tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post6602966537961963120..comments2024-03-25T05:30:23.847+11:00Comments on HotWhopper: European temperature at WUWT - Finland, the UK, teleconnections and moreSouhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-21962477622038636522014-12-30T18:02:10.825+11:002014-12-30T18:02:10.825+11:00Well spotted, Kevin :)Well spotted, Kevin :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-57443673375785089652014-12-30T13:19:48.981+11:002014-12-30T13:19:48.981+11:00Does Homewood think that sunshine hours have incre...Does Homewood think that sunshine hours have increased pre-dawn, or did I miss the part where he explained <a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/actualmonthly/17/Tmin/UK.gif" rel="nofollow">the rise in minimum temperatures</a>?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11255466542968249065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-53292830408345510432014-12-30T04:06:33.069+11:002014-12-30T04:06:33.069+11:00Paul "I may be wrong here" Homewood. He...Paul "I may be wrong here" Homewood. He named himself!Rattus Norvegicushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03449457204330125792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-8216552235886240392014-12-30T03:49:26.706+11:002014-12-30T03:49:26.706+11:00Tonyb, good point. It is hard to study running ani...Tonyb, good point. It is hard to study running animations, but <a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/12/european-temperature-at-wuwt-finland-uk.html" rel="nofollow">the plot of Sou above</a> suggests that the increase in sun shine was especially in winter and spring. Thus one may expect a cooling, rather than a warming.<br /><br />One should remember that even when a sunny winter day feels warm to a human due to the sun, the thermometer measures the air temperature and is therefore shielded from the sun. Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91160554812453728502014-12-30T03:07:18.527+11:002014-12-30T03:07:18.527+11:00Victor
You are correct with regards to sun shine ...Victor<br /><br />You are correct with regards to sun shine recorders. I live on the South Coast of England near a minor sea side resort which has friendly competition with a much larger resort on the coast a few miles away. <br /><br />Around 8 or 10 years ago the larger resort suddenly became very much sunnier than ours. <br /><br />It turned out they had invested in the latest sunshine recorders so information could be sent digitally to the Met Office. Our own resort stuck with the old fashioned type.<br /><br />It seems the new type was very much more sensitive than the old one and this manifested itself most specifically when we had a day which the Met Office euphemistically called 'bright.' <br /><br />The British probably have as many words for degrees of cloudiness as the Inuit are supposed to have for snow,<br /><br />In this case 'bright' meant that the sky was overcast, but the position of the sun could be discerned, making that portion of the sky bright but not sunny.(we have many 'bright' days)<br /><br /><br />So on a bright day our resort might measure nothing more than an hour of sunlight when the sun was strongest, whereas our neighbouring resorts equipment read it as up to 8 hours of sunshine.<br /><br />I am sure it was eventually noticed and what effect, if any, changes of equipment had on official UK sunshine hours I don't know, but more sunshine is a double edged sword in the UK. <br /><br />In winter a sunny day is often cold and without clouds the nights are invariably frosty. Even in summer a warm sunny day is likely to end up as a pretty cool night.<br /><br />So I'm not sure if more sun hours is happening (I suspect they are) but if so whether that results in net warming, net cooling or stasis.<br /><br />tonybtonybhttp://climatereason.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-87348908626443149182014-12-30T02:06:07.046+11:002014-12-30T02:06:07.046+11:00Indeed - the consilience of evidence from multiple...Indeed - the consilience of evidence from multiple instruments is the most reliable indication of what the airplane is doing. Just as with climate science. Cherry-picking a single indicator and ignoring the rest is a dangerous and sometimes fatal error, which can lead you to fly into the cumulo-granite clouds. KRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-17860260757035646672014-12-29T22:46:02.710+11:002014-12-29T22:46:02.710+11:00In the UK we also get 'sunny spells', whic...In the UK we also get 'sunny spells', which sounds so much nicer than 'mostly dull' :)Cugelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-80161763858584124502014-12-29T20:42:37.921+11:002014-12-29T20:42:37.921+11:00Some of us in Holland began calling it 'The Ne...Some of us in Holland began calling it 'The New Climate' by the beginning of this century, variously considered to have begun in either April or October 1987. This 'step' was noticed by us too. <br />By 2006 a rise over the step, 2006 and 2007 the hottest years in our record. Until, of course, 2014, which is obliterating 2006 and 2007.cRR Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07571285063752477448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-2561387767179690152014-12-29T15:22:32.524+11:002014-12-29T15:22:32.524+11:00I deliberately left out the airspeed indicator. Th...I deliberately left out the airspeed indicator. This is not important as long as the other instruments are indicating as I said. The airspeed will look after itself if all other control settings are correct. <br /><br />When you have lost control the airspeed will increase markedly. Airspeed is not as important as rate of descent. When you hit the hard deck at a high rate of vertical descent you will be dead!<br /><br />At this stage a denialist will turn up to tell me I don't know nuffin about flying. <br /><br />Bert<br /><br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-48452253110534744042014-12-29T13:47:57.572+11:002014-12-29T13:47:57.572+11:00If you are flying a basic light aircraft and your ...If you are flying a basic light aircraft and your altimeter is constant, your engine revs are constant for a fixed throttle setting and your heading is constant then you are flying straight and level. Even in a cloud!<br />There are other instruments such as the artificial horizon and this also should tell you that you are straight and level. There is also a rate of decent meter and a slip meter . <br />The trick is to cross correlate all these instruments when you fly in cloud to know what is happening.<br />When you turn or descend or climb or a combination of any. This is where it gets very tricky.<br />Most loss of control in non visual conditions is when the pilot fails to cross correlate ALL instruments. Relying on only one instrument can send the aircraft into a deadly spiral decent.<br />Our planet Earth has a few natural instruments to tell us what it is doing.<br />Here are a few.<br />Melting Arctic sea ice.<br />Loss of ice from Greenland and Antarctica.<br />Receding glaciers.<br />I can go on and on. <br /><br />Bert<br />Bert from Elthamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-91900510165852076172014-12-29T13:47:00.358+11:002014-12-29T13:47:00.358+11:00Thanks, SJW. December will bring it back to a more...Thanks, SJW. December will bring it back to a more reasonable record high temperature :)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-4094732308547118772014-12-29T12:42:10.679+11:002014-12-29T12:42:10.679+11:00The CET for 2014 is certainly going to be a record...The CET for 2014 is certainly going to be a record, but it's not going to be as big a jump as 0.6C. <br /><br />The anomaly to the end of November was 1.54C, and up to the 27th December is provisionally 1.5C and will probably finish a little below this once the final figures are in. The 2006 anomaly was 1.36C, so its probably going to beat the record by around 0.1C. (All figures relative to the 1961 - 1990 average).<br /><br />The current provisional figures can be seen <a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a>SJWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-7910905750671121712014-12-29T11:45:34.791+11:002014-12-29T11:45:34.791+11:00Re compasses: I got stuck in fog once in the Mour...Re compasses: I got stuck in fog once in the Mourne mountains in Ireland. Having to rely on map and compass, I convinced myself that the way I wanted to go was preferable to the way my compass said I should go. <br /><br />I even convinced myself, without evidence, that my compass was reading 180 degrees false, probably because of iron deposits in the exposed granite that was all around me.... pretty dum. I was quite young.<br /><br />Luckily the clouds lifted just long enough for me to see the sheer drop and the reservoir laid out before me - exactly where the map and compass said they ought to be. We don't have to be slaves to instruments, but we're very unwise to just ignore them. David Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13842200092197524120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-41984966705083462692014-12-29T09:47:21.303+11:002014-12-29T09:47:21.303+11:00:) It is really surprising that living in such a h...:) It is really surprising that living in such a hot climate, you have such a government. At least for human comfort a degree more in Finland is more pleasant than in Australia.<br /><br />Having grown up in the same UK climate, I would say the order is: sunny, partly cloudy (some clouds in a sunny sky), partly sunny (some holes in the clouds), cloudy.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-67012387719012566922014-12-29T07:44:07.455+11:002014-12-29T07:44:07.455+11:00Thanks for that insight, Victor.
While we're...Thanks for that insight, Victor. <br /><br />While we're on the subject, I remember being amused when in the UK, the weather announcers talked of it being "partly sunny". Here we would never get that. Sunshine is assumed as the norm, but it may be "partly cloudy" or even "overcast" :DSouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52602871122160503912014-12-29T07:13:40.703+11:002014-12-29T07:13:40.703+11:00One should probably interpret the sun shine during...One should probably interpret the sun shine during data with some care. It has extremely strong non-climatic changes. In the past it was measured using a glass ball, which burned a piece of paper when the sun shines. One cloud hole every 15 minutes is sufficient to give the same impression as 15 minutes of just sun on such a piece of paper. Nowadays the solar radiation is measured directly, often a higher temporal resolutions and some threshold is set, that is interpreted as sunny. Furthermore, any change in the horizon (buildings, vegetation and thus relocations) are important.<br /><br />Furthermore it is difficult to remove non-climatic changes (homogenized) from this data because sun shine duration varies strongly from station to station (more than temperature) and there are normally less stations. Thus comparing with neighboring stations is more difficult. I do not know what the situation is in the UK, but sun shine duration is not high on the priority list and unfortunately often not homogenized.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-23573694203429884282014-12-29T07:01:39.573+11:002014-12-29T07:01:39.573+11:00Yes, it is quite a jump. Sounds like a nice analys...Yes, it is quite a jump. Sounds like a nice analysis. Just for the fun of it, no idea what you would learn from it.Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-35523986426364965652014-12-29T04:11:07.186+11:002014-12-29T04:11:07.186+11:00That is very true, Victor. Just the same, it looks...That is very true, Victor. Just the same, it looks very impressive on a chart. If the average *annual* temperature where I live was more than half a degree Celsius above the highest previous recorded for a year, I would be thinking it was quite a hot year. One might even be tempted to say "unprecedented" :) - for my town.<br /><br />(I just looked up Melbourne, and the hottest year on record was 2007, which was hotter than the previous hottest (2005) by 0.4C. I didn't look to see if any previous record was more than 0.5C above any prior, but surely it would be unusual for that to occur - except maybe in the Arctic. I dunno.)Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-70144528271826559962014-12-29T04:01:26.445+11:002014-12-29T04:01:26.445+11:00Millicent
You missed the cherry on the cake. The ...Millicent<br /><br />You missed the cherry on the cake. The government is still quietly trying to <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/aug/22/air-pollution-monitoring-stations-shut" rel="nofollow">get rid of the air quality monitoring network</a>. To paraphrase Uncle Stalin: no data, no problem. <br /><br />BBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687930416706386215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-52607472557904641442014-12-29T03:58:20.494+11:002014-12-29T03:58:20.494+11:00The CET time series is very interesting because it...The CET time series is very interesting because it is so long, but it is representative for a very small region, not much more than a station. Thus you can easily get large outliers to any side. I would not emphasis that too much. Victor Venemahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842816166712285801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-83773156767996257552014-12-29T03:11:52.306+11:002014-12-29T03:11:52.306+11:00Its about to get a whole lot worse too: the Tories...Its about to get a whole lot worse too: the Tories (thats the party of corporate shills masquerading as right wingers in the UK) have announced a new program of road building that is expected to increase road traffic and thereby increase pollution further.<br /><br />"Many, many government reports have said exactly the same thing – it encourages more traffic, it causes air pollution and of course it causes severe loss to the countryside.”<br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/01/nick-clegg-lib-dems-conservatives-road-building-programme<br /><br />And to add to that, the clueless numpties that make up the greater part of the UK population are trashing all that nasty green vegetation in their gardens that (apart from lung tissue) soaks up air pollution and also alleviates flooding.<br /><br />"More than half of respondents said the main reason for paving over a garden is to create a patio, while nearly a third said it was to build a parking space. Thirty per cent wanted to cut garden maintenance."<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/property/gardening/paved-gardens-massively-increase-risk-of-flooding-in-your-neighbourhood-9945596.html<br /><br />The UK really is a no hope zone.Millicentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-37772892762799956542014-12-29T02:53:29.875+11:002014-12-29T02:53:29.875+11:00Oops - correct that - the previous record was 2006...Oops - correct that - the previous record was 2006, at 1.4C above the 1951-1980 mean - so it's 0.6C above, not 0.7C. Still a huge amount.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-38972088121240331972014-12-29T02:43:45.420+11:002014-12-29T02:43:45.420+11:00That sounds about right, Harry. On the data I got ...That sounds about right, Harry. On the data I got - to November 2014, the annual mean is 2.0C above the 1951-1980 average and 1.9C above the 1961-1990 average. Huge! If that holds, it will beat the previous record high year (2011) by a whopping 0.7C. That's in the entire record going back to 1659.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-9825701549291329802014-12-29T02:25:28.910+11:002014-12-29T02:25:28.910+11:00HadCET - I have seen estimates of 1.5-2.0C above t...HadCET - I have seen estimates of 1.5-2.0C above the 1961-1990 baseline for 2014.<br /><br />Yes probably prudent to wait for the final number in case it gets revised. Although it could be the "lazy Jetstream" effect some are talking about.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11552461190113661645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2313427464944392482.post-59751510204642581462014-12-29T02:09:45.026+11:002014-12-29T02:09:45.026+11:00Is that right, Millicent. I must admit I was flabb...Is that right, Millicent. I must admit I was flabbergasted by the number of cars in England when I was there a few years ago - compared to the 1970s, which was the previous time I visited. It seemed as if it changed from one car per 1000 households to 10 cars per household :) (Don't quote me!)<br /><br />The motorways were chock-a-block bumper to bumper even on the weekend - and way out in the countryside.Souhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08818999735123752034noreply@blogger.com