tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post7983036712805872823..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Where has all the CO2 gone? WUWT fails arithmetic & science, so cries pHraud!Souhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27382506138502842132014-12-31T02:38:51.085+11:002014-12-31T02:38:51.085+11:00@Cugel
Another example of the lack of denier joine...@Cugel<br />Another example of the lack of denier joined-up thinking?Jammy Dodgerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08360437479098314946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35815807443842061712014-12-31T02:04:44.692+11:002014-12-31T02:04:44.692+11:00Mack first informs us that phytoplankton blooms ar...Mack first informs us that phytoplankton blooms are removing additional CO2 and then informs us that nobody knows what's happening to phytoplankton. Now that's what I call a religious mindset.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79722852059868852542014-12-31T01:34:58.454+11:002014-12-31T01:34:58.454+11:00Oh, sorry KR - I should read comments more careful...Oh, sorry KR - I should read comments more carefully - especially after accusing Mack of not doing so :(<br /><br />Mea culpa.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15950043270135355452014-12-31T00:36:46.139+11:002014-12-31T00:36:46.139+11:00Sou - I gave Mack the "Global phytoplankton d...Sou - I gave Mack the "Global phytoplankton decline" reference in my last comment. Meaning his "miniature" claim was utterly absurd even when he made it.<br /><br />Mack - You are clearly arguing from an ideological position rather than any basis in fact, as has been shown repeatedly in these exchanges. You might want to consider why your comments are so easily disproven by observations, the literature, by facts. Until then, you are a denier.KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9815552030538039672014-12-30T22:45:56.552+11:002014-12-30T22:45:56.552+11:00Mack, lift your game and stop acting like a petula...Mack, lift your game and stop acting like a petulant and immature adolescent. <br /><br />Also, stop shifting goal posts. You asked "who's been measuring the growth rates of all the phytoplankton" and I gave lots of examples (including specific articles plus links to Google Scholar searches). <br /><br />You didn't ask "has anyone measured global amounts of phytoplankton". If you had, I might have been kind enough to do your research for you since you are incapable when it comes to looking up scientific papers. For example, here are two articles found in about 30 seconds:<br /><br />Boyce, Daniel G., Marlon R. Lewis, and Boris Worm. "Global phytoplankton decline over the past century." Nature 466, no. 7306 (2010): 591-596. <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7306/abs/nature09268.html" rel="nofollow">doi:10.1038/nature09268</a> <br /><br />Behrenfeld, Michael J., Robert T. O’Malley, David A. Siegel, Charles R. McClain, Jorge L. Sarmiento, Gene C. Feldman, Allen J. Milligan, Paul G. Falkowski, Ricardo M. Letelier, and Emmanuel S. Boss. "Climate-driven trends in contemporary ocean productivity." Nature 444, no. 7120 (2006): 752-755. <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7120/abs/nature05317.html" rel="nofollow">doi:10.1038/nature05317</a>Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82038901365528504862014-12-30T22:29:48.644+11:002014-12-30T22:29:48.644+11:00Mack's devastating wit skewers another religio...Mack's devastating wit skewers another religious zealot ...<br /><br />(We really do need a better class of denier. Yawn.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90523921617607161862014-12-30T22:22:11.096+11:002014-12-30T22:22:11.096+11:00@ Catmando...Well the Xmas Turkey's last year&...@ Catmando...Well the Xmas Turkey's last year's holiday on a beach in Antarctica was a tad spoiled on account of being jammed in pack ice he didn't expect. The penguins got to count a few looney birds on a boat instead.Macknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-92080057231866000162014-12-30T21:20:11.234+11:002014-12-30T21:20:11.234+11:00"arguement from miniature"
Rather bett..."arguement from miniature" <br /><br />Rather better than argument from ignorance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-42350107746686822962014-12-30T21:01:05.955+11:002014-12-30T21:01:05.955+11:00Mack, please spend your next holiday standing on a...Mack, please spend your next holiday standing on a beach in Antarctica, counting each and every penguin. Remember, they move so you'll need to keep track of them.<br /><br />Or you could remember basic sampling techniques and well established moods for calculating populations exist and that is what biologists will use. Dumb denialism insists 100% of everything is accounted for or it cannot be accepted. <br /><br />Now you have used the R word, you might want to look up what the word means before you use it again. This might help you http://ingeniouspursuits.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/agw-is-religion-right.htmlCatmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25601623342772896202014-12-30T20:44:42.986+11:002014-12-30T20:44:42.986+11:00KR and Sou et al...the term for your comments and ...KR and Sou et al...the term for your comments and references is called "arguement from miniature" All these scientific studies were conducted in various relatively small areas , small samples, everything small in a global sense. Also none of these studies have any time depth in them. Just like the scientists who go down the Antarctic and count a few penquin colonies...then say the number of penguins is declining in the Antarctic because of global warming... opps. the size of Antarctica in winter is about the same size as Africa... wow. go to Africa and count a few sparrows in Capetown and say Africa's sparrow population is going down, well maybe up , with all the global warming. <br />All these studies may have been meticulious and scientific, but nobody has the overall bigger picture,of the phytoplankton, certainly not over a time scale required to be representative of a change in global climate.<br />You people fascinate me with your total lack of perspective....but I guess it goes with the AGW religion.<br /><br /><br /><br /> Macknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47309417449405436632014-12-30T20:37:30.788+11:002014-12-30T20:37:30.788+11:00Wow. Eric had a victory...ish.Wow. Eric had a victory...ish.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-73968759634183312142014-12-30T20:05:43.138+11:002014-12-30T20:05:43.138+11:00"Methinks you're just making stuff up.&qu..."Methinks you're just making stuff up."<br /><br />Look in the mirror Mack.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38598764257059168592014-12-30T18:36:01.237+11:002014-12-30T18:36:01.237+11:00Hah! If I'd thought of "basic understand...Hah! If I'd thought of "basic understanding" I might have tried to work it in somewhere. adeladyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02019930864931919369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41029994062829740652014-12-30T18:33:59.696+11:002014-12-30T18:33:59.696+11:00Mack, the term for your comment is argument from i...Mack, the term for your comment is <i>argument from ignorance</i>. <br /><br />A <a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=phytoplankton+trends+climate+change" rel="nofollow">quick look at the literature</a> shows a huge amount of information on this, including <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7306/abs/nature09268.html" rel="nofollow">Global phytoplankton decline over the past century</a> linked to climate change. <br /><br />Your assertion of <i>"vast blooms of phytoplankton"</i> is flatly wrong, and you could have found that out with mere seconds of research. Which you clearly didn't do. KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-24206144448222345122014-12-30T18:31:13.368+11:002014-12-30T18:31:13.368+11:00Here's the link that I missed providing:
Edwa...Here's the link that I missed providing:<br /><br />Edwards, Kyle F., Mridul K. Thomas, Christopher A. Klausmeier, and Elena Litchman. "Allometric scaling and taxonomic variation in nutrient utilization traits and maximum growth rate of phytoplankton." Limnol. Oceanogr 57, no. 2 (2012): 554-566. (<a href="http://preston.kbs.msu.edu/reprints/files/edwards%20et%20al%202012.pdf" rel="nofollow">pdf here</a>)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-452027953090010982014-12-30T18:29:08.367+11:002014-12-30T18:29:08.367+11:00I see that "methinks" Mack didn't ev...I see that "methinks" Mack didn't even bother reading the article that Giovanni kindly provided, which isn't a surprise going on his record here. And he can't be bothered (or doesn't know how) to find the answer for himself. So here are just a few references for him to start his research with. <br /><br />Best of luck, Mack. Feel free to come back and tell us what you discover.<br /><br />Smith, W. O., David M. Nelson, and Sylvie Mathot. "Phytoplankton growth rates in the Ross Sea, Antarctica, determined by independent methods: temporal variations." Journal of Plankton Research 21, no. 8 (1999): 1519-1536. (<a href="http://plankt.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/8/1519.full.pdf" rel="nofollow">pdf here</a>)<br /><br />Berge, Terje, Niels Daugbjerg, Bettina Balling Andersen, and Per Juel Hansen. "Effect of lowered pH on marine phytoplankton growth rates." Marine Ecology Progress Series 416 (2010): 79-91. (<a href="http://www.researchgate.net/publication/233782222_Effect_of_lowered_pH_on_marine_phytoplankton_growth_rates/file/79e4150b751f7c6518.pdf" rel="nofollow">pdf here</a>)<br /><br />Edwards, Kyle F., Mridul K. Thomas, Christopher A. Klausmeier, and Elena Litchman. "Allometric scaling and taxonomic variation in nutrient utilization traits and maximum growth rate of phytoplankton." Limnol. Oceanogr 57, no. 2 (2012): 554-566. (pdf here)<br /><br />McKibben, S. M., P. G. Strutton, D. G. Foley, T. D. Peterson, and A. E. White. "Satellite‐based detection and monitoring of phytoplankton blooms along the Oregon coast." Journal of Geophysical Research: Oceans (1978–2012) 117, no. C12 (2012). (<a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2012JC008114/abstract" rel="nofollow">link </a>- open access)<br /><br />More <a href="https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?es_sm=122&um=1&ie=UTF-8&lr&q=related:e7zMLXe90tAT_M:scholar.google.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a><br /><br />Still <a href="https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?as_ylo=2010&q=growth+rate+marine+phytoplankton&hl=en&as_sdt=1,5&as_vis=1" rel="nofollow">more here</a> (from 2010 onwards).Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-29565223429824548382014-12-30T18:06:01.109+11:002014-12-30T18:06:01.109+11:00And who's been measuring the growth rates of ...And who's been measuring the growth rates of all the phytoplankton Giovanni? Methinks you're just making stuff up.Macknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71023241663031358022014-12-30T18:01:04.787+11:002014-12-30T18:01:04.787+11:00Be grateful for small wins. Although Mack seems to...Be grateful for small wins. Although Mack seems to think that photosynthesis only takes place in the ocean, at least he isn't trying to argue that the oceans are on balance "outgassing CO2", which is a common denier misconception. Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47312419076275533752014-12-30T17:54:20.854+11:002014-12-30T17:54:20.854+11:00FrankD - if you see this - could you try changing ...FrankD - if you see this - could you try changing your login name - maybe Frank D (with a space) or similar? Google Blogger is still playing up, no matter what I try. I'm wondering if a change of login name would help.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-43257298866999249102014-12-30T15:01:53.494+11:002014-12-30T15:01:53.494+11:00Mack- typically only very small percentage of phyt...Mack- typically only very small percentage of phytoplankton are exported to the ocean floor. The majority are grazed within the surface of the ocean, and much of the carbon is returned to CO2. See page 2 at this link: http://www.whoi.edu/cms/files/OceanusIron_Will_It_Work_30724.pdf<br /><br />Additionally, open ocean phytoplankton growth rates are not sufficient to absorb all the new CO2, which is why the concentration is going up in the ocean. giovanni da procidanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-75167169366653491602014-12-30T14:57:57.558+11:002014-12-30T14:57:57.558+11:00So if oceans are taking CO2 from the air, then tre...So if oceans are taking CO2 from the air, then trees can't? I am not sure you have thought that through. <br /><br />Sou had a recent post on the carbon cycle. where she provided this link which you may find helpful<br />http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/CarbonCycle/<br /><br />This diagram suggests that of the 9 gigatonnes of Carbon emitted by human activity, 3 are taken up by plants and 2 by the ocean with 4 staying in the atmosphere.<br />https://public.ornl.gov/site/gallery/originals/BioComponents_Carbon.jpg<br /><br />These estimates are refined as more research is done on the carbon cycle but there is still a large uncertainty. <br />http://theconversation.com/plants-absorb-more-co2-than-we-thought-but-32945<br />MikeHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76315904899937673572014-12-30T14:03:51.939+11:002014-12-30T14:03:51.939+11:00"so the oceans are taking CO2 from the air&qu... "so the oceans are taking CO2 from the air"...so you say Sou ? Of course the oceans are taking CO2 from the air. That's where most of the CO2 is going. It gets absorbed by vast blooms of phytoplankton which don't live very long and take the CO2, in the form carbonate sediments, to the floor of the ocean. It seems that the Amazon is not the "lungs of the world" after all, and that planting trees may be meaningless. Oh dear, how sad, there there, never mind.<br /> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSRgKKoLLiQMacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76322251311950635412014-12-30T11:36:23.906+11:002014-12-30T11:36:23.906+11:00Let me try:
"Beaker of HCl ready for pouring...Let me try:<br /><br />"Beaker of HCl ready for pouring, the chemistry teacher told the class that he would now dealkalinize the existing basic mixture."<br /><br />Hmm, don't recall hearing it put like that.<br /><br />With children, should we say they're growing less short until they cross over the average height of all children, only after which we can say they're growing taller?<br /><br />Anyway, this sort of absurdist smokescreen is just another brick in the wall of constructed ignorance over at WTFUWT.Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33106483571006997702014-12-30T09:21:30.696+11:002014-12-30T09:21:30.696+11:00I think they're running out of smart sounding ...I think they're running out of smart sounding denials <i>(as they have been repeatedly shown that those don't hold up)</i>, and are down to scraping the barrel for the really whacky ideas. <br /><br />Like 'CO2 is from insects', NASA/UN conspiracy theories, blatantly wrong math, and cherry-picking that a 6th grader could point out...KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-18919682454153279812014-12-30T09:02:02.524+11:002014-12-30T09:02:02.524+11:00So that was the real Cliff Mass? I had half-assum...So that was the real Cliff Mass? I had half-assumed it couldn't be given the context. But if so, wow (tm Judy Curry).Steve Bloomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12943109973917998380noreply@blogger.com