tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post7016453291702352864..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: Human influence on the Californian droughtSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87082085039780656322014-10-06T13:09:20.949+11:002014-10-06T13:09:20.949+11:00Anonymous must be a clone from WUWT. He didn't...Anonymous must be a clone from WUWT. He didn't address what you wrote at all. He seems to think that less incoming solar radiation can cause more global warming, just like Bob claims.<br /><br />The unwritten sign at WUWT reads: "Please remove brain before entering".<br /><br />There is no such sign at HotWhopper. <br /><br />Perhaps I should put up a notice for WUWT-ers. "Attention WUWT fans: Please remember to put your brain back in before reading or commenting at HotWhopper."Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79324280369520732922014-10-06T12:59:12.621+11:002014-10-06T12:59:12.621+11:00Thanks Sou, well said. For LIS71, take a look at t...Thanks Sou, well said. For LIS71, take a look at this graph:http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Solar_vs_Temp_basic.gif<br /><br />Then, please provide a mechanism to explain how an internal variation can induce a global energy increase.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-47429940106330449172014-10-06T12:51:14.091+11:002014-10-06T12:51:14.091+11:00Another thing that Bob doesn't understand is K...Another thing that Bob doesn't understand is Kevin Trenberth's writings. Bob tries to twist the fact that Dr Trenberth knows that El Nino has an effect of warming the surface (and La Nina has an effect of cooling the surface). I don't know for sure if Bob actually believes his own guff or if he's deliberately misrepresenting Kevin Trenberth when he writes that Dr Trenberth reckons that El Nino is causing global warming. Bob wrote:<br /><br /><i>Last year, Dr. Kevin Trenberth of NCAR jumped on the bandwagon and began saying that ENSO contributes to long-term global warming. In addition to being a loyal advocate of the hypothesis of human-induced global warming, Dr. Trenberth is also a world-renowned expert on ENSO. And he now says that El Niño events cause global warming…not that they’re caused by global warming. Here’s the kicker, Miriam. Dr. Trenberth has also written in at least two peer-reviewed papers that El Niños are fueled by sunlight.</i><br /><br />Bob has mixed up so many right and wrong notions in that short paragraph, including his warped notion that ENSO events cause global warming. Plus a straw man that someone might think that global warming causes ENSO. <br /><br />ENSO was around long before global warming and it doesn't cause global warming. Bob is either clueless or deliberately disinforming. Until I read that bit, I'd have just put his misrepresentation of science down cluelessness. That paragraph suggests it's a mixture of both - deliberate deception plus cluelessness.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-90747269776165131332014-10-06T12:32:47.846+11:002014-10-06T12:32:47.846+11:00Yeah, it was a strange article and an unsuccessful...Yeah, it was a strange article and an unsuccessful attempt to defend himself against my criticism. He seems to accept my explanation of the article itself. What he doesn't like is my critique of his article about the Swain article. (Bob also has a peculiar sense of humour.)<br /><br />His main arguments reflect my critique above. It consists largely of "SST" and "SST" and mumbles about "models".<br /><br />For example, Bob said the reason he didn't write about anything to do with the Swain paper itself, why he spent most of his article not talking about the ridge of high pressure in 2013-14 and not even about lack of rainfall over California, why he didn't mention geopotential height at all, but instead rambled on and on about SST over a very wide expanse for a different period of time, the period 1989-2012, was because:<br /><br /><i>"I assumed when writing it that the readers at my blog and at WattsUpWithThat were knowledgeable enough of climate and weather to understand that the oceans and atmosphere above it are coupled, meaning they interact with one another; they’re interrelated. That is, a change in one impacts the other, and that it’s difficult at best to determine which is the ultimate driver in any given situation."</i><br /><br />Huh? <br /><br />Then he decided that his very large area over which he averaged his SSTs wasn't all that much different in size to the "blob" of extra warm SST's that Swain14 talked about. It is. <br /><br />Then he acknowledges that it is a much larger area but argues that it wasn't always there. That is, it wasn't there before the drought hit. And I apparently should have made much of the fact that it wasn't there before it became relevant to Swain14.<br /><br />Huh? (again)<br /><br />Then he tries a further justification by arguing that models are useless. He's wrong (as I explained in my article.) He doesn't understand climate models. And he doesn't understand how they were used by Swain14. <br /><br />But the crowd fall for it. They don't understand it but they think he is very clever (and witty) and anyway that Sou person...Which is the only thing that almost every commenter goes on to talk about. Who cares about Swain14 after all? Bob's given them a much more interesting subject to discuss. What fun!<br /><br />I don't think Bob Tisdale has ever had anything like this number of comments to any of his articles. <a href="https://archive.today/v4hVz" rel="nofollow">Currently standing</a> at 211. Usually they bore the pants off WUWT readers and he'll attract about 20 comments. Maybe 50 if it's a slow day at WUWT.<br /><br />I hear he's thinking of quitting ENSO articles and starting a gossip column :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-79259313335859818942014-10-06T12:17:51.897+11:002014-10-06T12:17:51.897+11:00Joe writes, "So, somehow in Bob's mind, D...Joe writes, "So, somehow in Bob's mind, DECREASING solar radiation for the past 35 or more years is leading to MORE POWERFUL ENSOs that are driving global temps higher."<br /><br />Looks like you've never read any of Tisdale's posts. So you just make stuff up. Are your aware that there are scientific studies that show that downward shortwave radiation at the surface of parts of the equator in the pacific varies on the order of +/- 40 watts per square meter in response to ENSO? That's a swing of 80 watts per square meter and you're worried about a 1 watt per square meter change from solar max to solar min? It's you who does not understand the law of energy conservation with respect to ENSO, plain and simple.<br /><br />LongIslandSound71Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-56728627234655949702014-10-06T11:41:23.924+11:002014-10-06T11:41:23.924+11:00Had a look at Bob's "article," if yo...Had a look at Bob's "article," if you want to call it that. The most painful part was having to go through the whole (long) thing to get to the very end where he attempts to answer the question of how ENSOs drive global warming. First, he makes it clear that he really believes ENSOs are doing it on their own. Then, for the first time (at least that I've noticed), he seems to indicate that he has a mechanism for what in turn drives ENSOs. He says, "Here’s the kicker, Miriam. Dr. Trenberth has also written in at least two peer-reviewed papers that El Niños are fueled by sunlight." So, somehow in Bob's mind, DECREASING solar radiation for the past 35 or more years is leading to MORE POWERFUL ENSOs that are driving global temps higher. Thus, I must end this post with a comment I make on almost every one of your Tisdale posts...<br /><br />Bob doesn't understand the law of energy conservation, plain and simple.Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-25261018681875012032014-10-06T06:31:41.538+11:002014-10-06T06:31:41.538+11:00Really ironic how they can claim that misogyny sho...Really ironic how they can claim that misogyny should not be linked to climate denial personalities when posting in a forum that has several misogynistic statements. Jammy Dodgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-36677166737748457322014-10-06T06:22:46.819+11:002014-10-06T06:22:46.819+11:00For other people who may think I over-interpreted ...For other people who may think I over-interpreted Bob's clumsy defence of Anthony's silly headline complaining that Swain et al didn't write about ENSO and El Nino:<br /><br /><i>"That was exactly Anthony’s point. If El Niños “often bring rains to California”, and there hasn’t been an El Niño since the one in 2009/10, one might think the absence of El Niños may have exacerbated the drought.</i><br /><br />One might have gone further than that. If there'd been an El Nino there probably wouldn't have been the Triple R, so the drought would most likely have ended. It's a dumb and meaningless comment. Just a weak attempt by Bob to defend his idol.<br /><br />I take it by Brian's lack of commentary on the WUWT comments, that he gives tacit approval. Interesting.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-71986580134478382982014-10-06T06:10:34.479+11:002014-10-06T06:10:34.479+11:00"Strangely, or perhaps not so strangely given..."Strangely, or perhaps not so strangely given ENSO is his main area of interest, he seems to think it's quite reasonable to think that it only rains in California during an El Nino."<br /><br />He never made such a claim. You are just dishonest.Brian Mackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10186974009384447015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-68828860401689006352014-10-06T04:38:52.713+11:002014-10-06T04:38:52.713+11:00Yeah, I took another peep. Some comments are worth...Yeah, I took another peep. Some comments are worth a giggle - eg the weird (and wrong) <a href="https://archive.today/y5NdG#selection-5969.1-5969.216" rel="nofollow">conspiracy theories</a>. Some a groan. Like <a href="https://archive.today/y5NdG#selection-6439.0-6465.198" rel="nofollow">Bob's misrepresentation</a> of <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/10/wuwt-is-going-through-dry-patch-plus.html" rel="nofollow">today's article</a>.<br /><br />In case anyone is curious, <a href="https://archive.today/y5NdG#selection-4423.0-4477.24" rel="nofollow">this is a sample</a> of what passes for science at WUWT. (Was it only a day or so ago that <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/10/broken-promise-and-how-anthony-watts-is.html" rel="nofollow">Anthony Watts made noises</a> about cleaning up his blog?)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-40947295703488111632014-10-06T00:48:39.457+11:002014-10-06T00:48:39.457+11:00I giggled at the comment that your role was to dri...I giggled at the comment that your role was to drive people towards the skeptic's (sic) blogs. Hasn't worked for me.Catmandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313870265499015076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35684589368313301542014-10-05T23:32:42.243+11:002014-10-05T23:32:42.243+11:00Looks as if this article got the privacy-respectin...Looks as if this article got the <a href="https://archive.today/yFtUi#selection-1143.0-1167.7" rel="nofollow">privacy-respecting</a> "Bob Tisdale" a bit upset. He stayed up all night to write a <a href="https://archive.today/rc2HT" rel="nofollow">very longwinded</a> and somewhat garbled article trying to justify his own article and that of his patron (which I discussed above). I think he was trying to argue that he's cleverer than his articles suggest.<br /><br />As usual, it's got lots and lots of pictures of sea surface temperature - again.<br /><br />Strangely, or perhaps not so strangely given ENSO is his main area of interest, he seems to think it's quite reasonable to think that it only rains in California during an El Nino. Kind of like he views all of climate in terms of his KNMI charts of sea surface temperature. Or that global warming is caused by El Nino.<br /><br />"If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail."<br /><br />PS I don't think he mentioned Anthony's sudden love of tree rings, though he did attract a <a href="https://archive.today/rc2HT#selection-2471.0-2497.207" rel="nofollow">sexist comment</a> almost immediately :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53688726311875237882014-10-05T00:29:34.629+10:002014-10-05T00:29:34.629+10:00One thing I love about "there were worse drou...One thing I love about "there were worse droughts 800 years ago" is that the very same people like to bray about the MWP... 800 years ago.numerobisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-20900023746642065392014-10-04T16:07:38.008+10:002014-10-04T16:07:38.008+10:00I am exhausted by your detail and precision Sou. E...I am exhausted by your detail and precision Sou. Excellent work. <br /><br />I'm going to lie down for a bit.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807913317731807617noreply@blogger.com