tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post770417549349948359..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Free speech advocates make a fresh start by banning free speechSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61158762688194060782015-06-14T22:25:28.511+10:002015-06-14T22:25:28.511+10:00Some comments should be prefaced with "I'...Some comments should be prefaced with "I'm not ageist but ..." ;)<br /><br />I'm no papist but I'm delighted we have such an ally as Francis.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-89352485853292875342015-06-14T21:25:02.622+10:002015-06-14T21:25:02.622+10:00You mean *this* video of the pope's upcoming e...You mean *this* video of the pope's upcoming encyclical? :-)<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76BtP1GInlc<br /><br />(h/t to Ugo Bardi at <a href="http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow">Resource Crisis</a>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72356979650574171082015-06-14T15:48:03.680+10:002015-06-14T15:48:03.680+10:00When I watched this video of the conference from S...When I watched this video of the conference from Suzanne Goldenberg's story in the Guardian, I wondered if Heartland might have bussed in people from some local aged-care homes to pad the numbers of the attendees.<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2015/jun/12/us-climate-change-deniers-pope-environment-encyclical-videoCeistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-39445311290052411392015-06-14T15:09:59.406+10:002015-06-14T15:09:59.406+10:00And a great, representative cross-section among th...And a great, representative cross-section among the none-too-numerous attendees, running the gamut all the way from older white men to some older white women, too. <br /><br />'Roosters of the Apocalypse' is still a great title, and is almost-certainly totally wasted on its actual contents...billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25353286047285549172015-06-14T13:53:26.889+10:002015-06-14T13:53:26.889+10:00That slide show is priceless. Do check it out fol...That slide show is priceless. Do check it out folks!Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-15700874619814498212015-06-14T06:23:12.600+10:002015-06-14T06:23:12.600+10:00I recommend the photo galley attached at end of A...I recommend the photo galley attached at end of <a href="http://mashable.com/2015/06/11/global-warming-conference-skeptics/" rel="nofollow">Andrew Freedman article @ Mashable</a> Read the captions.John Masheyhttp://www.desmogblog.com/user/john-masheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57436155470804742572015-06-14T05:05:49.738+10:002015-06-14T05:05:49.738+10:00"they will never understand that having the v..."they will never understand that having the vast majority of scientists in one field so unanimous in agreement is so incredibly unusual"<br /><br />I do not know if it is so unusual. There is quite universal agreement in physics about existence of gravity or in astronomy about earth going around the sun etc. <br /><br />But naturally there are zillions of open topics of research hotly debated in just about any science.. <br /><br />Some parts are largely settled and that should be no surprise. IMHO.. ;)0^0https://www.blogger.com/profile/09590270703159793784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71059692326147032002015-06-14T04:55:44.605+10:002015-06-14T04:55:44.605+10:00I guess there is some kind of mirror universe bubb...I guess there is some kind of mirror universe bubble for wuwt crowd.. 0^0https://www.blogger.com/profile/09590270703159793784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-1765485410420486662015-06-14T04:34:46.148+10:002015-06-14T04:34:46.148+10:00The link http://www.sciencefriday.com/#path/segmen...The link http://www.sciencefriday.com/#path/segment/06/12/2015/climate-skeptics-convene-on-capitol-hill.html0^0https://www.blogger.com/profile/09590270703159793784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79850696016195986182015-06-14T04:23:53.098+10:002015-06-14T04:23:53.098+10:00Science Friday had a few minutes about the meeting...Science Friday had a few minutes about the meeting.. Somebody visiting SciFri had participated it incognito. Apparently it had been a smallish gathering of men who know they are fringe, most probably average age around 60 or more. No clear message coming out as the speakers had sort of incompatible "science" (co2 warming been good / does not exist etc). A few statements by the GOP luminaries were fact checked and found (surprise) a bit dubious.. 0^0https://www.blogger.com/profile/09590270703159793784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87299217080426015852015-06-14T02:26:12.822+10:002015-06-14T02:26:12.822+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81917083931887008952015-06-14T02:14:29.812+10:002015-06-14T02:14:29.812+10:00They are talking about monkeys.
But not about land...They are talking about monkeys.<br />But not about <a href="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/15/article-2524237-1A1E2B6200000578-490_634x349.jpg" rel="nofollow">landing on dead trees...</a>looʞ oɹezhttp://arkansaswildlifephotography.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-30449760597046146852015-06-14T02:14:12.974+10:002015-06-14T02:14:12.974+10:00Or what's happening in CA.Or what's happening in CA.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-861230951738630802015-06-14T01:24:40.734+10:002015-06-14T01:24:40.734+10:00"It's happened before, in the 1970s, and ..."It's happened before, in the 1970s, and the anasazi. Totally normal, nothing to worry about [pay no attention to what happened to the anasazi]."numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-22223790557489885842015-06-14T00:26:20.611+10:002015-06-14T00:26:20.611+10:00Apologies for going off topic, but does anybody wi...Apologies for going off topic, but does anybody with a strong enough stomach to visit WUWT know if Anthony is managing to remain oblivious to the, um, perfectly normal in a dry sort of way, situation in his own home state?<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-drought-largest-water-cuts-in-states-history-ordered-by-state-regulators-10317667.htmlMillicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52514342798037073692015-06-13T13:01:13.797+10:002015-06-13T13:01:13.797+10:00It's sort of weird though given that anti-SLAP...It's sort of weird though given that anti-SLAPP laws are generally meant to protect individuals against frivolous lawsuits brought against them by corporations. The request of the CEI and National Review seem to turn this type of law on its head.Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-33765005011978587052015-06-13T09:15:31.600+10:002015-06-13T09:15:31.600+10:00@-"I spent some time today watching the lives...@-"I spent some time today watching the livestream of the Heartland denierfest. ... Similarly they want "impartial" information from the government," <br /><br />In the political sphere (where Heartland lives) 'Impartial' is code for Balanced.<br />Obviously there is nothing 'impartial' about a 97% consensus that warming will continue with continued CO2 emissions.<br /><br />Impartial government advice would be that it might warm because of CO2, or it might not. with absolutely no probability ascribed to either option.<br />That way politicians can select the option that best matches their policy position and claim they have taken a balanced view on impartial advice.<br /><br />Journalists who would question the validity of this approach, rather than just report their assertion it is required given the unbalanced statements from scientists are obviously not welcome.izenhttps://izenmeme.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-62332984202531264872015-06-13T08:59:04.713+10:002015-06-13T08:59:04.713+10:00The vast majority of them seem to have no idea tha...The vast majority of them seem to have no idea that scientific research is very competitive. Nor do they appreciate that there is simply not enough money to go around. They don't understand that in order to be successful in grant funding you have to propose original and innovative science that will move your particular field of investigation forward. None of this favors consensus or support of the status quo. Ergo they will never understand that having the vast majority of scientists in one field so unanimous in agreement is so incredibly unusual. Mike Pollardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51808669251388721262015-06-13T06:03:41.081+10:002015-06-13T06:03:41.081+10:00Millicent, I can't comment on the UK legal sys...Millicent, I can't comment on the UK legal system (having no experience there) but it's true that in the U.S. the legal system can be and is abused by people who have clever lawyers and lots of money. I don't think that's the case here. The defendants were just lucky or clever enough to hit on a couple of issues that are important to people who are subject to SLAPP suits - strategic lawsuits against public participation - which are often used to try to silence journalists or other critics. <br /><br />And trust me, this isn't Byzantine by a long shot.FLwolverinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15714397414422766313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72457667415923514652015-06-13T05:15:39.705+10:002015-06-13T05:15:39.705+10:00I spent some time today watching the livestream of...I spent some time today watching the livestream of the Heartland denierfest. What struck me as their overarching theme was that there must be some giant conspiracy going on in the scientific community that just keeps the truth from coming out. <br /><br />They blamed the "executives" who run the scientific societies for putting out scientifically wrong statements that support AGW, implying that the the tens of thousands of members who select those executives must not agree with the statements. If they sincerely believe that, then why not follow up with a campaign to replace them with leadership that's to their liking?<br /><br />Later on they blamed the scientific community for failing to "audit" themselves properly. Yet there was no mention of that long established audit mechanism: the peer review process. Similarly they want "impartial" information from the government, but neglected to mention that it was their friends in the Republican party who abolished Congress's impartial scientific research arm, the Office of Technology Assessment.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83760369849391555042015-06-13T04:18:57.896+10:002015-06-13T04:18:57.896+10:00Is being paid to publish lies which ultimately har...Is being paid to publish lies which ultimately harm or kill millions or billions of people merely a question of free speech? WUWT and the Heartland Institute evidently are making that argument.<br /><br />Sou, you (or someone else) deleted a comment I made a few days ago on this topic. I really think this is a valid question:<br /><br />Are the people who pay/receive money to carry out the sustained program of deliberate lying, obfuscation, character assassination, and destruction of the respectability of climate science, a program which will inevitably lead to the physical harm of millions if not billions of people, not a crime against humanity?Gingerbakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14211637630936981883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-55683551396067209792015-06-13T04:16:23.484+10:002015-06-13T04:16:23.484+10:00I've seen in the UK where a simple case of unf...I've seen in the UK where a simple case of unfair dismissal has been built up into a complex case involving all manner of 'important and novel' legal issues that, frankly, were not relevent as to whether the complainant had been unfairly dismissed. Our learned friends made hundreds of thousands of pounds out of it.<br /><br />The rest of the population looked on in horror at the workings of a legal system where, win or lose, the costs of the case meant only the lawyers really won. Justice should be affordable by everyone: not just the rich or those backed by various groups.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68204976860962688722015-06-13T03:17:09.408+10:002015-06-13T03:17:09.408+10:00Actually, Millicent, I tend to agree with the Wolv...Actually, Millicent, I tend to agree with the Wolverine. The legal issues are important and relatively novel as I understand it, and need to be adjudicated carefully. It is interesting that the Steyn people are trying to stretch it out, while the hounds on the right are baying for Mann's claims to be adjudicated in court.<br /><br />What could they possibly be afraid of? (/snark)palindromnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-76894744517706499912015-06-13T02:31:42.964+10:002015-06-13T02:31:42.964+10:00Somewhere I heard that Senator Inhoff took the sno...Somewhere I heard that Senator Inhoff took the snowball and used it to make a snowman? I gathered that it <a href="http://media-cdn.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2015/03/02/150303theskeptic8591907662_t377_h39f2c2c212a6ca11fc75e93155761c5a6c878bf8.jpg" rel="nofollow">didn't last long.</a><br /><br />Off Topic, but I strongly recommend following Willem Middelkoop on Twitter to be prepared for jaw dropping changes to come in this world.<br /><a href="http://slavyangrad.es/2015/06/05/diferentes-enfoques/" rel="nofollow">Such as...this</a><br /><br />The biggest nightmare for America is a strong, prosperous, peaceful Eurasian Continent with China as hegemon. The batshyt crazy neoconservative thugs know it cannot last... that's why now up to 8.5 trillion dollars is unaccounted for by the Pentagon...looʞ oɹezhttp://arkansaswildlifephotography.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-61445458045156474702015-06-12T23:57:58.117+10:002015-06-12T23:57:58.117+10:00As a non lawyer I'd say the entire process see...As a non lawyer I'd say the entire process seems so stuffed full of Byzantine crap that it makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a justice system.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com