tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post7503385842074781573..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Bob Tisdale has no empathy for millions of Americans affected by rising seasSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-13532819321635924892016-04-13T12:25:33.923+10:002016-04-13T12:25:33.923+10:00Maggma, I do recall that cartoon although I'd ...Maggma, I do recall that cartoon although I'd forgotten it as it's been years since I saw it - it has a particular poignancy now.<br /><br />As they say, climate change happens too slowly for politicians to act, but too fast for species to adapt. What a shame that we're effectively tackling cliamte change with the caveman parts of our brains...Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-5324213120154887732016-04-13T05:41:56.671+10:002016-04-13T05:41:56.671+10:00Given it was in the UK, it literally is a first-wo...Given it was in the UK, it literally is a first-world problem. Proof that indeed, the first world has plenty to lose from climate change.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38073490409583217442016-04-13T00:42:37.508+10:002016-04-13T00:42:37.508+10:00in the UK we have had people flooded out of their ...in the UK we have had people flooded out of their homes several times in as many years <br /><br />indeed some were flooded twice in a month - just before Christmas, ruining it <br /><br />I know in the current state of the world it can seem a "1st world problem"<br /><br />but for the people involved it is heart-breaking <br /><br />I think this type of flooding will be seen as THE aspect of AGW that hits home hardest - as a visible sign of our impact on the climateTadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51226640997505170282016-04-12T23:09:06.645+10:002016-04-12T23:09:06.645+10:00I bet Tisdale would feel differently if 4.2 millio...I bet Tisdale would feel differently if 4.2 million Americans were killed or forced from their homes by a terrorist attack. Then 4.2 million would become a big number. Just sayin'.D.C.Pettersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05078422582348328238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-27233981584112688592016-04-12T23:02:50.528+10:002016-04-12T23:02:50.528+10:004.2 million people by 2100 seems like a gross unde...4.2 million people by 2100 seems like a gross underestimate to me, all things considered. The sea doesn't have to lap at your doorstep every high tide or several times a year during spring tides to make your house unlivable.<br /><br />If proportional to the post-Katrina depopulation of New Orleans, a category 4 or 5 hurricane and its storm surge turbocharged by higher and warmer seas making landfall near Houston or Miami could leave a million homeless in a stroke. Some residents would never return.Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-74293551367549675962016-04-12T22:46:16.564+10:002016-04-12T22:46:16.564+10:00Bernard, perhaps you recall this old Far Side cart...Bernard, perhaps you recall this old Far Side cartoon?<br /><br /><a href="http://img.ifcdn.com/images/2b4419007a80ca3cb038d3be05870804e24a95db003f2bc1b614819dbc5692dd_1.jpg" rel="nofollow">"Say, Thag... wall of ice closer today?"</a>Magmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-51722641445398289282016-04-12T22:21:08.376+10:002016-04-12T22:21:08.376+10:00+2.
It's one of my perpetual bugbears. What ...+2.<br /><br />It's one of my perpetual bugbears. What we really need to be getting across to people is the damage to which we;re already committed, and to which we commit ourselve even more with every year of continued carbon emissions. Sea level rise, ecosystem shifts, species extinctions, loss of ecosystem functions, heat and water stressors - the lot.<br /><br />Pwople simply don't know the size of the freight train that's rushing in slow motion to meet them and their grandkids.Bernard J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16299073166371273808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-82957733602863426572016-04-12T18:06:17.304+10:002016-04-12T18:06:17.304+10:00In Bob's chart the box marked 'warming'...In Bob's chart the box marked 'warming' shows annual data and runs from 1977 to 1998 inclusive. WMO uses the average of HadCRUT, NOAA and GISS as their global surface temperature data source. Between 1977 and 1998 the rate of warming in the WMO index was 0.15 C/dec.<br /><br />Bob's second box marked 'no warming' starts in 1999 and we can now fill this out to 2015. The warming rate between 1999 and 2015 in the WMO index was 0.16 C/dec.<br /><br />Has Bob noticed that a rate he described as 'warming' is now slower than a rate he described as 'no warming' just a couple of years ago?<br /><br />No doubt another open letter to the WMO is imminent.DavidRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67400907666519941192016-04-12T17:46:12.021+10:002016-04-12T17:46:12.021+10:00although it does sound like Eric Worrall has solve...although it does sound like Eric Worrall has solved the issue <br /><br />all you need is <i>"a bit of repair tape and plumber’s mate non-setting putty (normally used to waterproof toilet outlets) kept the door waterproof." </i><br /><br />and "jobs a good'n" as we say in the UK <br /><br />why all the fuss!!! Tadaaahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07736188830660481871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-81910611656858932702016-04-12T17:34:36.809+10:002016-04-12T17:34:36.809+10:00The warning flag is already flying in Miami Beach,...The warning flag is already flying in Miami Beach, which is experiencing salt water flooding at the year's highest tides--and yet the building of expensive properties there continues. <br /><br />The speculative developers will of course be gone with the suckers' money when those buyers wake up, see the flag and try to sell their suddenly worthless luxury condos. It will be a bust of historical rapidity as values plummet to near zero in a matter of weeks or even days.<br />-<br />Adam R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56177863939164078072016-04-12T17:24:14.931+10:002016-04-12T17:24:14.931+10:00"They are afflicted with confirmation bias, s..."They are afflicted with confirmation bias, such as expecting that scientists are perpetrating a hoax on humankind therefore no science is trusted."<br /><br />And yet a WUWT'er such as Tisdale will employ data from these devious, lying scientists when it suits him. We see it again here in the graph he posted. <br /><br />Confirmation bias and immunity to cognitive dissonance are the essential ingredients of the denier mind.<br />-<br />Adam R.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-72980462335256999362016-04-12T17:03:37.397+10:002016-04-12T17:03:37.397+10:00I should add that it doesn't even take an actu...I should add that it doesn't even take an actual loss of real estate to cause a financial crisis. It might be a simple matter of the "smart money" getting a wake up call because, say, a large chunk of the WAIS breaks loose, and the big land owners head for the exits. Pop goes the bubble, and it's 2008 all over again.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2674116229658764852016-04-12T16:53:37.748+10:002016-04-12T16:53:37.748+10:00I don't know about the wealth distribution of ...I don't know about the wealth distribution of Sandy-affected residents in New Jersey. What sometimes goes missed in these discussions is that the dirt itself is worth a lot of moolah. So, speaking of Miami Beach, I'm seeing lots/land going for upward of $10 million/acre.<br /><br />So maybe you can save the hotel with a seawall, but what happens as the beach starts getting smaller? <br /><br />Which it will due to erosion. <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=QjQboHi6hNQC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=average+slope+of+a+florida+beach&source=bl&ots=FWMtTFxbDj&sig=ijO6NdeH3InQrAS2QlzRq_79kxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjlzeeowIjMAhVJ22MKHZFiAG04ChDoAQgbMAA#v=onepage&q=average%20slope%20of%20a%20florida%20beach&f=false" rel="nofollow">This source</a> puts it between 100-1,000 m of shore retreat for every 1 m of SLR. Or between one and 10 American Football fields for every 1 yard of rising ocean.<br /><br />No structure loss required for that to put a crimp in the economy.Brandon R. Gateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031044715994785956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-89300122851786424912016-04-12T12:56:18.616+10:002016-04-12T12:56:18.616+10:00I would assume that a significant proportion of th...I would assume that a significant proportion of the 4.2 million people in the USA likely to be first affected by SLR are part of "the 1%" given that they can afford prime waterfront properties.<br /><br />:-)<br /><br />Or am I off the mark? Is anyone aware of the socioeconomic profile of the New Jersey residents affected by SuperStorm Sandy.<br /><br />"346,000 homes in New Jersey were damaged by Sandy, of which 22,000 were rendered uninhabitable."<br /><br />Or by the flooding in Miami Beach?<br /><br /><br /><br />MikeHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35206872864774035362016-04-12T12:53:11.827+10:002016-04-12T12:53:11.827+10:00Agree. Nor do we see too much about when and by ho...Agree. Nor do we see too much about when and by how much sea level will rise by decades. It's too hard to estimate. The one thing that there does seem to be agreement on is that it won't be gradual. We could, for example, have a rise of a metre over a decade or two later this century, then a "pause" and then another big hit. That will make it very hard for some countries.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4935780943754361122016-04-12T12:46:40.036+10:002016-04-12T12:46:40.036+10:00We always talk about sea level in 2100 or thereabo...We always talk about sea level in 2100 or thereabouts. What doesn't get communicated very well is sea level rise doesn't stop there. Even if we take drastic action to reduce CO2 emissions I don't think we'll see less than 20-30 feet (6-10 meters) of sea level rise in the 300-500 year time frame and it could be more. The last time CO2 levels were 400 ppm sea level was over 60 feet (20 meters) higher than now.riveratnoreply@blogger.com