tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post794297979454874115..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Breaking news! WUWT accepts a scientific paper about ENSOSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81155145035363667422014-08-10T16:31:19.428+10:002014-08-10T16:31:19.428+10:00In the main article, I've added one of the fig...In the main article, I've added one of the figures from the paper. I don't think I can provide much more info without breaching copyright. What I've added should give some idea of what they did, and on what they base their findings. Plus the grounds on which they base their suggestions in regard to possible additional factors affecting ENSO in the past.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69697300188565576632014-08-10T16:14:48.174+10:002014-08-10T16:14:48.174+10:00Note also the persistent pattern: they're '...Note also the persistent pattern: they're 'skeptical' of the results of thousands of papers, and the associated deliberations of the overwhelming number of experts in the field, and the peak science bodies.<br /><br />As soon as a single paper they can interpret in a way they like comes along, on the other hand, 'skepticism' more-or-less vanishes...<br /><br />These are magical, indeed 'magic-bullet', thinkers.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5781367159662788622014-08-10T15:33:03.888+10:002014-08-10T15:33:03.888+10:00After quickly checking the supplementary info, and...After quickly checking the supplementary info, and not seeing the full text, I'd say the article is more of a 'proof of consept' -type than anything else. They're not producing a full timeseries from this amount of shells, rather checking by statistics how many of the shells have a record of an el Nino event in each period. It's though still a good article, like some early tree-ring analyses.jyyhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-69628126408532223202014-08-10T12:18:54.482+10:002014-08-10T12:18:54.482+10:00You can clearly see that Watties don't even bo...You can clearly see that Watties don't even bother to read the papers, or if they do it's just a blur of confusing words.<br /><br />"Lewis P Buckingham says:<br />August 8, 2014 at 8:28 pm<br />How do we know that shells are a good proxy for temperature?<br />I recall the argument that tree rings were often a poor proxy for temperature because other things were relevant also to the growth of tree rings."<br /><br />Well Lewis, if you actually read (and understand) the paper it does not use the growth of the shells to determine temperature, but oxygen isotopic data.<br /><br />Science illiteracy at it's best!!!Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1880810211282461572014-08-10T12:11:20.090+10:002014-08-10T12:11:20.090+10:00Actually, my take home is that the assumption that...Actually, my take home is that the assumption that ENSO over the long haul averages out is better justified now than before. I had written something much longer about this but it got eaten by a careless keystroke the first time, maybe tomorrow.Dave123http://www.skepticalscience.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46062066947826870362014-08-10T10:15:10.314+10:002014-08-10T10:15:10.314+10:00This is great news for Bob Tisdale!This is great news for Bob Tisdale!rubiginosahttps://twitter.com/rubiginosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-26768609932539893372014-08-10T10:08:51.099+10:002014-08-10T10:08:51.099+10:00Even though my university's library pays Scien...Even though my university's library pays Science a large amount of money every year, I cannot read this article. As of now, when there is a buzz about the paper, it is only available on ScienceXpress for those who have paid a premium, so almost nobody can evaluate how good the work is (and how accurate the press releases are).<br /><br />Traditional scientific journals are have a broken funding model and Science is milking it. Not impressed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61789487621841347962014-08-10T10:06:44.421+10:002014-08-10T10:06:44.421+10:00Well, anyone who's read much at WUWT over the ...Well, anyone who's read much at WUWT over the years knows that Smokey/dbstealey is not only very nasty but also more stupid even than the average denier. I could post lots of quotes but you only need to search for either name and hit pay dirt ("dirt" is a polite word for it) with pretty much every hit. TrueScepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-6885364987589735852014-08-10T06:44:31.256+10:002014-08-10T06:44:31.256+10:00thanks, that really was funny. I usually define CA...thanks, that really was funny. I usually define CAGW as the dead giveaway in conversation that you deny climate science.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67044188357780656442014-08-10T06:13:37.109+10:002014-08-10T06:13:37.109+10:00I love the dbstealey comment: does he really think...I love the dbstealey comment: does he really think that what an acronym stands for defines it? Personally I'd say that we are already seeing a catastrophe: the WHO places annual deaths due to climate change in the 6 figure bracket:<br /><br />http://www.who.int/globalchange/news/fsclimandhealth/en/<br /><br />But I guess that's peanuts for the shills and for the dupes of our mega polluting industries.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com