tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post770080084819371059..comments2024-02-12T15:25:44.028+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Dumb denier QandA at WUWTSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-78151654811946671722014-04-03T22:59:44.999+11:002014-04-03T22:59:44.999+11:00Our species can adapt to temperature and yet the v...Our species can adapt to temperature and yet the vast bulk of humanity lives in temperate river valleys, and indeed has done so since agriculture became established. Just the glacier-fed rivers originating in Tibet and the Himalayas support more than half the world's population. A climate which allows that to continue is desirable. One that doesn't, isn't.<br /><br />The situation now is what we're concerned with, not a world with a population of 150k who've barely made a mark on it. 7.2 billion and rising.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-11601254731422394222014-04-03T21:31:10.031+11:002014-04-03T21:31:10.031+11:00Sou,
"we might inadvertently help the situati...Sou,<br />"we might inadvertently help the situation albeit not in a very palatable manner."<br /><br />This is a subset of a much larger issue of sustainability, a concept generally seen as "nice to have" or "too expensive". However, the reality is that our existence *will* become sustainable, the only question is whether we achieve this in a controlled or uncontrolled manner.<br /><br />At the moment we're choosing uncontrolled.VeryTallGuynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56848800147512309782014-04-03T14:29:38.536+11:002014-04-03T14:29:38.536+11:00Not only that, but when climate changed drasticall...Not only that, but when climate changed drastically in the past (before the Holocene), there weren't many humans around. So those that didn't die off were able to move and colonise new territory (or fight for it).<br /><br />People living in on land that will not be tolerable in the future will either die in situ or will try to migrate elsewhere. (See latest IPCC report.) Who's going to move over to let them in? Abbott is busy turning back the few boats that try to get to Australia now. There will be a lot more boats in the future.<br /><br />Unless we drop CO2 emissions fairly soon, there'll be a lot of conflict probably starting around mid-century and then ramping up. That in turn may well have the effect of reducing CO2 emissions and/or increasing aerosols - so we might inadvertently help the situation albeit not in a very palatable manner.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38088015346009657742014-04-03T12:57:08.313+11:002014-04-03T12:57:08.313+11:00...and when vaste swathes of croplands are no long......and when vaste swathes of croplands are no longer suitable for growing wheat; why, we'll just harvest the buckbush that grows there, instead!<br /><br />Right, Pollyanna?Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-46915145221388179972014-04-03T12:04:14.723+11:002014-04-03T12:04:14.723+11:00"the temperature that our civilization has ev..."the temperature that our civilization has evolved alongside and is therefore adapted to.."<br /><br />That is really quite dubious.<br />Homo Sapiens both knows how to make fire and how to dress. Thus able to spread worldwide into any climate and temperature very long before that fameous civilisation was invented.<br /><br />Our species is quite obliously quite extreemly adaptible to temperatures and climates and enviroments. And quite omnivor also. Thus its success. <br /><br />I think we should conclude that it is rather a dubious way to state the problem, a way that will not keep. heidruns hønserihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121412444459651844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-66587001918702276372014-03-10T00:09:43.885+11:002014-03-10T00:09:43.885+11:00A vanishingly small risk of, for Watts, a calamito...A vanishingly small risk of, for Watts, a calamitous outcome - fer sure, action must be taken.Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-14972496924577516912014-03-09T19:57:10.882+11:002014-03-09T19:57:10.882+11:00I think Lou Geiger will be banned from WUWT very s...I think Lou Geiger will be banned from WUWT very soon. His rationality might spread to other WUWTers and Watts could not put up with that.Jammy Dodgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-28910068041319287352014-03-09T17:18:02.075+11:002014-03-09T17:18:02.075+11:00Speaking of the Queensland drought, the Warwick Hu...Speaking of the Queensland drought, the Warwick Hughes misnamed blog "Errors in IPCC climate science" has an article http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=2775 "BBC now spreading lies about Queensland drought" which contains a link http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2014/3/7/the-largest-area-of-queensland-ever-drought-declared to a Queensland Government Press Release "The largest area of Queensland ever drought declared". Which is prefaced by the statement: "Not a reliable guide to the rain that fell over Queensland last month." and a link to a previous Hughes blog article http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=2761 "No excuse for this ABARES - CSIRO - Bom soil moisture map not being up to date." Actually they are up to date if you check the most weekly soil moisture maps for February. The soil moisture map posted by Hughes is for January not February. <br /><br />The two Hughes' blog articles rely on comparisons between monthly Rainfall maps and monthly Soil Moisture maps but excludes monthly Temperature maps which might explain why there's not a lot of moisture being retained by the soil. No reference by Hughes to the grass growing seasons (Dec to Jan in the northern regions of Qld, lengthening to July in the southern regions) for Mitchell grass ( http://www.savanna.org.au/qld/mg/mggrazing.html ) being out of kilter with the rainfall. No reference to the effect of spring bushfires on pastures, the effect of high temperatures on plant transpiration and soil evaporation, etc. <br /><br />Hughes should take his own advice and work his way through BOM rainfall maps from June 2013 ( http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/awap/rain/index.jsp?colour=colour&time=history%2Fnat%2F2013050120130531&step=8&map=totals&period=month&area=nat ) to February 2014 to see why so much of Queensland has been drought declared. Then he could work his way through BOM monthly max. temperature maps from September 2013 ( http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/awap/temp/index.jsp?colour=colour&time=history%2Fnat%2F2013080120130831&step=5&map=maxave&period=month&area=nat ) to February 2014.<br /><br />Typically for sites like the EiIPCCcs site, the headline acts as a Pavlov's dog whistle for those who, for reasons unknown, frequent those sites i.e. "BBC now spreading lies about Queensland drought". Strange (actually no it's not) that the headline isn't "Conservative Queensland Government now spreading lies about Queensland drought" or "Queensland graziers hoodwink governments to get drought relief handouts". Beats me why the opportunity was lost to post a more flame-fanning headline such as "BOM and CSIRO provide false information to Queensland government!".George Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07042191140401441348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-31394669823746978952014-03-09T03:39:59.835+11:002014-03-09T03:39:59.835+11:00What Leo geiger said. I don't think I could im...What Leo geiger said. I don't think I could improve on that. How long's he going to last there I wonder?Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53799614631275624012014-03-09T00:51:15.161+11:002014-03-09T00:51:15.161+11:00"What is the perfect temperature of Earth?&qu..."What is the perfect temperature of Earth?"<br /><br />The temperature that our civilisation has evolved alongside and is therefore adapted to. Pretty bloody obvious really.<br /><br />But I expect that WUWTers will somehow conclude that it will be whatever fossil fuel industry profits dictate we must suffer. And I say that because - whatever the topic - climate change denier opinion seems to coincide with fossil fuel industry interest.Millicentnoreply@blogger.com