. Boris Johnson has something of a mixed record there WRT his time as London Mayor.<br /><br />I have been so thoroughly sickened by the attitude of some who say such as — 'you lost get over it', clearly what we have lost has not sunk in yet it is not a simple as that, I feel cheated by liars.<br /><br />Would the Australian Air Force like a new insignia created to put on their aircraft if Scotland walks the walk, and maybe even Northern Ireland too. Little wonder HM is looking a bit glum about things, I bet she really loves Farage, he who would have pushed for a 2nd referendum in the case of a 52/48 split to remain — he isn't crowing about that now is he.<br />Lionel Ahttp://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65407748633724419692016-06-30T02:44:31.567+10:002016-06-30T02:44:31.567+10:00Sou
BBD, population density may have relevance to...Sou<br /><br /><i>BBD, population density may have relevance to overall numbers, but not so much in the context the trend of population increase and infrastructure building, which is what Mike McLory was talking about. </i><br /><br />The UK hasn't spent enough on infrastructure - roads, housing, GP services, education, emergency service provision, hospitals, energy - you name it - for several decades now.BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43589161765569714452016-06-30T01:56:49.013+10:002016-06-30T01:56:49.013+10:00BBD, population density may have relevance to over...BBD, population density may have relevance to overall numbers, but not so much in the context the trend of population increase and infrastructure building, which is what Mike McLory was talking about. <br /><br />As an aside, I cannot imagine Australia having the population of the UK, let alone the population density. Most of the country is inhospitable, being desert. Australia is the driest continent after Antarctica.<br /><br />Determining the carrying capacity of Australia has occupied some of the best minds we have, and there's no easy answer from what I've seen.<br /><br />From <a href="http://ecosmagazine.com/?act=view_file&file_id=EC04p16.pdf" rel="nofollow">the 1970s</a><br /><br />From the 1990s - <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=reports/1994/1994_pp457.pdf" rel="nofollow">a parliamentary report</a>.<br /><br />More recently - <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/populationpuzzle/environment.swf" rel="nofollow">from the ABC</a>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27480484223499231292016-06-30T00:55:28.798+10:002016-06-30T00:55:28.798+10:00And the latest from the GWPF confirms what we alre...And the latest from the GWPF confirms what we already knew <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36654281" rel="nofollow">(source: BBC News)</a><br /><br /><i>But the Global Warming Policy Forum – influential amongst Conservative MPs – warned in its latest policy note: “Since the UK will need to sail fast and free post-Brexit, the economic engine must be fuelled as cheaply and efficiently as possible, a requirement that is incompatible with currently applicable EU (climate) regulation, and much of it will consequently have to be rejected.”<br /><br />It pointed to 230 rules affecting energy supply and called for the speedy rejection of three major planks of EU climate policy: the emissions trading scheme, which increases the cost of pollution for big business; the Industrial Emissions Directive which cuts pollution from power plant; and the Renewables Directive, which requires the UK to obtain 15% of total energy from renewables by 2020.</i><br /><br />55 Tufton St casts a long shadow into the future. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71207096036228284912016-06-30T00:25:41.374+10:002016-06-30T00:25:41.374+10:00Sou
I agree that there are a huge number of peopl...Sou<br /><br /><i>I agree that there are a huge number of people living in the UK. However between 1994 and 2014 the UK population rose by 12%. Australia's rose by 31%. From this website.</i><br /><br />From the same link, let's compare the far more relevant metric of <a href="https://www.google.com.au/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:GBR:AUS:FRA&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=en_pop_dnst&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:GBR:AUS:CAN:USA&ifdim=region&tstart=772812000000&tend=1403964000000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false" rel="nofollow">population <b>density</b></a> in the UK and Australia. I think this is at least a partial key to the popular unease that has been exploited by populist politicians. <br /><br />As Marco correctly points out, the EU is not the major source of immigration and scapegoating it is dishonest. BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8167287324064814252016-06-29T23:25:34.859+10:002016-06-29T23:25:34.859+10:00Mike, as far as I know, the net immigration from n...Mike, as far as I know, the net immigration from non-EU countries is *still* higher than that from EU countries, and has been so since at least 1993. That non-EU immigration has very little to do with any lack of control on immigration as a result of the UK being part of the EU. That immigration includes quite a few from your former colonies, like India, Pakistan and Nigeria. There's nothing in any EU rules or guidelines that prevents the UK to minimise immigration from those countries.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-86349485289956291062016-06-29T23:16:21.357+10:002016-06-29T23:16:21.357+10:00From other countries, from 1994 to 2014, the popul...From other countries, from 1994 to 2014, the populations of:<br /><br />Sub-Saharan Africa increased by 71.5%<br />Pakistan increased by 54.8%<br />India increased by 37.4%<br />China increased by 14.6%Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15569565275197212762016-06-29T23:06:49.053+10:002016-06-29T23:06:49.053+10:00For comparison, from 1994 to 2014, the populations...For comparison, from 1994 to 2014, the populations of:<br />Australia increased by 31%<br />USA increased by 21%<br />Canada increased by 22%<br />France increased by 12%<br />UK increased by 12%<br />Netherlands increased by 10%<br />Germany decreased by 0.5%<br /><br />Again from <a href="https://www.google.com.au/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:GBR:AUS:FRA&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=sp_pop_totl&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:GBR:AUS:FRA&ifdim=region&tstart=772812000000&tend=1403964000000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false" rel="nofollow">this website</a>.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1808719544355625962016-06-29T22:48:39.716+10:002016-06-29T22:48:39.716+10:00I agree that there are a huge number of people liv...I agree that there are a huge number of people living in the UK. However between 1994 and 2014 the UK population rose by 12%. Australia's rose by 31%. From <a href="https://www.google.com.au/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:GBR:AUS:FRA&hl=en&dl=en#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=sp_pop_totl&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:GBR:AUS:FRA&ifdim=region&tstart=772812000000&tend=1403964000000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false" rel="nofollow">this website</a>.<br /><br />What infrastructure is lacking? Housing? Schools? Transport? Roads? Communication?<br /><br />Interestingly, from the link in Mike McLory's comment, from 1996 onwards, the top country for emigration from the UK has consistently been Australia.<br /><br />Another thing to think about is that the pressure to accept new people is only going to increase over time, because of civil unrest and climate change (which are related to a great extent). This issue isn't going to go away.<br /><br />It's time to think about the world as a whole, not just individual countries. How is the world going to address this issue over time? Getting divorced from other countries isn't going to solve anything. The only way to address it successfully is for nations to work together cooperatively. Otherwise our world will not do so well.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.com