tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post8822523087371089134..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: WUWT shows that 99.9% of recent papers don't dispute mainstream climate scienceSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73614841136137648772017-08-18T15:38:40.641+10:002017-08-18T15:38:40.641+10:00Thanks, Qwertie. I'll remember that in future ...Thanks, Qwertie. I'll remember that in future :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25956574729357433452017-08-18T13:31:43.924+10:002017-08-18T13:31:43.924+10:00"Note also that he's included three paper..."Note also that he's included three papers on stratospheric cooling, which is an indicator of global warming."<br />Wrong! it's not an indicator of global warming, it's merely what climate scientists predicted would happen in response to increased greenhouse gas concentrations. It's only an indicator of global warming if the rest of the atmosphere warms at the same time, which, what's this? It did!Qwertiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04595705428290721343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73506342185570197002016-12-27T14:53:39.590+11:002016-12-27T14:53:39.590+11:00The following may be of interest to those who hav...The following may be of interest to those who have the misfortune to interact with Kenneth Richard. This fellow, of somewhat limited charm, seems to have taken up residence at the oxymoronic (emphasis on the last three syllables) ‘notrick’s. I did manage to tease out from him that he now claims to have degrees in the social sciences (see http://notrickszone.com/2016/12/16/current-solar-cycle-weakest-in-2-centuries-and-grant-fosters-far-fetched-model-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-1154323 and the following comments). <br /><br />He now admits implicitly (but the conclusion is obvious) that he doesn’t read the publications that he provides copious links to, on the basis that his background doesn’t allow him to understand them. I guess this is no big surprise but it is good to have this blowhard totally exposed.<br /><br />I ended up being eventually banned, which I am not upset about as it is his prerogative. I did find it however unsavoury that he actually reedited my last comment by deleting the relevant sentences. Consequently I would like my comment to see the light of day without Kenneth’s rewrite. My comment was based on this (there was some minor in situ editing on my behalf ).<br /><br />“I am totally unsurprised that Kenneth knows what an ad hominem attack is , as he has mastered this tactic along with straw men and diversions. Naturally Kenneth feels very defensive now that his cover has been blown and he has admitted that he has very little understanding of the material he links to. <br /><br />With regards to these ad hominem attacks, Kenneth must think hypocrisy is a virtue as he launches ad hom attacks on those whose views diverge from his own .<br /> Some are by implication, as he refers to others as being mere blog authors, as if the blog he is currently writing and commenting in, is not actually a blog but is a peer reviewed publication on par with Nature or P.N.A.S. Others are explicit , the sneering at the background of Rob Painting was an example par excellence. Rob Painting, unlike Kenneth was honest and disclosed his background up front. <br /><br />Look Kenneth, the edifice has crumbled leaving a trail of wreckage. I think it might be time for a new career move or a switch to a new alias. I suggest you don’t use any previous aliases because they may have a lot of associated baggage.<br /><br />Finally Kenneth raised the question -<br />“What was the mechanism that caused OHC to plummet between the MWP and LIA, since CO2 levels actually rose slightly during that period?”<br /><br />I really don’t know. Well beyond my level of expertise. Kenneth you are fond of reading lists so I will leave you with the following. <br /><br />Mann, M., et al., 2009: Global signatures and dynamical origins of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Climate Anomaly. Science, 326, 1256–1260. <br />Burgman, R., R. Seager, A. Clement, and C. Herweijer, 2010: Role of tropical Pacific SSTs in global medieval hydroclimate: A modeling study. Geophys. Res. Lett., 37, L06705. <br />……“ <br />I have not included here the list of the other 21 publications all of which (along with the above two) which were edited out by Kenneth.<br />mikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957963411790828978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1548486482780210592016-07-17T01:35:25.582+10:002016-07-17T01:35:25.582+10:00Oh, drat. Yeah, I jumped the gun.
https://www.ncd...Oh, drat. Yeah, I jumped the gun. <br /><a href="https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/" rel="nofollow">https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-monitoring/</a><br /><br />June for contiguous US is available. Global isn't there yet for June; it's still May. My error. Apologies.D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-32898082826754083442016-07-16T20:47:34.117+10:002016-07-16T20:47:34.117+10:00Is that the June figure? 0.87C was the value for M...Is that the June figure? 0.87C was the value for May, and it seems strange if June was the same.Bellmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04872924578152375407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55792094798949656542016-07-16T10:10:52.677+10:002016-07-16T10:10:52.677+10:00A bit off-topic, but I suspect Sou will report on ...A bit off-topic, but I suspect Sou will report on this soon:<br /><br />NOAA has just released its global temperature data for June of 2016. In the combined land and sea surface temperatures, globally it was the warmest June in the NOAA data set, coming in at +1.57°F (+0.87°C) above the 20th century average. It was also the warmest June ever for the continental United States.<br /><br />This marks fourteen consecutive warmest months ever for that month, starting in May of 2015 as the warmest May ever, through to June of 2016 beating the previous June record-holder, which was June of 2015.D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45772872853602667492016-07-16T07:54:40.114+10:002016-07-16T07:54:40.114+10:00OT, but GISTEMP update for June is very late. Seei...OT, but GISTEMP update for June is very late. Seeing as Nick Stoke's TempLS usually tracks very closely, I'm expecting an anomaly of 0.86 or 0.87C. Still pretty high by non-El Niño standards.metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18723096943528988012016-07-16T01:15:04.228+10:002016-07-16T01:15:04.228+10:00This is just a WAG, but you don't happen to be...This is just a WAG, but you don't happen to be David Ritson, do you? If so, it's great to have you commenting here. If not, or you wish to remain anon., please ignore.metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81443165787032968952016-07-15T23:37:36.005+10:002016-07-15T23:37:36.005+10:00The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley specializes in ...The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley specializes in misrepresenting climate papers. John Abraham deconstructed one of TVMOB's presentations, seeking statements from the authors, as you suggest. TVMOB was not amused.John Randallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59807189049777072262016-07-15T20:56:20.576+10:002016-07-15T20:56:20.576+10:00The link to the 2008 WUWT article is a real treasu...The link to the 2008 WUWT article is a real treasure trove. Thanks Sue. Another point of note is this question it poses: "does anyone believe that a linear extrapolation is valid?"<br /><br />To set the context: back in late 2008 fake sceptics were getting excited about the way a high order polynomial trend line looked on the satellite data charts. A big La Nina starting in 2007 meant that lower troposphere temperatures were below average during most of 2008. A high order poly, which tends to exaggerate the impact of more recent data in a time series, therefore gave a very satisfying-looking 'dip' to the satellite trend. <br /><br />Fake sceptics lost no time in suggesting that this dip was the prelude to a period of prolonged global cooling. (It's no coincidence that a lot of 'global cooling' predictions emanate from around this period.) Roy Spencer even began adding a high order polynomial trend line to the monthly UAH update chart on his blog. <br /><br />Of course, the long term linear trend suggested that no such cooling was imminent; hence the Wutters etc. wanted nothing to do with linear trends. Linear extrapolation was invalid - long live high order polynomials!<br /><br />Now we can look at this in the context of 8 more years of data. The long term linear trend in the (official) UAH v5.6 as of Sep 2008 was 0.13 C/dec; as of June 2016 it was 0.15 C/dec. In v6 (beta 5) of UAH, the figures are 0.13 and 0.12 C/dec respectively. So yes, a long term trend actually *is* a valid means of extrapolating future temperature trends; at any rate it's more valid than trusting a high order polynomial.<br /><br />Nowadays we hear little talk from fake sceptics about the wonderful properties of high order polynomial trends. Possibly that's because if we apply that same high order poly trend to the UAH data today as Spence and co were doing back in 2008, it swerves sharply in the opposite (warming) direction! And we can't be having that.<br /><br />Spencer quietly dropped polynomial trends from his UAH chart some years back, as soon as the tick started levelling off. Tellingly, he has never presented the UAH monthly update chart on his blog with a linear trend. DavidRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9558031398929646702016-07-15T18:15:07.597+10:002016-07-15T18:15:07.597+10:00Now that is government.
Like Abbott, first thing M...Now that is government.<br />Like Abbott, first thing May did was do away with the Department for Energy & Climate. This was led by Amber Rudd (who is property of Shell), who took out all renewables in that function; she'll promote to becoming the home secretary.<br />Corporate coup. Climate revisionism keeps on winning.<br />cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17805247466363973462016-07-15T18:08:07.099+10:002016-07-15T18:08:07.099+10:00Interesting reading all those predictions of immin...Interesting reading all those predictions of imminent cooling from Sue's first linked-to WUWT post above, by Bob Tisdale (Oct 2008). Starting with Bob himself, who foresaw "Cooling for 50 to 60 years, counteracting most if not all of the warming over the last 60 years."<br /><br />Bob also predicted that large El Nino events will "disappear" since their heat source had already been dissipated... <br /><br />Bob wrote: "We’ll check back here on this thread in 20 years, see how we’re doing." Well, it's only been about 8 years but it's safe to say that, so far at least, all those confident predictions of global cooling from 2008 onwards aren't doing terribly well: http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/gistemp/from:2008/mean:12DavidRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55501890901636173992016-07-15T16:23:33.546+10:002016-07-15T16:23:33.546+10:00Off topic: a frequent flyer provides more entertai...Off topic: a frequent flyer <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/15/matt-ridley-accused-of-lobbying-uk-government-on-behalf-of-coal-industry" rel="nofollow">provides more entertainment</a> I'm guessing that the denier blogs will all be looking the other way.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-19029926646208539872016-07-15T09:12:46.137+10:002016-07-15T09:12:46.137+10:00Markle2k, I often wonder if Dr. Plait realises how...Markle2k, I often wonder if Dr. Plait realises how many regular readers he lost after that move to Slate. I wish him well, he's passionate about what he does and his heart is in the right place and all that... but the comments section there, sheesh!metzomagichttp://metzomagic.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25309093864955206542016-07-15T04:05:30.818+10:002016-07-15T04:05:30.818+10:00Me three. I had been reading BA since Slashdot was...Me three. I had been reading BA since Slashdot was a thing. But, Slate just made it too much of a hassle to keep up.Markle2knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-77063104363225167142016-07-14T20:30:45.974+10:002016-07-14T20:30:45.974+10:00Lurker's point is well made: climate change de...Lurker's point is well made: climate change denial works at the quantum level. This is why, for all John Cook's attempts, it is impossible to know both the position and momentum of denial.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74369407902253870052016-07-14T20:26:56.903+10:002016-07-14T20:26:56.903+10:00Stuff like DenialDepot is hilarious...until you re...Stuff like DenialDepot is hilarious...until you realize that some people actually *do* hold those beliefs that the DD-people/person make up in jest.<br /><br />Reality is crazier than fiction.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70694857599819833282016-07-14T19:20:50.206+10:002016-07-14T19:20:50.206+10:00Lurker - please don't stop - you help to keep ...Lurker - please don't stop - you help to keep us on our toes and keep the discussion lively :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-45600006824808536452016-07-14T19:16:42.032+10:002016-07-14T19:16:42.032+10:00Oh, ha ha ha. Please stop! I am fit to burst with ...Oh, ha ha ha. Please stop! I am fit to burst with laughing. That is the best yet!Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73464730893041562732016-07-14T19:12:55.198+10:002016-07-14T19:12:55.198+10:00Okay, I'm going to stop trying to be funny and...Okay, I'm going to stop trying to be funny and state simply: deniers have pointed to the large number of articles they claim contradict the IPCC while they claim there are gatekeepers keeping contradictory articles from being published.<br /><br />In much the same way that Tim Ball has used ice core temperature reconstructions to play the tire "temperature lags" meme, while also claiming ice cores can't be used to reconstruct temperatures.<br /><br />No more jokes from me! :-)<br /><br />LurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90778511769913144462016-07-14T19:06:51.096+10:002016-07-14T19:06:51.096+10:00Thanks for the clarification. That was my first ta...Thanks for the clarification. That was my first take on it.<br /><br />It was the "true deniers" that threw me subsequently.<br /> Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20186060707971079592016-07-14T19:03:20.214+10:002016-07-14T19:03:20.214+10:00sarcasm has trouble getting through on the interne...sarcasm has trouble getting through on the internet - especially when dealing with such an absurdly contentious issueTadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-65720452215907559362016-07-14T19:01:50.991+10:002016-07-14T19:01:50.991+10:00I think I was right the first time. I think Lurker...I think I was right the first time. I think Lurker is making a joke (going by past comments here), pointing out the obvious contradiction in deniers' arguments. Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30792991727914048832016-07-14T18:31:05.651+10:002016-07-14T18:31:05.651+10:00Um, isn't the Lurker just making the same poin...Um, isn't the Lurker just making the same point again? If the establishment automatically stops AGW-questioning papers from being published, how are they managing to point these papers questioning AGW out?<br /><br />This is a regular - indeed, fundamental - feature of denier 'logic': temp data are all manipulated to fit the AGW cause / look at the pause in in the temperature data! <br /><br />Similarly, paleo data is inherently flaky and you can't draw meaningful conclusions from it, as this paleo data clearly proves. That sort of thing. On and on. Until we all fry.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78635634702305014052016-07-14T18:30:34.269+10:002016-07-14T18:30:34.269+10:00I am now completely confused by Lurker's "...I am now completely confused by Lurker's "joke". Humour tends to fail when it is based on a shaky pile of projected cognitive dissonance.Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.com